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  • Extra Innings
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-26-10
    • 15058

    #1
    California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs
    Jokes on us or at least the 5% who actually have a full-time job on this board



    Times review finds that in more than half of the state's casinos and gaming rooms, welfare recipients can get cash from state-issued EBT cards. Officials say they're moving to block such transactions. Reporting from Sacramento — California welfare recipients are able to use state-issued debit cards to withdraw cash on gaming floors in more than half of the casinos in the state, a Los Angeles Times review of records found.

    The cards, provided by the Department of Social Services to help recipients feed and clothe their families, work in automated teller machines at 32 of 58 tribal casinos and 47 of 90 state-licensed poker rooms, the review found.

    State officials said Wednesday they were working to determine how much money had been withdrawn from casino ATMs by people using the welfare debit cards.

    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who learned of the issue when asked to comment for this story, promised to take immediate action.

    "We have instructed our vendors to prohibit these cards from being accepted at ATMs located in casinos and card rooms," Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear said Wednesday. "It is reprehensible that anyone would use taxpayer money for anything other than its intended purpose."

    Administration officials said the social services agency contracts with a private ATM network to handle the electronic transfer of benefits to people on welfare, and hadn't noticed that the taxpayer money was being withdrawn at gambling establishments.

    McLear said the system of paying out welfare benefits via bank cards was created under Schwarzenegger's predecessor, Democrat Gray Davis. Since the late 1990s most states have adopted this system, which is a viewed as a more efficient way of distributing and tracking government aid.

    Schwarzenegger has been wrangling with lawmakers over other efforts to combat waste and fraud in the state's social services programs. He fought back a legislative effort to discontinue fingerprinting of food stamp recipients, a system designed to prevent double-dipping and other abuses.

    Casino ATMs account for a handful of the thousands of machines in the contractor's network, and the amount withdrawn from them by welfare recipients almost certainly would comprise a tiny fraction of the state's multibillion-dollar welfare spending. But the issue is likely to come up as lawmakers fight over how best to close their historic budget deficit.

    Schwarzenegger had already threatened to eliminate the state welfare program in his May budget proposal, and that was before he and his Republican allies in the Legislature knew that the cash could be accessed by people strolling from poker games to blackjack tables.

    "In a time when we have a $19-billion deficit, and we're taking a serious look at the future of many safety-net programs, it's appalling to think that welfare beneficiaries can use their cards in a casino," said Seth Unger, spokesman for the Assembly Republican Caucus.

    Democratic leaders, who have vowed to protect the state's fraying social safety net, also began calling for reform Wednesday.

    "In these tough times, when so many children and vulnerable families depend on the safety net, we have to make sure food stamps and other services are being used the way the people of California intended them to be," said Shannon Murphy, spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez (D- Los Angeles). "Other states have closed this loophole, and the Assembly will work with the Schwarzenegger administration to make that happen."

    The casinos are listed on a Department of Social Services website that allows welfare recipients to search for addresses of ATMs where they can withdraw cash provided under the Temporary Aid for Needy Families program. The monthly grant ranges up to $694; most of the ATMs impose a withdrawal limit of about $300 per day.

    The Times compared the addresses on that website with lists of tribal casinos and state-licensed poker rooms published on the California Gambling Control Commission's website.

    It's not clear which casinos are most frequently patronized by welfare recipients because social services officials denied a January request from The Times for data showing transaction information from all of the ATMs in their network. Department lawyers argued that federal law prohibits the state from releasing financial information about merchants who accept cards issued to welfare recipients.

    Those cards, known as Electronic Benefit Transfer cards, look and work just like ordinary debit cards. They allow welfare recipients to access two accounts: the cash offered so needy parents can provide a home for their children while they train for better jobs, and an electronic version of food stamps that comes with rules governing where and how the benefits can be spent.

    The cash benefits, however, can be withdrawn and spent just about anywhere.

    The Capitol Casino, which occupies a pair of small rooms a few blocks from the legislative chambers in Sacramento, appears on the social services website showing where clients can get money. Each room has an ATM: one is so close to a poker table that a player with long arms could lean back and withdraw cash without leaving his chair; the other is a few steps from the blackjack table.

    At the Casino Royale on the outskirts of Sacramento, the first thing patrons pass as they walk to the gaming floor is the ATM with a sign next to it saying, "Exceed your ATM daily limit here!!"

    Faye Stearns, a part-owner of Casino Royale, said she had no idea people on welfare could withdraw taxpayer dollars from the machine, and would not oppose a measure to prohibit it.

    "I'm sure we wouldn't want to be taking money from children," Stearns said. "The adults? Hey, that's their problem. But kids? No."

    The cash portion of California's welfare benefits comes from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Each year, California gets $3.7 billion from the federal government for the program, while state and local governments kick in an additional $2.9 billion.

    The state of New Mexico and at least one company that supplies ATMs to the gaming industry have already taken steps to make sure their machines in casinos reject welfare benefits cards.

    "I think it makes social sense," said John Monforte, executive director of the New Mexico Gaming Control Board. "There's a balance with gaming. There are wonderful things [casinos] do for tribal governments, but the reality is there are also negative social impacts."

    Global Cash Access, a Las Vegas firm that provides ATMs and other equipment for more than 1,000 casinos in the United States, started programming their machines to reject welfare cards more than a decade ago.

    "Unless a state tells us to allow access to their EBT cards, we will continue to block these cards from being accepted at our devices," said Katie Lever, the firm's general counsel. "It's really easy to do."

    jack.dolan@latimes.com

    Times staff writer Evan Halper in Sacramento contributed to this report.
    Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times
  • teaserpleaser
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 08-14-08
    • 26015

    #2
    didnt they end welfare some years back?
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    • ronjon619
      SBR MVP
      • 09-06-09
      • 3675

      #3
      have you seen some of the fees at the casino atms?
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      • Chi_archie
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-22-08
        • 63172

        #4
        fukin unreal
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        • Doc JS
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-15-06
          • 6885

          #5
          That is fvcking hilarious !!!!

          Doc
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          • Extra Innings
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-26-10
            • 15058

            #6
            Originally posted by Chi_archie
            fukin unreal
            We are doing something wrong...getting into a Walmart at the end of the month...you would think they were giving TV's away for free...wait...they are
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            • Extra Innings
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-26-10
              • 15058

              #7


              NATION
              Investigator: 1,300 inmates got homebuyer tax credits
              6/23/10 | 12 comments
              By Stephen Ohlemacher
              The Associated Press
              WASHINGTON — Nearly 1,300 prison inmates wrongly received more than $9 million in tax credits for homebuyers despite being locked up when they claimed they bought a home, a government investigator reported Wednesday.

              The investigator said 241 of the inmates were serving life sentences.

              In all, more than 14,100 taxpayers wrongly received at least $26.7 million in tax credits that were meant to boost the nation's slumping housing markets, said the report by J. Russell George, the Treasury Department's inspector general for tax administration.

              Some taxpayers received the credit for homes purchased before the tax break was started. In other cases, multiple taxpayers improperly used the same home to claim multiple credits. Investigators found one home that was used by 67 taxpayers to claim credits.

              "This is very troubling," George said. "Congress created and modified the homebuyer credit to stimulate the economy and help taxpayers achieve the American dream, not to line the pockets of wrongdoers."

              The Internal Revenue Service says it is taking steps to get the money back. The agency noted that more than 2.6 million taxpayers claimed the tax credit through April — claiming $18.7 billion in credits — with only a tiny fraction going to prison inmates or other scofflaws.

              "A very small number of payments were made to prisoners incorrectly, which the IRS is now taking all steps to recapture and to prevent going forward," the IRS said in a statement. "The IRS will follow up on every instance of an improper prisoner payment and take swift and appropriate enforcement actions."

              The report blemishes an otherwise popular tax break that was sweetened once by President Barack Obama's economic recovery package and again when Congress extended it into the spring. The National Association of Realtors says the tax credit has generated 1 million new home sales that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

              "Last year, we learned that children and persons who did not purchase homes were fraudulently claiming the first-time homebuyer credit," said Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., chairman of the House Ways and Means oversight subcommittee. "Although I am pleased that the fraud identified earlier does not continue, I am concerned about prisoners claiming the credit."

              Congress started the first-time homebuyer tax credit in 2008, providing couples up to $7,500 that had to be repaid, free of interest, over 15 years. The credit was essentially an interest-free loan.

              Last year, Obama and Congress upgraded the credit significantly, increasing the top amount to $8,000 and ending the requirement that it be repaid.

              George's report targets taxpayers who claimed the first-time homebuyers tax credit under these two programs. Since then, in November, Congress expanded the tax credit to existing homeowners, offering up to $6,500 to longtime owners who bought new homes.

              The latest program is about to expire. Homebuyers had to sign purchase agreements by April 30 and close by June 30, though there is a movement in Congress to extend the closing deadline until Sept. 30.

              The IRS said it has aggressively enforced the tax credit, blocking nearly 400,000 questionable claims and opening more than 150 criminal investigations.

              "These aggressive efforts have saved taxpayers more than $1 billion," the IRS said in its statement.

              Nevertheless, 1,295 prison inmates were able to get $9.1 million in credits, in part because the IRS does not keep up-to-date records of who is in prison, the IG's report said. None of the inmates filed joint returns, so the claims could not have been for purchases by spouses.

              The IRS said that while many prisons voluntarily provide information about inmates, they are not required to do so.

              "When IRS has reliable data, we do a very effective job of using it to ensure compliance," IRS spokesman Frank Keith said. "When IRS does not have reliable data, it is a much more difficult process for us."

              The IRS is asking Congress to enact legislation to ensure that the agency gets up-to-date inmate information, Keith said. In the meantime, the IRS plans to reach out to local, state and federal prison officials to start a task force to improve information-sharing on inmates.

              The IG report estimates that 2,555 taxpayers wrongly received $17.6 million in tax credits for homes that were bought before the credit was enacted.

              An estimated 10,282 taxpayers wrongly received credits for homes that were also used by other taxpayers to claim the credit. Investigators were unable to quantify the amount of money they received, "but all indications are that the total will be in the tens of millions of dollars," the IG's office said in a statement.

              Investigators also found 87 IRS employees who may have improperly claimed the credit, though the review was ongoing.
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              • Doug
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-10-05
                • 6324

                #8
                It really isn't that big of a deal. If you give the Welfare people some of the money in cash instead of food stamps, then they will take that cash and buy drugs, cigs, booze, gamble, etc. with it.

                What's the diff if Laquesha hits the bank ATM or one inside the casino ?
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                • 2daBank
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 01-26-09
                  • 88966

                  #9
                  like doug said, whats it matter really? just because they have to go across the street to get the money instead of right in the casino isnt gonna change anything, except maybe they get a few more bucks to play with because the transfer fees in casino's are fukkin crazy, almost as bad as strip clubs
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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388179

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Extra Innings
                    Jokes on us or at least the 5% who actually have a full-time job on this board



                    Times review finds that in more than half of the state's casinos and gaming rooms, welfare recipients can get cash from state-issued EBT cards. Officials say they're moving to block such transactions. Reporting from Sacramento — California welfare recipients are able to use state-issued debit cards to withdraw cash on gaming floors in more than half of the casinos in the state, a Los Angeles Times review of records found.

                    The cards, provided by the Department of Social Services to help recipients feed and clothe their families, work in automated teller machines at 32 of 58 tribal casinos and 47 of 90 state-licensed poker rooms, the review found.

                    State officials said Wednesday they were working to determine how much money had been withdrawn from casino ATMs by people using the welfare debit cards.

                    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who learned of the issue when asked to comment for this story, promised to take immediate action.

                    "We have instructed our vendors to prohibit these cards from being accepted at ATMs located in casinos and card rooms," Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear said Wednesday. "It is reprehensible that anyone would use taxpayer money for anything other than its intended purpose."

                    Administration officials said the social services agency contracts with a private ATM network to handle the electronic transfer of benefits to people on welfare, and hadn't noticed that the taxpayer money was being withdrawn at gambling establishments.

                    McLear said the system of paying out welfare benefits via bank cards was created under Schwarzenegger's predecessor, Democrat Gray Davis. Since the late 1990s most states have adopted this system, which is a viewed as a more efficient way of distributing and tracking government aid.

                    Schwarzenegger has been wrangling with lawmakers over other efforts to combat waste and fraud in the state's social services programs. He fought back a legislative effort to discontinue fingerprinting of food stamp recipients, a system designed to prevent double-dipping and other abuses.

                    Casino ATMs account for a handful of the thousands of machines in the contractor's network, and the amount withdrawn from them by welfare recipients almost certainly would comprise a tiny fraction of the state's multibillion-dollar welfare spending. But the issue is likely to come up as lawmakers fight over how best to close their historic budget deficit.

                    Schwarzenegger had already threatened to eliminate the state welfare program in his May budget proposal, and that was before he and his Republican allies in the Legislature knew that the cash could be accessed by people strolling from poker games to blackjack tables.

                    "In a time when we have a $19-billion deficit, and we're taking a serious look at the future of many safety-net programs, it's appalling to think that welfare beneficiaries can use their cards in a casino," said Seth Unger, spokesman for the Assembly Republican Caucus.

                    Democratic leaders, who have vowed to protect the state's fraying social safety net, also began calling for reform Wednesday.

                    "In these tough times, when so many children and vulnerable families depend on the safety net, we have to make sure food stamps and other services are being used the way the people of California intended them to be," said Shannon Murphy, spokeswoman for Assembly Speaker John A. Pérez (D- Los Angeles). "Other states have closed this loophole, and the Assembly will work with the Schwarzenegger administration to make that happen."

                    The casinos are listed on a Department of Social Services website that allows welfare recipients to search for addresses of ATMs where they can withdraw cash provided under the Temporary Aid for Needy Families program. The monthly grant ranges up to $694; most of the ATMs impose a withdrawal limit of about $300 per day.

                    The Times compared the addresses on that website with lists of tribal casinos and state-licensed poker rooms published on the California Gambling Control Commission's website.

                    It's not clear which casinos are most frequently patronized by welfare recipients because social services officials denied a January request from The Times for data showing transaction information from all of the ATMs in their network. Department lawyers argued that federal law prohibits the state from releasing financial information about merchants who accept cards issued to welfare recipients.

                    Those cards, known as Electronic Benefit Transfer cards, look and work just like ordinary debit cards. They allow welfare recipients to access two accounts: the cash offered so needy parents can provide a home for their children while they train for better jobs, and an electronic version of food stamps that comes with rules governing where and how the benefits can be spent.

                    The cash benefits, however, can be withdrawn and spent just about anywhere.

                    The Capitol Casino, which occupies a pair of small rooms a few blocks from the legislative chambers in Sacramento, appears on the social services website showing where clients can get money. Each room has an ATM: one is so close to a poker table that a player with long arms could lean back and withdraw cash without leaving his chair; the other is a few steps from the blackjack table.

                    At the Casino Royale on the outskirts of Sacramento, the first thing patrons pass as they walk to the gaming floor is the ATM with a sign next to it saying, "Exceed your ATM daily limit here!!"

                    Faye Stearns, a part-owner of Casino Royale, said she had no idea people on welfare could withdraw taxpayer dollars from the machine, and would not oppose a measure to prohibit it.

                    "I'm sure we wouldn't want to be taking money from children," Stearns said. "The adults? Hey, that's their problem. But kids? No."

                    The cash portion of California's welfare benefits comes from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Each year, California gets $3.7 billion from the federal government for the program, while state and local governments kick in an additional $2.9 billion.

                    The state of New Mexico and at least one company that supplies ATMs to the gaming industry have already taken steps to make sure their machines in casinos reject welfare benefits cards.

                    "I think it makes social sense," said John Monforte, executive director of the New Mexico Gaming Control Board. "There's a balance with gaming. There are wonderful things [casinos] do for tribal governments, but the reality is there are also negative social impacts."

                    Global Cash Access, a Las Vegas firm that provides ATMs and other equipment for more than 1,000 casinos in the United States, started programming their machines to reject welfare cards more than a decade ago.

                    "Unless a state tells us to allow access to their EBT cards, we will continue to block these cards from being accepted at our devices," said Katie Lever, the firm's general counsel. "It's really easy to do."

                    jack.dolan@latimes.com

                    Times staff writer Evan Halper in Sacramento contributed to this report.
                    Copyright © 2010, The Los Angeles Times
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                    • jgiun1
                      SBR MVP
                      • 11-07-09
                      • 2559

                      #11
                      Think of this though........SBR is kinda like California.......We get welfare points that can be used to buy stuff or what the owners like, used into a casino and given back to the owner.
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                      • ttwarrior1
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 06-23-09
                        • 28460

                        #12
                        dont understand, who cares if its used at casino's,, if it was a regular check, u could just cash it and do what u want with it
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                        • Hankwins
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-17-10
                          • 2232

                          #13
                          people on welfare need a thrilla dn glimmer of hope too.
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                          • JerseyLove
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                            • 02-15-10
                            • 2183

                            #14
                            wow this is so bad its not even funny!
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