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  • imgv94
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    What Really Killed the Dinosaurs?
    Wow isn't it a trip that there used to be dinosaurs roming around?



    LiveScience.com
    Mon Nov 12, 7:55 AM ET



    Instead of being driven to extinction by death from above, dinosaurs might have ultimately been doomed by death from below in the form of monumental volcanic eruptions.

    The suggestion is based on new research that is part of a growing body of evidence indicating a space rock alone did not wipe out the giant reptiles.

    The Age of Dinosaurs ended roughly 65 million years ago with the K-T or Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event, which killed off all dinosaurs save those that became birds, as well as roughly half of all species on the planet, including pterosaurs. The prime suspect in this ancient murder mystery is an asteroid or comet impact, which left a vast crater at Chicxulub on the coast of Mexico.

    Another leading culprit is a series of colossal volcanic eruptions that occurred between 63 million to 67 million years ago. These created the gigantic Deccan Traps lava beds in India, whose original extent may have covered as much as 580,000 square miles (1.5 million square kilometers), or more than twice the area of Texas.

    Arguments over which disaster killed the dinosaurs often revolve around when each happened and whether extinctions followed. Previous work had only narrowed the timing of the Deccan eruptions to within 300,000 to 500,000 years of the extinction event.

    Now research suggests the mass extinction happened at or just after the biggest phase of the Deccan eruptions, which spewed 80 percent of the lava found at the Deccan Traps.

    "It's the first time we can directly link the main phase of the Deccan Traps to the mass extinction," said Princeton University paleontologist Gerta Keller.

    Clues in other life forms

    Keller and colleagues focused on marine fossils excavated at quarries at Rajahmundry, India, near the Bay of Bengal, about 600 miles (1,000 kilometers) southeast of the center of the Deccan Traps near Mumbai. Specifically, they looked at the remains of microscopic shell-forming organisms known as foraminifera.

    "Before the mass extinction, most of the foraminifera species were comparatively large, very flamboyant, very specialized, very ornate, with many chambers," Keller explained. These foraminifera were roughly 200 to 350 microns large, or a fifth to a third of a millimeter long.

    These showy foraminifera were very specialized for particular ecological niches.

    "When the environment changed, as it did around K-T, that prompted their extinction," she added. "The foraminifera that followed were extremely tiny, one-twentieth the size of the species before, with absolutely no ornamentation, just a few chambers." As such, these puny foraminifera serve as very distinct tags of when the K-T extinction event started.

    The researchers found these simple foraminifera seem to have popped up right after the main phase of the Deccan volcanism. This in turn hints these eruptions came immediately before the mass extinction, and might have caused it.

    Double trouble

    Both an impact from space and volcanic eruptions would have injected vast clouds of dust and other emissions into the sky, dramatically altering global climate and triggering die-offs. Keller's collaborator, volcanologist Vincent Courtillot at the Institute of Geophysics in Paris, noted upcoming work from her collaborators suggests the Deccan eruptions could have quickly released 10 times more climate-altering emissions than the nearly simultaneous Chicxulub impact.

    Keller stressed these findings do not deny that an impact occurred around the K-T boundary, and noted that one or possibly several impacts may have had a hand in the mass extinction. "The dinosaurs might have faced an unfortunate coincidence of a one-two punch—of Deccan volcanism and then a hit from space," she explained. "We just show the Deccan eruptions might have had a significant impact—no pun intended."

    Although paleontologist Kirk Johnson at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science called these new findings "significant," he noted a great deal of evidence connected a single massive impact with the K-T extinction event. He suggested that advances in radioisotope dating could now hone down when the Deccan eruptions occurred to within 30,000 to 65,000 years. "That could help put to bed some of the disputes regarding the issue," he said.

    Keller and her collaborator Thierry Adatte at the University of Neuchatel in Switzerland detailed their findings Oct. 31 at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America in Denver.



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  • Dark Horse
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    • 12-14-05
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    #2
    Maybe space aliens did it.

    65 millions years back?
    Scientists can hardly even predict tomorrow's weather.
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    • BigBollocks
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      I've got a deeper question than all of this. How is existence at all even possible? This question has perplexed me my entire life. If you really think about this one it will bug you forever. I think we're going to find out a lot of things upon death we don't want to know, and we might well spend eternity wishing for the life we have right now.
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      • Rollins08
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        #4
        65 million years from now some more advanced species will be trying to figure out what killed us.
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        • swifty
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          #5
          Originally posted by BigBollocks
          I've got a deeper question than all of this. How is existence at all even possible? This question has perplexed me my entire life. If you really think about this one it will bug you forever. I think we're going to find out a lot of things upon death we don't want to know, and we might well spend eternity wishing for the life we have right now.
          I agree with you. what is after you dead..
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          • Dark Horse
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            #6
            Originally posted by BigBollocks
            I've got a deeper question than all of this. How is existence at all even possible? This question has perplexed me my entire life. If you really think about this one it will bug you forever. I think we're going to find out a lot of things upon death we don't want to know, and we might well spend eternity wishing for the life we have right now.
            Sat-Chit-Ananda is a good place to start. Ever-existing, ever-conscious, ever-new bliss; the Hindu definition of the nature of the soul. All these existential questions were solved thousands of years ago by the yogis of India (a culture that preceded even ancient Egypt).

            The difference between traditions from that 'tree' and western religions is that the former are rooted in direct personal experience and perception, and the latter in blind dogma and belief. No need to believe a thing. In fact, I believe the destruction of beliefs is encouraged. lol.
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            • Art Vandeleigh
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              #7
              Originally posted by BigBollocks
              I've got a deeper question than all of this. How is existence at all even possible? This question has perplexed me my entire life. If you really think about this one it will bug you forever. I think we're going to find out a lot of things upon death we don't want to know, and we might well spend eternity wishing for the life we have right now.

              I think in order to understand how life self-organized out of ordinary chemicals on Mother Earth and became cells and then dinosaurs and later became people, you need to at least understand a few basics

              - Entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics), and how the energy from the sun can cause a decrease in entropy, i.e. the basis for self organization of molecules.

              - A moleclue known as ATP, which is the energy source for all living things

              - Enzymes. The process of life requires enzymes because the amount of chemistry that goes on in living things could never happen at a rate high enough to sustain life without them at the temperatures we live in.


              Good luck.

              By the way, even if researching these topics helps you understand life/existence better, it will not help you pick winners at a higher percentage.
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              • Willie Bee
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                • 02-14-06
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                #8
                Dinosaurs were invented by liberals who are out to undermine the truth as right wing Christians know it, that being the earth is but a few thousand years old and all life was created by God.

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                • ShamsWoof10
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rollins08
                  65 million years from now some more advanced species will be trying to figure out what killed us.
                  Sh*t I can answer that right now!!

                  It will be us who killed us!!!

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                  • Hugo Whacket
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                    • 03-30-06
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                    #10
                    What Really Killed the Dinosaurs?

                    my Girl ate 'em.
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                    • BigBollocks
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Art Vandeleigh
                      I think in order to understand how life self-organized out of ordinary chemicals on Mother Earth and became cells and then dinosaurs and later became people, you need to at least understand a few basics

                      - Entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics), and how the energy from the sun can cause a decrease in entropy, i.e. the basis for self organization of molecules.

                      - A moleclue known as ATP, which is the energy source for all living things

                      - Enzymes. The process of life requires enzymes because the amount of chemistry that goes on in living things could never happen at a rate high enough to sustain life without them at the temperatures we live in.


                      Good luck.

                      By the way, even if researching these topics helps you understand life/existence better, it will not help you pick winners at a higher percentage.


                      I'd definitely like a higher winning percentage out of all this, that's for sure

                      Nonetheless, I still don't see how you get something from nothing. I don't think the wildest trip out could even let us know how this is all possible. The only thing I can figure is that everything is one collective force that is nothing itself. I couldn't even write down how far my mind stretches when I think of how existence is even possible, but I stretch so far and eventually my head literally just starts to shake. There should just be nothing.
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                      • Doc JS
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                        • 09-15-06
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                        #12
                        What Really Killed the Dinosaurs?

                        Watching the 49'ers and Ravens on offense???

                        It damn near killed me this weekend!!!
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                        • vanman
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                          #13
                          Lack of food,they must have had huge bellys.
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                          • WileOut
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BigBollocks
                            I've got a deeper question than all of this. How is existence at all even possible? This question has perplexed me my entire life. If you really think about this one it will bug you forever. I think we're going to find out a lot of things upon death we don't want to know, and we might well spend eternity wishing for the life we have right now.
                            The fact is that every cell comes from another living cell. But where did the first cell come from? Where did the first energy come from to move the molecules? To me the only logical explanation is a God that can do things we cant comprehend. He can start that which cannot be started.

                            As for the dinosaurs, this is a very intersting topic. Who knows really. They say that crocodiles are from the dinosaur era. Therefore scientists need to look at why the crocodiles were left when just about everything else died. Maybe there lies the answer. It could have been a number of things. I wish I would have been born 1000 years later than I was. How many things will be known 1000 years from now?
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                            • rjt721
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                              • 02-06-07
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                              #15
                              Dinosaurs never existed. Just as Carl Everett.
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                              • louisvillekid
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                Dinosaurs were invented by liberals who are out to undermine the truth as right wing Christians know it, that being the earth is but a few thousand years old and all life was created by God.

                                hey Willie B, some crazy right wing church started some museum this past year somewhere here in Ky. it is some kind of higher power natural creation thing. they think everything is only 2000 years old.
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                                • Tchocky
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                                  #17
                                  I always remember that "Far Side" cartoon with all the dinosaurs smoking weed.
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                                  • louisvillekid
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                                    about what killed the dinosaurs. i say they ran out of food and shit themselves to death. as many as they(science guys) say there was and as big as they were, i would have to say the size of their shits were enormous, and the methane from them ate a hole in the ozone and killed all the plant life.

                                    also a new species was just found in Brazil, it is supposed to be the largest plant-eating one found, and the best preserved one found. just the neck bones(it is estimated to be about a 50-60 long neck) our around 9 tons.


                                    also if you want to relive your youth, go get a telescope and some friends and drop LSD and smoke some weed and stare at the stars and just see where that conversation takes you.

                                    qoute: AC/DC "who made who, who made you"
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                                    • imgv94
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                                      #19
                                      Wow some great responses guys. I am a member of a few forums but I gotta say the group right here @ SBR is my favorite. This thread proved my point.
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                                      • ShamsWoof10
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                                        #20
                                        I don't disagree there but some think only sports should be posted...

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                                        • imgv94
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                                          #21
                                          Fvck those guys.
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                                          • HedgeHog
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                            I don't disagree there but some think only sports should be posted...

                                            If you're not interested in the thread, why reply? You could read it and keep your opinion to yourself. Probably too tough for you. Personally, I enjoyed reading it.
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                                            • Doug
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                                              #23
                                              gyno : Just ask Wil, he might recall ?
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                                              • tacomax
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                                                I blame Sportsbook.com. They're seemingly stealing from everyone at the moment, I wouldn't put it past them to have stolen the dinosaur's food as well.
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                                                • atakdog
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                                                  #25
                                                  Just because cells come only from other cells in our experience, which really comprises only the couple hundred years during which we have been observing cells, does not mean that it has never happened otherwise during the several billion years of Earth's exstence, which have included the interaction of something along the lines of 10^40 carbon atoms, each 10^several times per second, times around 10^15 seconds. That's something like a trillion trillion trilion trillion trillion chances to create something interesting; to opine that only God could come up with something really good under such circumstances is to fail to appreciate the enormousless of these numbers.

                                                  Besides, the God explanation isn't an explanation of life's complexity, but rather a finessing of the question: if only an omnipotent super-being could have created life, haven't you actually made the question of where all this complexity ultimately comes from harder, not easier?
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                                                  • BrentCrude
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                                                    #26
                                                    Sidebar to who killed the dinasaurs and Al Gore's global warming tangent.

                                                    A real conundrum for Al Gore that I never heard even Gore haters like Limbaugh bring up to make Gore look like even more of a fraud than he already is.Mexicans and 3rd world people live very humble and meager lives where they come from where they don't have cars,don't have big houses,don't have to heat houses,don't eat processed foods and die at a younger age all having less impact on the environment.So conservative estimates are that 20-25 million illegals now live in the U.S.A.having cars,air conditioners,furnaces,houses etc.Isn't Gore a hypocrite for being pro illegal allien where he never ever addressed that problem?Wouldn't the environment dramatically be improved if we had 25 million less people living without U.S.A.standards and living back in the meager existance of 3rd world standards?

                                                    If Gore wants to find a solution to global warming and is serious about it he better damn well make sure the illegals go back home.What a hypocrite socialist fraud Gore is and that spoiled trust fund idiot achieved such high power in our public educated brain dead country.

                                                    Al's priority isn't stopping global warming,it's promoting the growth of socialism!
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                                                    • ShamsWoof10
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                      If you're not interested in the thread, why reply? You could read it and keep your opinion to yourself. Probably too tough for you. Personally, I enjoyed reading it.
                                                      I was making a snide comment... No one has likely posted more OT: stuff then myself and people "chime" in b*tching how it's a sports forum and yada yada....

                                                      I enjoyed the thread too and I think you understand where I was coming from now....

                                                      Originally posted by tacomax
                                                      I blame Sportsbook.com. They're seemingly stealing from everyone at the moment, I wouldn't put it past them to have stolen the dinosaur's food as well.
                                                      hahahaha... I like that one... That little boy must blew your brains out last night Taco..you're in a good mood today...

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                                                      • Vietbet
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                                                        #28
                                                        Never

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                                                        • ShamsWoof10
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by BrentCrude
                                                          A real conundrum for Al Gore that I never heard even Gore haters like Limbaugh bring up to make Gore look like even more of a fraud than he already is.Mexicans and 3rd world people live very humble and meager lives where they come from where they don't have cars,don't have big houses,don't have to heat houses,don't eat processed foods and die at a younger age all having less impact on the environment.So conservative estimates are that 20-25 million illegals now live in the U.S.A.having cars,air conditioners,furnaces,houses etc.Isn't Gore a hypocrite for being pro illegal allien where he never ever addressed that problem?Wouldn't the environment dramatically be improved if we had 25 million less people living without U.S.A.standards and living back in the meager existance of 3rd world standards?

                                                          If Gore wants to find a solution to global warming and is serious about it he better damn well make sure the illegals go back home.What a hypocrite socialist fraud Gore is and that spoiled trust fund idiot achieved such high power in our public educated brain dead country.

                                                          Al's priority isn't stopping global warming,it's promoting the growth of socialism!
                                                          ANOTHER F*CKIN' SOLID POST!!! This guy is on with a lot of sh*t... Excellent point and it's not because Gore is a fraud but what he is pushing is.... There is a differance... He is doing his job.. I believe his job is to support and drive certain agenda's through whether they are fake or real... That is his job!!!

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