Looking Seriously At Leaving US, Where Should I Go???

cobra_king · 11-09-07, 05:38 PM

BB

Didn't you live in Montreal for a while if i'm not mistaken? Why not back to there? As you know it's a great city and wouldn't be so foreign to you.

BigBollocks · 11-09-07, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by cobra_king

BB

Didn't you live in Montreal for a while if i'm not mistaken? Why not back to there? As you know it's a great city and wouldn't be so foreign to you.

Hey Cobra, I've thought about that as well. The only problem is that since Bill 101 was put into effect, the Montreal economy has gone to shit. All of the major corporations have left for the most part, and Toronto has long since become the most populous and booming city in Canada (all due to Montreal just handing it away). Also, when I lived there, the FLQ was bombing English speaking restaurants and establishments left and right. I went back and stayed for a summer a couple of years ago, and I still got the feeling that anti-English and anti-Canadian sentiment was extremely rampant. I do love the idea of a multi-linguistic and cultural place like that being in North America, however, and I'm also a big Habs fan (although Carbonneau is a xenophobic prick who is really partial to French Canadien players)

capitalist pig · 11-09-07, 05:48 PM

I have no idea, but when you do find what your looking for, might I suggest a 3-6 month trial period. The grass isnt always greener on the other side of the hill, at least so im told.

later

HedgeHog · 11-09-07, 05:53 PM

I'd move to Mexico (joking). All their people are crossing the US borders, so why not be a contrarian?

Seriously, I think a lot about moving to Canada. What are +/-of living up there my Northern friends (i.e. medical benefits, taxes etc...).

vanzack · 11-09-07, 06:11 PM

Look in to panama.

jjgold · 11-09-07, 06:12 PM

UK is nice

Sean · 11-09-07, 06:18 PM

I can only offer my opinions about countries outside of the US that I've actually visited; and, in this case, on the one country outside of the US that I've lived in for a substantial period of time ... Costa Rica. Bear in mind that these are nothing more than my observations and in no way should they be misconstrued as "official" interpretations of local law here.

Originally posted by BigBollocks

Some factors I value include:
---Open gaming opportunities, with an added bonus going to countries who don't tax gaming income.
Obviously there are gaming opportunities here ... land-based casinos open to anyone as well as online gaming opportunities (though I would verify that with any CR-based sportsbooks before attempting to play into them.) Ex-pats who remain outside of the US for at least 335 days per year can also qualify for a foreign earned income exclusion currently in the neighborhood of $80k. There is no income tax here for ex-pats.

---A surging economy.
Costa Rica is growing quite rapidly ... one of the downsides to that is that the current infrastructure is having trouble keeping pace with the growth, but that will come in time.

---A laissez faire type attitude. I'm a pretty live and let live guy, and am looking for somewhat the same.
With regards to personal freedoms and minimal government interference, I find CR to be the epitome of laissez faire.

---An easy enough immigration process, but not so easy where everyone is moving in to sit on their asses and collect welfare.
The immigration "process" currently couldn't be much easier ... there isn't much of one at this time. Non-residents simply exit the country for 72 hours every 90 days and return again as a "tourist". The application process for temporary residency can be a pain in the ass and might take a year or two to complete. In the meantime, quick trips down to Panama every 3-months suffice for my wife and me.

---If it's a country where English is not the first language, I'm willing to learn the local language if a noticeable attitude won't get me scorned. I know conversational French, and am OK with written Spanish.
Here in the San Jose area, one can get by fairly easily with basic Spanish. Most Costa Ricans receive some level of English education and many speak English quite well. I'm not fluent by any means, nor is my wife. But, no big trick to pick up enough basics to get by.

Hope this helps. Again, these are nothing more than my observations ... other gringos down here may have different experiences and I'm sure most of them could offer much better info than I. I personally enjoy living here and have no desire to return to the States anytime soon.

pavyracer · 11-09-07, 06:37 PM

Go to Cyprus. Gambling paradise!

BrentCrude · 11-09-07, 06:42 PM

Laughlin,Nevada would be my choice!

Have you ever been to Laughlin?20 degrees warmer than Vegas in the winter,low crime rate,nice 9 or so casinos,no state tax,2 hours away from Vegas,cheaper houses,older population that's a world difference than the hustle and bustle of Vegas,close to Bullhead City,Arizona where you have tons of shopping,close to California and Colorado River with lots of golf and outdoor stuff to do like off road vehicle riding,fishing&boating,gold prospecting.etc.

I go there every year for a week in the winter and on many occassions the hotel casino rooms averaged $12-$15 a night.Right after 9-11 for 2 winters, rooms were $12 a night,they threw in a couple free nights and gave you and a friend a dinner buffet every day.

Dark Horse · 11-09-07, 07:34 PM

Countries I'm considering: Panama, Mexico, Italy, New Zealand.

But I realize language is becoming an obstacle. It takes some years to learn the local language and speak it fluently. During that adjustment period, when you're translating in your head instead of thinking in the new language, you just don't have the quickness. I used to live in a place where a lot of foreigners visited, and the general impression by locals was that they had absolutely no sense of humor. Funny how that works.

SBR Lou · 11-09-07, 07:39 PM

May add some unwanted inches to your waist in Italy. The food is out of this world, loaded in saturated fat but if you love ordering Italian in the States, you'll be very pleased with dining there.

regularguy · 11-09-07, 07:45 PM

Thailand has always been my escape-from-the-US daydream. Good place. It's a very civilized wild west, in the east, if that makes any sense.

Also, I'll second Dark Horse's suggestion of New Zealand. You need first-world money there, though.

Dark Horse · 11-09-07, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by crazyl

May add some unwanted inches to your waist in Italy. The food is out of this world, loaded in saturated fat but if you love ordering Italian in the States, you'll be very pleased with dining there.

Tuscany. *Sigh*

Originally posted by regularguy

Also, I'll second Dark Horse's suggestion of New Zealand. You need first-world money there, though.

Or marry a kiwi.

Cyclone · 11-09-07, 08:47 PM

I haven't been there, but I understand Brisbane, Australia is nice.

robzilla · 11-09-07, 08:56 PM

Ive been to alot of places, but I dont think anywhere is as good as Ontario.

All the luxuries of the US without all the stupidness. I would get a cabin on a lake in nothern ontario but not super far from Toronto.

Kurt Russell and goldie hawn i think live up there. probably in the muskoka area.

area51steve · 11-09-07, 09:27 PM

Amsterdam. Been there twice and LOVED it.. Going back next summer FOR SURE..

ritehook · 11-09-07, 09:28 PM

The only country - ie part of the country - that I'm familiar with, having once lived there:

Mexico, specifically, Baja Calfornia. The US almost bought this prime piece of penisular real estate from Mexico at the conclusion of the war witht them about 170 years ago. And some 150 years back a gringo adventurer, William Walker, invaded witha a small army and tried to forcibly detach it and proclaim himself emperor.

I'm talking about the coastal area between San Diego and Ensenada - roughly 90 miles. There are also now more and more Americans moving south of Ensenada, and there has long been a gringo presence in beautiful places like Lake Chapala, near Mexico City

But, Northern Coastal Baja:

Some of the best climate in the world.

Much cheaper to live: RE prices have, of course, been rising, but you should still be able to get an oceanfront home (or nearly so) for a quarter or less than the same home in California.

Proximity to the US for medical and shopping, and picking up snail mail (regular mail delivery sucks in Mexico, they all steal, only utility and govt bills get thru).

Book gambling (via the Caliente operation) is pandemic. Sports - US and international, and horses, US and international. You can also get the internet connection for about what you'd pay in the US.

Language: you won't have to learn much Spanish - due to so many gringos having re-located there, just about everyone speaks English.

Full service DirecTV for about $120 to $160 a year. Hacked by a small army of Mexican hackers. That's American Directv, not legal in Mexico but everyone hacks it. NFL Sunday ticket, concerts, you name it..

Defintiely more laizzes faire and relaxed. Mexico does not have the tech expertise to intrude into people's lives like the efficient gringos do.

Two Worlds: you can jump from the gringo world with you many gringo neighbors right into the Mexican world, And back.

Inexpensive domestic help. Low rates to hire a housekeeper; a cook; a repairman, a builder to add an addition to your home; a mason; etc.

Taxes: none if you are not working in Mexico. Property taxes are very low. A guy I know who lives south of the tourist town of Rosarito Beach, not far from the Fox Studios where Titanic was filmed, pays about $50 a year property tax. However, if you want to put a new curb or street in, everyone in the neighborhood chips in as part of the city project.

Downsides: Well, if you want to get away from Americans, it's hard to do in northern Baja.

Crime; has increased significantly in the past 20 years, as corruption and incomptence in Mexico has created a permanent and desperate underclass. Burglarly is rampant. You have to get a home in a gated, guarded community, or a guarded condo.

Border Wait: this has gotten frikken' ridiculous since 9-11. I would neve try to cross back into the US on Sun or Mon, what with the huge army of cars wanting to do the same, after a weekend enjoying Baja.

Schools: there are some fine schools, some religious, catering to both Americans with children and Mexico's upper class. But the American kids at these schools are a minority - most of the gringos in Baja are retired.

I knew this former actor,now a lawyer for the city of San Diego, who bought a fixerupper south of Tijuana, gated community near the ocean, and fixed up it fine with cheap local labor.

And at the time I knew him was getting ready to send his ttwo pretty young blonde daughters to a local Catholci bilingual school. I told him it was ok to do, if he didn't mind biracial children, because the girl, then entering puberty, would have little choice of available gabacho (white) males. And that a blonde American girl as gf or wife was the ultra plus ultra for the great majority of Mexican males. Plus it was also a free ticket to US citizenship.

There are other plusses and minuses, but that a good introduction to living in Baja.

robzilla · 11-09-07, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by ritehook

The only country - ie part of the country - that I'm familiar with, having once lived there:

Mexico, specifically, Baja Calfornia. The US almost bought this prime piece of penisular real estate from Mexico at the conclusion of the war witht them about 170 years ago. And some 150 years back a gringo adventurer, William Walker, invaded witha a small army and tried to forcibly detach it and proclaim himself emperor.

I'm talking about the coastal area between San Diego and Ensenada - roughly 90 miles. There are also now more and more Americans moving south of Ensenada, and there has long been a gringo presence in beautiful places like Lake Chapala, near Mexico City

But, Northern Coastal Baja:

Some of the best climate in the world.

Much cheaper to live: RE prices have, of course, been rising, but you should still be able to get an oceanfront home (or nearly so) for a quarter or less than the same home in California.

Proximity to the US for medical and shopping, and picking up snail mail (regular mail delivery sucks in Mexico, they all steal, only utility and govt bills get thru).

Book gambling (via the Caliente operation) is pandemic. Sports - US and international, and horses, US and international. You can also get the internet connection for about what you'd pay in the US.

Language: you won't have to learn much Spanish - due to so many gringos having re-located there, just about everyone speaks English.

Full service DirecTV for about $120 to $160 a year. Hacked by a small army of Mexican hackers. That's American Directv, not legal in Mexico but everyone hacks it. NFL Sunday ticket, concerts, you name it..

Defintiely more laizzes faire and relaxed. Mexico does not have the tech expertise to intrude into people's lives like the efficient gringos do.

Two Worlds: you can jump from the gringo world with you many gringo neighbors right into the Mexican world, And back.

Inexpensive domestic help. Low rates to hire a housekeeper; a cook; a repairman, a builder to add an addition to your home; a mason; etc.

Taxes: none if you are not working in Mexico. Property taxes are very low. A guy I know who lives south of the tourist town of Rosarito Beach, not far from the Fox Studios where Titanic was filmed, pays about $50 a year property tax. However, if you want to put a new curb or street in, everyone in the neighborhood chips in as part of the city project.

Downsides: Well, if you want to get away from Americans, it's hard to do in northern Baja.

Crime; has increased significantly in the past 20 years, as corruption and incomptence in Mexico has created a permanent and desperate underclass. Burglarly is rampant. You have to get a home in a gated, guarded community, or a guarded condo.

Border Wait: this has gotten frikken' ridiculous since 9-11. I would neve try to cross back into the US on Sun or Mon, what with the huge army of cars wanting to do the same, after a weekend enjoying Baja.

Schools: there are some fine schools, some religious, catering to both Americans with children and Mexico's upper class. But the American kids at these schools are a minority - most of the gringos in Baja are retired.

I knew this former actor,now a lawyer for the city of San Diego, who bought a fixerupper south of Tijuana, gated community near the ocean, and fixed up it fine with cheap local labor.

And at the time I knew him was getting ready to send his ttwo pretty young blonde daughters to a local Catholci bilingual school. I told him it was ok to do, if he didn't mind biracial children, because the girl, then entering puberty, would have little choice of available gabacho (white) males. And that a blonde American girl as gf or wife was the ultra plus ultra for the great majority of Mexican males. Plus it was also a free ticket to US citizenship.

There are other plusses and minuses, but that a good introduction to living in Baja.

is that near Cabo San Lucas? Sammy Hagar owns a bar there. heard its awesome.

WileOut · 11-09-07, 11:34 PM

Be the first man to flee the US by trying to ride to Cuba in a raft. With your whole family aboard. Be sure to wave to the Cubans rafting the opposite way and let them know what you are doing. You will probably get some funny looks.

robzilla · 11-09-07, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by WileOut

Be the first man to flee the US by trying to ride to Cuba in a raft. With your whole family aboard. Be sure to wave to the Cubans rafting the opposite way and let them know what you are doing. You will probably get some funny looks.

you would be surprised... the resorts in Cuba are amazing. I was there last winter. Had a great time. All inclusive too. I was wasted every night. the place i stayed at was Bresas Guardalavaca

OrionSky · 11-10-07, 01:38 AM

Amsterdam for sure.

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by Sean

I can only offer my opinions about countries outside of the US that I've actually visited; and, in this case, on the one country outside of the US that I've lived in for a substantial period of time ... Costa Rica. Bear in mind that these are nothing more than my observations and in no way should they be misconstrued as "official" interpretations of local law here.

Hope this helps. Again, these are nothing more than my observations ... other gringos down here may have different experiences and I'm sure most of them could offer much better info than I. I personally enjoy living here and have no desire to return to the States anytime soon.

Hey Sean, thanks a heap for your time mate. I'm looking at roughly 9 months to a year before I'll be able to ship out, and have begun a precursory look into Costa Rica. The crime seems substantially less than some of Costa Rica's neighboring countries, and Costa Rica seems to have a fair amount of cultural things to do as well. The main problem that I can see, however, is that housing seems to be roughly the same as the US! All and all it may be a sounder investment at this point, but I really was expecting to see nice houses in San Jose for less than what I saw. I might look to rent my first year, and even the rent in the San Jose area was higher than it is for say central Florida! I'm definitely going to continue to look further into Costa Rica, and appreciate your time again...

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by vanzack

Look in to panama.

Van are you still living in the Orlando area, or have you relocated? (Obviously if you'd rather not say on a public forum I'm in complete understanding). What reasons lead you to say Panama if you have a second to give a few?

Hey Van, on a separate note, has our old buddy JoeBren ever surfaced back up at C****.com? He alone could lead me to start checking out the forums over there again. I kid about some posters being ice cold, but I have never in my life seen anyone lose or win at the rate he lost that one football season. It was literally a noticeable event when he won, and we're talking roughly 50-100 picks as you know. I'd venture he finished something like 10-60, and had the most epic meltdown over a course of the season that I've ever witnessed lol...

vanman · 11-10-07, 04:30 AM

Come to the UK,no problems with gambling.Weather is not so good but you can`t have it all.

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:34 AM

Originally posted by ritehook

The only country - ie part of the country - that I'm familiar with, having once lived there:

Mexico, specifically, Baja Calfornia. The US almost bought this prime piece of penisular real estate from Mexico at the conclusion of the war witht them about 170 years ago. And some 150 years back a gringo adventurer, William Walker, invaded witha a small army and tried to forcibly detach it and proclaim himself emperor.

I'm talking about the coastal area between San Diego and Ensenada - roughly 90 miles. There are also now more and more Americans moving south of Ensenada, and there has long been a gringo presence in beautiful places like Lake Chapala, near Mexico City

But, Northern Coastal Baja:

Some of the best climate in the world.

Much cheaper to live: RE prices have, of course, been rising, but you should still be able to get an oceanfront home (or nearly so) for a quarter or less than the same home in California.

Proximity to the US for medical and shopping, and picking up snail mail (regular mail delivery sucks in Mexico, they all steal, only utility and govt bills get thru).

Book gambling (via the Caliente operation) is pandemic. Sports - US and international, and horses, US and international. You can also get the internet connection for about what you'd pay in the US.

Language: you won't have to learn much Spanish - due to so many gringos having re-located there, just about everyone speaks English.

Full service DirecTV for about $120 to $160 a year. Hacked by a small army of Mexican hackers. That's American Directv, not legal in Mexico but everyone hacks it. NFL Sunday ticket, concerts, you name it..

Defintiely more laizzes faire and relaxed. Mexico does not have the tech expertise to intrude into people's lives like the efficient gringos do.

Two Worlds: you can jump from the gringo world with you many gringo neighbors right into the Mexican world, And back.

Inexpensive domestic help. Low rates to hire a housekeeper; a cook; a repairman, a builder to add an addition to your home; a mason; etc.

Taxes: none if you are not working in Mexico. Property taxes are very low. A guy I know who lives south of the tourist town of Rosarito Beach, not far from the Fox Studios where Titanic was filmed, pays about $50 a year property tax. However, if you want to put a new curb or street in, everyone in the neighborhood chips in as part of the city project.

Downsides: Well, if you want to get away from Americans, it's hard to do in northern Baja.

Crime; has increased significantly in the past 20 years, as corruption and incomptence in Mexico has created a permanent and desperate underclass. Burglarly is rampant. You have to get a home in a gated, guarded community, or a guarded condo.

Border Wait: this has gotten frikken' ridiculous since 9-11. I would neve try to cross back into the US on Sun or Mon, what with the huge army of cars wanting to do the same, after a weekend enjoying Baja.

Schools: there are some fine schools, some religious, catering to both Americans with children and Mexico's upper class. But the American kids at these schools are a minority - most of the gringos in Baja are retired.

I knew this former actor,now a lawyer for the city of San Diego, who bought a fixerupper south of Tijuana, gated community near the ocean, and fixed up it fine with cheap local labor.

And at the time I knew him was getting ready to send his ttwo pretty young blonde daughters to a local Catholci bilingual school. I told him it was ok to do, if he didn't mind biracial children, because the girl, then entering puberty, would have little choice of available gabacho (white) males. And that a blonde American girl as gf or wife was the ultra plus ultra for the great majority of Mexican males. Plus it was also a free ticket to US citizenship.

There are other plusses and minuses, but that a good introduction to living in Baja.

Hey Ritehook, reading more into the Baja area has been very interesting. Thanks for the quick synopsis. The homes I'm seeing in the area are right up there with the prices in Central Florida, but obviously don't even come close to the San Diego area. I may look even closer into this, but one major complaint I'm seeing on the forums (and you mentioned it as well) is the congestion in the area. The other major complaint is obviously crime. Apparently there are a fair amount of people who even live in the area due to the more inexpensive rates, and then commute across the border to work everyday. I'm definitely going to look into the area more, as well as some of the nicer sections around Mexico City. It's funny, but for Mexico City's size, you never hear one word about them in the news. Cheers...

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:39 AM

Originally posted by vanman

Come to the UK,no problems with gambling.Weather is not so good but you can`t have it all.

Vanman I absolutely love the UK, and am strongly thinking of relocating there. The average Joe on the streets seems substantially more educated, and I absolutely love the British sense of humour and music scene where local bands are allowed to flourish (as opposed to the same 10 wiggers being played on every station throughout America where no one knows how to play a guitar anymore). I got satellite radio just for the BBC, although how that arrogant Moyles has overachieved so much is beyond me. As far as the weather, I actually prefer cold to hot all things being equal.

What more can you tell me about the immigration process? Also, do you have any particular areas you can suggest. I've always been a Bolton Wanderer fan in the EPL if that matters

. Thanks vanman...

BadAzz · 11-10-07, 04:41 AM

I would say Australia. You get pretty much any kind of climate you want, very laid back people and all the luxuries you may need. It is not cheap though.

Or you may join us here in Finland. Weather generally sucks, You won't ever learn half of the language and you get to pay 60 000 € = 90000 $ for your regular 500 series BMW. On the positive side, we might have the safest country in the world and we ranked the least corrupt nation in the world on some research.
State monopoly in gambling but you are allowed to play anywhere you want, tax free in EU countries.

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:43 AM

Also vanman, do professional punters still go untaxed in the UK. I was talking to UK professional poker player Barny Boatman about two years ago, and at that time they still were not taxed. That's the last I've talked to someone about the UK tax man.

One other question I have is about the class system in the UK. The last time I was there I don't you could even get a tennis court for under 100 quid (as opposed to countless parks and such in the US). Also, it seems it is much more difficult for the "common man" to achieve with a class system still very much in effect. You wouldn't see someone like a Bill Clinton evolve from a trailer park to President (or PM), and such a class system seems like it would automatically breed a sense of undue arrogance. Thanks for setting me straight on this...

BadAzz · 11-10-07, 04:44 AM

I checked up and the 500 series seems to be from 50000 to 100000

BigBollocks · 11-10-07, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by BadAzz

I would say Australia. You get pretty much any kind of climate you want, very laid back people and all the luxuries you may need. It is not cheap though.

Or you may join us here in Finland. Weather generally sucks, You won't ever learn half of the language and you get to pay 60 000 € = 90000 $ for your regular 500 series BMW. On the positive side, we might have the safest country in the world and we ranked the least corrupt nation in the world on some research.
State monopoly in gambling but you are allowed to play anywhere you want, tax free in EU countries.

BadAzz, I'm a tremendous fan of the Scandinavian countries. They're all absolutely thriving economically, and seem to have a lot of things right. I was sorry to hear about the school shooting there this week. I've always heard that it was extremely difficult to immigrate to Finland, Sweden, and Norway. Is this true? I'm blonde and have always loved blonde Scandinavian girls, so that is another plus lol

vanman · 11-10-07, 04:53 AM

Originally posted by BigBollocks

Also vanman, do professional punters still go untaxed in the UK. I was talking to UK professional poker player Barny Boatman about two years ago, and at that time they still were not taxed. That's the last I've talked to someone about the UK tax man.

One other question I have is about the class system in the UK. The last time I was there I don't you could even get a tennis court for under 100 quid (as opposed to countless parks and such in the US). Also, it seems it is much more difficult for the "common man" to achieve with a class system still very much in effect. You wouldn't see someone like a Bill Clinton evolve from a trailer park to President (or PM), and such a class system seems like it would automatically breed a sense of undue arrogance. Thanks for setting me straight on this...

As far as i`m aware there is no tax on professional gamblers,as for the class system yes it`s still stacked in favour of the rich,but nothing is unobtainable if you really want it regardless of your background it`s just easier with money.

SPECULATOR 13 · 11-10-07, 05:44 AM

Go Robzy!!!

Originally posted by robzilla

Ive been to alot of places, but I dont think anywhere is as good as Ontario.

All the luxuries of the US without all the stupidness. I would get a cabin on a lake in nothern ontario but not super far from Toronto.

BB,how can ONE not love ROBZILLA he is a unique canadian !because he is a rabid NATIONALIST AND EXTREMELY PROUD TO A CUNNUCK AND LET WORLD KNOW ABOUT IT!!!..EVEN MORE SPECIAL HE IS EVEN PROUDER TO BE A TORONTONIAN!!! HATTA- BOY ROBZY!!

I share ROBZILLA'S assessment of our life style in Toronto,the province of Ontario and cottage country,(i would also ad to the list: the Bruce peninsula area as in owen sound) to be great places to live and to raise the future little BBs .But as the song by poison said:"every rose as it's thorn"..The cost Living is so OBSCENELY and OUTRAGEOUSLY EXPENSIVE that it might make you sick.EVERYBODY IS COMING TO LIVE IN THE GTA (and anywhere in a 30 miles radius),so the gouging is unbridled,relentless and unchecked!!Also consider the VICIOUS AND BONE CHILLING winters we go through here followed by a relentless and unbearably sh*tty hot and muggy summers that make you wish for the north pole.The temperature shift between my birthday on Dec31st to july 31st IS A WHOPPING 95F when you factor in the wind shill in winter and heat index in the summer than it's a 108 + between the 2 extremes.I most admit to you old chum that i can't in my old age put up with this shit anymore,it's killing me!It is not the cold or the heat that is bad in itself if you live in Vegas(or anywhere in the south) you put up with jun.jly.aug.sept. and than you get the rest of the year at 60-70 degrees OR if you live (as i did) in Iceland the temp. in the winter is like NEW-YORK'S.... MILD 35-40F BUT the summer are not warmer than 60-65F but with no wind,therefore it feel just perfect.So i would recommend Willemstad Curacao(pinny's home land)it seem to be a great place,also check the Cayman islands otherwise the Isle of man. But BB old chum if you don't mind the weather "thing" than by all means come back here BUT this time instead of crazy & shitty quebec " TO OUR HOME & NATIVE LAND"IS THE UNDISPUTED #1 COUNTRY IN THIS WORLD!!!

LGBoots · 11-10-07, 05:54 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

UK is nice

Good for gambling admittedly

But we have a lot of problems as well. A bad recession probably coming our way, ridiculous house prices & a lot of violence on the street.

A few years ago I would not have been worried about walking around my area late at night, but now things have changed with drunk violent youths roaming the streets.

Uk is going down the pan fast (IMO)

20Four7 · 11-10-07, 06:22 AM

BB: While I have not been there I have a friend who is looking at buying property and retiring in Belise. He loves it down there. He thinks I'm a crazy gambler so I don't know about gambling there. I'd prefer south to north myself as I go through the bone chilling winters in the Toronto, Ontario area.