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  • Scorpion
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    • 09-04-05
    • 7797

    #1
    EU creates $1 trillion package to save euro
    By RAF CASERT and ELENA BECATOROS, Associated Press Writers Raf Casert And Elena Becatoros, Associated Press Writers – 45 mins ago
    BRUSSELS – The European Union spearheaded a $1 trillion plan Monday to contain Europe's spreading debt crisis and keep it from tearing the euro currency apart and derailing the global economic recovery.

    Central banks around the world joined the coordinated effort to prop up the euro and repel speculative attacks against Europe's weakest countries. The European Central Bank used what analysts called its "nuclear option" — buying public and private debt to shore up liquidity in "dysfunctional" markets and lower borrowing costs.The U.S. Federal Reserve separately reopened a currency "swap" program to ship billions of dollars overseas, pumping more short-term cash into the financial system.

    Many investors, rattled for weeks by the prospect Greece would default on its mountain of debt, showed relief. The euro climbed as high as $1.2984, up from the 14-month low of $1.2523 it hit late last week. Japan's Nikkei 225 stock average rose 1.5 percent and Hong Kong's Hang Seng index added 1.3 percent. European markets jumped higher — major indexes were up more than 3 percent — and Wall Street was also expected to surge on the open, with Dow futures also 3.0 percent higher.

    There was cautious endorsement from analysts who still feared the measures may not be enough to save the common currency, which was adopted by many of the EU's member states in 1999.

    "It buys time. We don't know if it will be enough. They're trying to give the impression that they're still united. They've bought some breathing space but that's all," said Song Seng Wun, an economist with CIMB-GK Research in Singapore. "This perhaps just postpones the inevitable, the euro may have to ultimately give way, that's the worst case scenario."

    Under the three-year plan, the European Commission — the EU's governing body — will make euro60 billion ($75 billion) available while countries from the 16-nation eurozone would promise backing for euro440 billion ($570 billion). The IMF would contribute an additional sum of at least half of the EU's total contribution, or euro250 billion.

    "We shall defend the euro whatever it takes," EU Commissioner Olli Rehn said after an 11 hour-meeting of EU finance ministers that capped a hectic week of chaotic sparring between panicked governments and aggressive markets.

    Officials hope the massive sums will deter currency speculators from betting on a euro collapse after political posturing and soothing words failed to convince investors that Greece's financial implosion could be contained.

    Markets had battered the euro and Greek government bonds even as EU leaders insisted for days that Greece's problems were a unique combination of bad management, free spending and statistical cheating that doesn't apply to other euro-zone nations.

    Market jitters also partly contributed to a nearly 1,000-point drop in the Dow Jones industrials last Thursday. The Securities and Exchange Commission is meeting with heads of exchanges Monday to discuss how conflicting trading rules may have exacerbated the historic stock market plunge.

    In the end, even longtime skeptic Germany realized Europe had to show the money after financial attacks on Greece's debt seemed poised to spread to other weak European nations such as Portugal and Spain. Fear of default led to investors demanding high interest rates that Greece could not pay, forcing it to seek a bailout. Many feared market skepticism would make Portugal and Spain pay more and more to borrow, worsening their plight.

    "We now see herd behaviors in the markets that are really pack behaviors, wolf pack behaviors," Swedish Finance Minister Anders Borg said Sunday. If unchecked, "they will tear the weaker countries apart. So it is very important that we now make progress."

    Spain and Portugal have committed to "take significant additional consolidation measures in 2010 and 2011," a statement from EU finance ministers said. The two countries will present them to EU finance ministers at their meeting on May 18.

    "We are facing such exceptional circumstances today and the mechanism will stay in place as long as needed to safeguard financial stability," the ministers said.

    Some eurozone nations, meanwhile, blamed financially weak nations and a lack of European cooperation for the crisis.

    "I'm against putting all the blame on speculation," said Austrian Finance Minister Josef Proell. "Speculation is only successful against countries that have mismanaged their finances for years."

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel said her government would approve the rescue plan on Tuesday before parliament gave it "quick but thorough" consideration.

    Separately, eurozone leaders on Saturday gave final approval for a euro80 billion ($100 billion) rescue package of loans to Greece for the next three years to stave off default. The IMF also approved its part of the rescue package — euro30 billion ($40 billion) of loans — on Sunday.

    The Fed's move to back the euro defense plan reopens a program put in place during the 2008 global financial crisis under which dollars are shipped overseas through foreign central banks. In turn, these central banks can lend the dollars out to banks in their home countries that are in need of dollar funding in so-called swap agreements.

    The Fed said action is being taken "in response to the reemergence of strains in U.S. dollar short-term funding markets in Europe" and to "prevent the spread of strains to other markets and financial centers." A "swap" line with the Bank of Canada provides up to $30 billion. Figures weren't provided for the other central banks involved. They include the Bank of England, the European Central Bank, the Swiss National Bank, and the Bank of Japan.

    ____

    AP Business Writers Emma Vandore in Brussels and Jeannine Aversa in Washington, and Associated Press writers Elaine Ganley in Paris, Matt Moore in Frankfurt, Alex Kennedy in Singapore and Daniel Wagner in Washington contributed to this report.
  • Kitt3n
    SBR Hustler
    • 05-07-10
    • 55

    #2
    It is actually going to cost more. I guess Germany needs to come up with most of the money. If I am right 220 million will come from the IMF. I say just sink Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy and there is no need at all for a jar like this.

    It just works on my nerves to see those idiot Greeks demonstrate right now because they are going to need to save money in order to get the loan from the E.U. and the IMF. What do they think, the people in Germany need to work until they are 67 in order to pay so the Greeks can retire when they are 63? Bloody idiots.

    No more P.I.G.S. (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) in the E.U.!

    This package was only created because our governments know more about the finances of certain other country's. I can see the new hit coming somewhere in the next 2 months. Other poor country's that are scared they will fish behind the net and start asking for loans as well.

    Btw.this new package is not sure to be created yet. It first needs to be discussed at national level but I guess it will be created.
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    • annina
      SBR High Roller
      • 11-24-08
      • 129

      #3
      P.I.G.S.: I is from Ireland, not Italy
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      • Kitt3n
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        • 05-07-10
        • 55

        #4
        Originally posted by annina
        P.I.G.S.: I is from Ireland, not Italy
        Maybe for you. For the North of Europe the I stands for Italy. Even Ireland has more to offer then they do.
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        • AMBlai01
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-16-08
          • 5882

          #5
          Originally posted by Kitt3n
          It is actually going to cost more. I guess Germany needs to come up with most of the money. If I am right 220 million will come from the IMF. I say just sink Greece, Spain, Portugal and Italy and there is no need at all for a jar like this.

          It just works on my nerves to see those idiot Greeks demonstrate right now because they are going to need to save money in order to get the loan from the E.U. and the IMF. What do they think, the people in Germany need to work until they are 67 in order to pay so the Greeks can retire when they are 63? Bloody idiots.

          No more P.I.G.S. (Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain) in the E.U.!

          This package was only created because our governments know more about the finances of certain other country's. I can see the new hit coming somewhere in the next 2 months. Other poor country's that are scared they will fish behind the net and start asking for loans as well.

          Btw.this new package is not sure to be created yet. It first needs to be discussed at national level but I guess it will be created.
          I agree...I am not from Europe so I do not know everything there is to know about all this but everything that I have read the problem is that everything is not created equal. You cannot mash together some countries that are so blatantly different economically and even to a point culturally. The root of a lot of this is the WAY some of these citizens think.
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          • Kitt3n
            SBR Hustler
            • 05-07-10
            • 55

            #6
            Originally posted by AMBlai01
            I agree...I am not from Europe so I do not know everything there is to know about all this but everything that I have read the problem is that everything is not created equal. You cannot mash together some countries that are so blatantly different economically and even to a point culturally. The root of a lot of this is the WAY some of these citizens think.
            The problem lies with the fraud that goes on in certain country's especially the tax fraud. Greece would have a lot less problems if the tax fraud was reduced there. Just one example is a town over in that shit hole where there are about 2000 pools if not more and only 300 got reported to the tax agency. Not to mention that they have medical people that claim to make the same amount of money as a garbageman and I do not mean no nurses.
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            • Holtgetsback
              SBR MVP
              • 01-04-10
              • 4655

              #7
              Europeans are chasing.

              This does not end well and will cause even more problems

              although I am sure they already knew this
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              • pavyracer
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 04-12-07
                • 82866

                #8
                This looks like a mini version on what will happen in the future in the US. Only thing that keeps us float is our ability to print more money and pass the burden to future generations and the Chinese buying our bonds. If China cashes those bonds in a hurry we are in big trouble and will be a trigger to a Wall Street crash.
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                • Kitt3n
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                  • 05-07-10
                  • 55

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pavyracer
                  This looks like a mini version on what will happen in the future in the US. Only thing that keeps us float is our ability to print more money and pass the burden to future generations and the Chinese buying our bonds. If China cashes those bonds in a hurry we are in big trouble and will be a trigger to a Wall Street crash.
                  The American stock market will crash and in not to long I bet. Anyway only good thing that came forward from what was decided is that the Euro went up again compared to the dollar but still....
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                  • Kitt3n
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                    • 05-07-10
                    • 55

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Holtgetsback
                    although I am sure they already knew this
                    Why do you think Sweden and England still have their own coin?

                    It will not take to long before Germany leaves the Euro I think and if that happens the Netherlands will follow. Some economist already mentioned that he expects that there will be a new currency within Europe in the next few years. One for northern Europe and one for the rest. I do hope so.
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                    • AMBlai01
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                      • 09-16-08
                      • 5882

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                      This looks like a mini version on what will happen in the future in the US. Only thing that keeps us float is our ability to print more money and pass the burden to future generations and the Chinese buying our bonds. If China cashes those bonds in a hurry we are in big trouble and will be a trigger to a Wall Street crash.
                      I think the opposite...I think we are on the upside while other countries are on the downside of this crap. We were the first country in trouble and will be the first one out...it is all a cycle. I could always be wrong of course.
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                      • Kitt3n
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                        • 05-07-10
                        • 55

                        #12
                        Originally posted by AMBlai01
                        I think the opposite...I think we are on the upside while other countries are on the downside of this crap. We were the first country in trouble and will be the first one out...it is all a cycle. I could always be wrong of course.
                        The only thing the US has done is move the problem forward. And when it will hit again it will hit harder then last time. People just need to start to understand you can not spend money you do not own same goes on for governments.
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                        • Holtgetsback
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                          • 01-04-10
                          • 4655

                          #13
                          It's chasing. Doesn't work.

                          You make some money for a while and then boom barreled in
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                          • AMBlai01
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-16-08
                            • 5882

                            #14
                            The answer is...worry about yourself. Put yourself in a position that regardless of the market you will be alright....
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                            • gman2114
                              SBR Sharp
                              • 10-20-09
                              • 418

                              #15
                              Money is just paper. Countries can default an rebuild in two years. There is no threat here of anything. It is just politics and a game. People just want to trade and speculate. If they had any balls they would just bet sports. Money is not earned any more but created. The whole system will implode some day. Just not today or tomorrow.
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                              • Holtgetsback
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-04-10
                                • 4655

                                #16
                                Originally posted by gman2114
                                Money is just paper. Countries can default an rebuild in two years. There is no threat here of anything. It is just politics and a game. People just want to trade and speculate. If they had any balls they would just bet sports. Money is not earned any more but created. The whole system will implode some day. Just not today or tomorrow.
                                If only the other 99.% of the United States thought this way

                                I bet you are stoned out of your mind right now
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                                • Kitt3n
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                                  • 05-07-10
                                  • 55

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by gman2114
                                  Money is just paper. Countries can default an rebuild in two years. There is no threat here of anything. It is just politics and a game. People just want to trade and speculate. If they had any balls they would just bet sports. Money is not earned any more but created. The whole system will implode some day. Just not today or tomorrow.
                                  I wished it was just paper. There is more non paper money then there is paper money.
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                                  • Extra Innings
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 02-26-10
                                    • 15058

                                    #18
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                                    • annina
                                      SBR High Roller
                                      • 11-24-08
                                      • 129

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Kitt3n
                                      I wished it was just paper. There is more non paper money then there is paper money.
                                      I agree 100% (example CDS)
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                                      • Kitt3n
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 05-07-10
                                        • 55

                                        #20
                                        Jups we are in some deep shit now. The ECB has just decided to take over debts that EU country's have that make them look untrustworthy. Great now we are doing the same as the USA and GB only on a national level.
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                                        • Slim
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-13-08
                                          • 4722

                                          #21
                                          I never liked the Euro. I hope Poland never gets rid of their Zloty.
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                                          • BatemanPatrickl
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                                            • 06-21-07
                                            • 18772

                                            #22
                                            This is all setting up nicely for a NWO. A few people rule the entire world with 99% of the wealth. The lucky get to work for them and live nice lives. The rest fall into poverty.

                                            Wake up people and vote these bums out of office. Talking about Dems and Repubs.
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                                            • excel
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                                              • 03-25-10
                                              • 4270

                                              #23
                                              The prime minister just resigned, I wonder if its related?
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                                              • Kitt3n
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                                                • 05-07-10
                                                • 55

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Slim
                                                I never liked the Euro. I hope Poland never gets rid of their Zloty.
                                                I think Poland would be very lucky if they could GET the Euro. Country's that actually own money then need to put money into Poland not even talking about how profitable it would be for the Polish export.
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                                                • Kitt3n
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                                                  • 05-07-10
                                                  • 55

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl
                                                  This is all setting up nicely for a NWO. A few people rule the entire world with 99% of the wealth. The lucky get to work for them and live nice lives. The rest fall into poverty.

                                                  Wake up people and vote these bums out of office. Talking about Dems and Repubs.
                                                  I think you got it the wrong way. What is actually happening is that the poor keep getting more and more and that is what is messing up the system.

                                                  Would you work if you get paid more to stay at home and sit on your ass? Let those that deserve it keep their money and decrease taxes. Stop putting money into 3th world country's and stop the immigration into north-western Europe from non north-western European country's. Put in strict policy's for those immigrants that are already here (like 2nd arrest on the plane back WITH the rest of the family) and try to get them educated.
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                                                  • annina
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 11-24-08
                                                    • 129

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Kitt3n
                                                    I think you got it the wrong way. What is actually happening is that the poor keep getting more and more and that is what is messing up the system.

                                                    Would you work if you get paid more to stay at home and sit on your ass? Let those that deserve it keep their money and decrease taxes. Stop putting money into 3th world country's and stop the immigration into north-western Europe from non north-western European country's. Put in strict policy's for those immigrants that are already here (like 2nd arrest on the plane back WITH the rest of the family) and try to get them educated.
                                                    I'll vote you next time
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                                                    • Skidcom
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                                                      • 11-17-06
                                                      • 1796

                                                      #27
                                                      To paraphrase Emma Lazarus "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning for money free". That is apparently the European Commission's reaction to The Greek masses in the streets last week. Not only that, but they're prepared to accept Sovereign and other debt as collateral for one year loans. This massive injection begs the question "how much trouble are these countries in, anyway?"
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                                                      • nenad
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                                                        • 08-12-09
                                                        • 714

                                                        #28
                                                        euro is big mess thay have 7x more money than thay shoold stamp
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