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    10 bizarre baseball rules you won't believe actually existed

    1. Batters had the right to request a low or high pitch from 1867 to 1887

    Imagine Mike Trout walking up to the plate and telling David Price exactly where he wanted the ball. In the game's infancy, that was a reality: Prior to every at-bat, batters would request a high or low strike zone -- either from the knee to the belt or the belt to the shoulder -- and the pitcher had to put it there. Awfully demanding of you, late-19th-century batsmen.

    2. Fly balls could be caught off a bounce until 1864, and foul balls until 1883

    This may seem bizarre to baseball fans today, but the logic behind the one-bounce rule was actually fairly straightforward: It was a holdover from other favorite childhood games, like jacks, and in the days before gloves it allowed players to avoid catching a very hard ball with their bare hands.

    As the 19th century wore on, though, support for the rule waned. After years of hilariously acrimonious debate -- at a convention in New York, one delegate even dubbed it a "boy's rule" -- the rule was officially voted out for fair balls in 1864. Foul balls, however, could still be caught on a bounce for another 20 years.

    3. Pitchers were required to throw underhand until 1883

    Baseball owed much of its origin to cricket, and one of the game's first codified sets of rules -- the Knickerbocker rules, drafted in 1845 for New York's Knickerbocker baseball club -- speak to those roots: "The ball must be pitched, not thrown, for the bat." "Pitched", in the traditional sense of the term: a stiff, underhanded motion, almost like bowling.

    The first man to go electric, according to MLB's official historian John Thorn, was Tommy Bond: He raised his delivery just above the waist in the mid-1870s, and from there, it was only a matter of time before the overhand delivery was born, if only because this is not the face of a man you want to mess with:



    But at least the Chad Bradfords of the world can rest a little bit easier tonight, knowing that, once upon a time, they were the normal ones.

    4. One side of the bat was allowed to be flat from 1885 to 1893

    Concerned about a lack of scoring in the National League (league-wide ERA: 2.37, so quit bragging, Kershaw), Cincinnati Red Stockings organizer Harry Wright proposed a rule change to help juice offense: Allow bats to have a flat face, much like cricket. After much hand-wringing, the NL adopted the policy in 1885, and, combined with changes to the pitching distance, runs began to increase -- until everyone soon realized that flat bats had a tendency to splinter, and the rule was rescinded in 1893.

    5. Walks were scored as hits for one year, in 1887

    If you read the above and thought, "Wow, that seems destined to cause all kind of record-keeping difficulties," well, you would be absolutely correct!

    A staggering 11 players hit .400 that season, nine of whom wouldn't have had walks not counted as an at-bat. The statistics were even rewritten in 1968 by the Special Baseball Records Committee, with drastic consequences: Cap Anson, who hit .421 to lead the league in 1887, had 60 hits taken away, which stripped him of not only the batting title but the honor of first-ever member of the 3,000-hit club. In 2001, MLB reversed the Committee's decision, and Cap now sits proudly in the Hall of Fame with over 3,400 hits and one stellar mustache:



    As for the rule itself, it was deeply unpopular even at the time -- with a New York Times article even referring to walks as "phantom hits" -- and it was quickly rectified after one year.

    6. Umpires in the 19th century had it made


    The plight of the umpire is a difficult one: You try tracking a small white ball traveling at ridiculously high speeds, with a stadium full of people and the entire Internet ready to castigate you if you're wrong.

    Being an umpire at the turn of the 20th century, though? That actually sounds pretty great: They were chosen from the crowd prior to first pitch -- they were often prominent members of the local community -- and rather than spend all that energy to squat behind the catcher, umpires were given easy chairs in the general vicinity of home plate. And that was just the beginning of the perks. From Ohio's Marion Star newspaper in 1916:

    "The old time umpires were accorded the utmost courtesy by the players. They were given easy chairs, placed near the home plate, provided with fans on hot days and their absolute comfort was uppermost in the minds of the players. The umpire always received the choicest bits of food and the largest glass of beer."

    Sign us up, please.

    7. Rather than crouching, catchers would stand a few feet behind home until the early 1900s

    Nowadays, catchers serve a vital defensive purpose -- from calling a game to the art of framing pitches to throwing out baserunners. In the mid-1800s, though, their responsibilities were far simpler: Just get in the way of the ball, please. Catchers were originally conceived as glorified backstops, standing a few feet behind home plate and making sure balls didn't roll past them. A couple of innovative souls began to buck this trend in the 1870s, but the crouching we're accustomed to wouldn't truly spread until the beginning of the 20th century.

    8. The spitball was outlawed in 1920 -- but pitchers who had been throwing it for years were grandfathered in

    Pitchers doctoring baseballs was always an ethical gray area, but it was a fairly common practice in the early days, and spit wasn't nearly the worst of it: pitchers would use mud, grease, soap, anything they could think of to make the ball dance in unpredictable ways.

    Wanting to bring more offense to the game, MLB responded in 1920, outlawing the practice for good. But several famous spitballers were in the middle of their careers, and so the league came up with a compromise: a grandfather clause, allowing those who had thrown it before the rule to continue to do so. Righty Burleigh Grimes carried the "last official spitballer" mantle for 14 more years, grossing out all of his teammates until his retirement in 1934:



    9. It was pretty difficult to hit a walk-off homer until 1920

    The batter steps to the plate in the bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, the score tied. He swings, and blasts one over the 400-foot sign in left field! The crowd roars as our hero celebrates his walkoff ... single, at least for the game's first few decades. Until 1920, hitters were only given credit for the number of bases the winning run advanced -- so, for example, a walkoff home run that scored a runner from second would only be considered a double, because that runner only advanced two bases. The only way a home run could stand as a walk-off was if the batter himself was the winning run.

    Setting aside the impact this rule had on the record books, just think of the home plate celebrationsbaseball's earliest fans were deprived of.

    10. Ground rule doubles were actually home runs as recently as 1930

    Yes, really: Any ball that bounced off the ground and over the fence was ruled a home run. Rumor has it that at least one of Lou Gehrig's home runs during his 1927 home run race with Babe Ruth was actually a ground rule double.

    In fact, at one point the very concept of a home run was an alien one: According to Thorn, on May 21, 1880 -- a time when few parks had ground rules stipulating that a ball clearing the wall was a home run -- a player hit a ball over the fence and into a river, and the right fielder, confused as to what to do next, actually hopped into a boat to go retrieve the thing. (He eventually gave up, unsuccessful in his pursuit. Stay forever weird, baseball.)
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    What year did they put in the no crying rule?

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    This is great shit Diggity! Love it!!!
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    baseball's so....meticulous, gotta love it

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    Nice thread Diggs
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    Where’s the ass mane

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklee168 View Post
    What year did they put in the no crying rule?
    What about Foul Balls not counting as Strikes? Was almost impossible to strike out Wee Willie Keeler, who hit over .400.

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    I think a few years back they had another stupid rule. If the manager wanted to walk a batter they actually had to throw 4 slow pitches to the catcher and he had to catch the 4 balls before the batter can walk.
    Last edited by pavyracer; 05-03-22 at 07:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Where’s the ass mane

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    I think a few years back they had another stupid rule. If the manager wanted to walk a batter they actually had to throw 4 slow pitchers to the catcher and he had to catch the 4 balls before the batter can walk.
    In 50 years that is what they say

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    Hell yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    I think a few years back they had another stupid rule. If the manager wanted to walk a batter they actually had to throw 4 slow pitchers to the catcher and he had to catch the 4 balls before the batter can walk.
    I once threw it over the catchers head doing that

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    This is an example on why the modern-day records are ridiculous. Did you know, they used to have fields with 470 foot fences? Did you know they used to have fields without any fences at all? While its true if you hit it way over the OF, you should get a HR based on that if you hit it far enough....what if its a big guy that's overweight? He'd probably have 0 hr, and 110 doubles.

    Now, the fences are waaay in now compared to where they were back in pre-WW2 days. Of course, with a 330 down a line these current players will surpass a guys stats from the 1920's. Why try to compare Ty Cobb to anyone playing today? Its useless. The game has changed way too much.

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    I play on a vintage baseball team Diggler.

    No gloves allowed for 1864 rules and the ball is not much softer than todays baseball.

    I was all banged up for a few days after a game last summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hehfest View Post
    This is an example on why the modern-day records are ridiculous. Did you know, they used to have fields with 470 foot fences? Did you know they used to have fields without any fences at all? While its true if you hit it way over the OF, you should get a HR based on that if you hit it far enough....what if its a big guy that's overweight? He'd probably have 0 hr, and 110 doubles.

    Now, the fences are waaay in now compared to where they were back in pre-WW2 days. Of course, with a 330 down a line these current players will surpass a guys stats from the 1920's. Why try to compare Ty Cobb to anyone playing today? Its useless. The game has changed way too much.
    In the old times people didn't lift weights, have good nutrition and good medicine.

    Which makes you wonder how bad was pitching back then? Babe Ruth would eat 3 buffets and drink 12 beers and then go hit a home run drunk in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    In the old times people didn't lift weights, have good nutrition and good medicine.

    Which makes you wonder how bad was pitching back then? Babe Ruth would eat 3 buffets and drink 12 beers and then go hit a home run drunk in the game.
    While puffing on cigars

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    Some of them could juggle too...


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    Current rule that sucks. Players must make $10 million a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Some of them could juggle too...

    In fact, he was so good a juggling baseballs that they put him on the SI cover.


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    Nah mang, it wasn't his juggling.

    They just wanted to print Di*k on the cover of SI.

    They knew alright.

    They fukkin knew.


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    Dick “All in” Allen

    Sounds like JJGold fukkin a thimble


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    damn I belched!...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pablo222 View Post
    I play on a vintage baseball team Diggler.

    No gloves allowed for 1864 rules and the ball is not much softer than todays baseball.

    I was all banged up for a few days after a game last summer.

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    That's awesome, Pab. Baseball was such a different game before 1900.

    Check out this guy's Pitching Line for 1884:
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...adboch01.shtml
    Year Age Tm Lg W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF ERA+ FIP WHIP H9 HR9 BB9 SO9 SO/W Awards
    1881 26 PRO NL 25 11 .694 2.43 41 36 4 34 3 0 325.1 309 162 88 1 64 117 0 17 1380 108 2.60 1.147 8.5 0.0 1.8 3.2 1.83
    1882 27 PRO NL 33 19 .635 2.11 54 51 3 50 6 0 466.0 422 213 109 6 51 201 0 23 1916 133 2.40 1.015 8.2 0.1 1.0 3.9 3.94
    1883 28 PRO NL 48 25 .658 2.05 76 68 8 66 4 1 632.1 563 275 144 7 56 315 0 36 2540 150 2.67 0.979 8.0 0.1 0.8 4.5 5.63
    1884 29 PRO NL 60 12 .833 1.38 75 73 2 73 11 1 678.2 528 216 104 18 98 441 0 34 2672 205 2.75 0.922 7.0 0.2 1.3 5.8

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    In fact, he was so good a juggling baseballs that they put him on the SI cover.

    Dick Allen, great player who the writers didn't like.

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