[mjsuax13]

Wrong. Embiid is the far better defender, its not close. Jokic got obliterated by a mediocre offensive team, Memphis. Memphis was scoring on nearly every possession.

Embiid dominates games, Jokic fills the stat sheet up.

Jokic isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs, that's Murray, and its not close. Jokic isn't even that good of a scorer when it matters, in the playoffs.

Just stop, Embiid is a top 5 center all-time. Jokic is a good player for his era. Its not close.

Of all time? WOW. Holy shit. You are just a fan boy. Nothing more.

[mjsuax13]

Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.

[stevenash]

Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.

That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

That opinion I'll respect.

[mjsuax13]

That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

That opinion I'll respect.

Dude… I didn’t get into the Chief, McAdoo, Unseld, etc.. etc… Embiid hasn’t accomplished shit. He’s best known for being hurt on the bench.

[thomorino]

Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Malone, Robinson, Ewing, Mikan,…to name a few. He’s never even played a full season.

Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.

You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.

Top 5 center all-time.

Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaq

[thomorino]

That's before we get into the Robert Parrish's of the world.
Ask that Larry Bird guy if Embid is better than The Chief.

That opinion I'll respect.

Robert Parrish couldn't score 20 points a game, just stop.

[thomorino]

Dude… I didn’t get into the Chief, McAdoo, Unseld, etc.. etc… Embiid hasn’t accomplished shit. He’s best known for being hurt on the bench.

The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.

[Bostongambler]

The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.

He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.

[stevenash]

Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.

You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.

Top 5 center all-time.

Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaq

Moses Malone.
And how many rings does Embid have?
Parrish?

Embid isn't top center in the league now.
I proved it.

Now disprove this, I proved my case.
You've yet to disprove it.




Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

[thomorino]

He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.

Wrong, you are unintelligent.

[stevenash]

Wrong, you are unintelligent.

You're back to these responses.
That suggests you've got nothing left in the tank.

Bye

[thomorino]

He’s referring to Mosses Malone you dipshit with half a brain.

And in addition to spelling Moses Malone's name wrong he was also a power forward, not a center. You are unintelligent.

[Bostongambler]

Wrong, you are unintelligent.

What do you mean wrong. 😂

I’m 100% right when he mentioned Malone he was referring to Mosses . You can’t even admit you were wrong. Ya, he was talking about Karl. 😂. You tool.


And when he mentions Robinson was he referring to Remeal Robinson?

[clockwise1965]

Great value but can he stay healthy? History says no.

[thomorino]

Moses Malone.
And how many rings does Embid have?
Parrish?

Embid isn't top center in the league now.
I proved it.

Now disprove this, I proved my case.
You've yet to disprove it.




Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

You're back to these responses.
That suggests you've got nothing left in the tank.

Bye

Rings are a team accomplishment. Parrish has more rings than wilt, he's not better.

Embiid is a top 5 all time center and he's elite defensively. Jokic barely plays defense and isn't even better offensively.

Just stop.

[JIBBBY]

Embiid is a game away from a season ending injury. That big goof is an injury waiting to happen. Couldn't pay me to bet a future on him.

[thomorino]

What do you mean wrong. 😂

I’m 100% right when he mentioned Malone he was referring to Mosses . You can’t even admit you were wrong. Ya, he was talking about Karl. 😂. You tool.


And when he mentions Robinson was he referring to Remeal Robinson?

Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.

[thomorino]

Embiid is a game away from a season ending injury. That big goof is an injury waiting to happen. Couldn't pay me to bet a future on him.

Disagree and injury risk is more than priced in at 16-1

[JIBBBY]

Disagree and injury risk is more than priced in at 16-1

I disagree, first he's gotta beat out all the best players to win the MVP award and then avoid injury also. He's up against it even at those odds.

[stevenash]

Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.

This is what I mean by you don't do research.
You don't do homework.
What position did MOSES Malone play.
And how many games in his career did he play center.
And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
Murray didn't even play.
You didn't think then either.
You...Don't... Think...


https://www.basketball-reference.com...malonmo01.html

[stevenash]

Read this too.
Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone

[Bostongambler]

Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!

[clockwise1965]

Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.

[Bostongambler]

If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.

[clockwise1965]

If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.

Malone was so dominant he was the first player to successfully transition from high school straight to the pros.

Embid is a good player but not ev en in the same league as Malone imo.

[stevenash]

Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.

I have one question, and one question only.
Why does Thom even do this to himself?

[thomorino]

Embiid is 7-4, Malone was 6-10

Embiid is bigger, stronger, and a better athlete. The athleticism of players int he NBA now shits on where the league was 20 years ago when Malone played.

Embiid would dominate Malone one on one, he almost 6 inches taller than him

[thomorino]

This is what I mean by you don't do research.
You don't do homework.
What position did MOSES Malone play.
And how many games in his career did he play center.
And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
Murray didn't even play.
You didn't think then either.
You...Don't... Think...


https://www.basketball-reference.com...malonmo01.html

Read this too.
Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone

Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!

Malone played the 4 position the vast majority of his career. The 4 position in basketball is the center position.

If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.

Malone was so dominant he was the first player to successfully transition from high school straight to the pros.

Embid is a good player but not ev en in the same league as Malone imo.

I have one question, and one question only.
Why does Thom even do this to himself?

Malone was a power forward most of his career, he was 6-10, not big enough to play center.

Embiid is a top 5 soccer rebounder and defender, he's the best center in the league, and it's not that close.

[thomorino]

This is what I mean by you don't do research.
You don't do homework.
What position did MOSES Malone play.
And how many games in his career did he play center.
And how many times did he lead the league in rebounding.
He was after all the "Chairman of the Boards"

Think man, think before you say stuff like Malone wasn't a center, that was 98 percent of his career, he jumped center.
It's like when you told me Murray was the better player in last seasons playoff than Jokic.
Murray didn't even play.
You didn't think then either.
You...Don't... Think...


https://www.basketball-reference.com...malonmo01.html

Read this too.
Then tell me if Embid is a better center.
Just stop. We're all begging you, you're exposing yourself.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Malone

Yes Thermaflu I did spell his name wrong . It’s Moses not Mosses. See how easy that was.

Not admit that is who he meant and not Karl Malone, not Sam Malone, not Jeff Malone, but Moses. A CENTER!

If you honestly think Embiid is a better center than Moses Malone was you need your head examined.

I have one question, and one question only.
Why does Thom even do this to himself?

Unintelligent posters

[chargers4222]

Joel Embiid: the pride of "deleware county"

[chargers4222]

Your still not spelling his name right and he was a power forward not a center. You are unintelligent.

You're*

[chargers4222]

The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.

There*

[thomorino]

Joel Embiid: the pride of "deleware county"

You're*

There*

You are unintelligent. I own this tool, he does nothing but post trash in my threads.

[thomorino]

The average NBA player is far more athletic now than 39-40 years ago, Embiid still dominates every night on both h sides of the ball.

[stevenash]

Who's having a better offensive season?
(The guy listed on the top of ANY metric you use)

			Stats												Ratings
	Player	Team	G	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FGA	FT%	FTA	Overall	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FT%
1	Nikola Jokic	DEN	39	1291	1011	541	294	54	31	60	57.2	689	78.7	207	1.34	1.98	3.05	1.84	1.09	0.29	-0.12	2.49	0.07
2	Stephen Curry	GSW	42	1459	1103	224	261	61	20	206	42	846	91.2	205	1.2	2.43	-0.06	1.45	1.58	-0.28	3.66	-1.48	2.29
3	James Harden	BKN	40	1480	918	322	401	52	29	96	42.1	639	86.6	328	1.1	1.53	0.9	3.1	0.95	0.19	0.82	-1.05	2.39
4	Trae Young	ATL	41	1426	1144	162	386	40	4	115	45.5	840	90.1	294	0.98	2.63	-0.67	2.92	0.12	-1.1	1.31	-0.44	3.04
5	Kevin Durant	BKN	36	1313	1053	267	207	28	34	67	52	729	89.4	255	0.86	2.19	0.36	0.81	-0.72	0.44	0.06	1.3	2.46
6	Fred VanVleet	TOR	40	1525	872	188	277	66	21	156	42.4	698	86.7	143	0.81	1.3	-0.42	1.63	1.93	-0.23	2.37	-1.08	1.01
7	LeBron James	LAL	34	1245	981	258	217	54	38	97	51.7	710	75.8	198	0.79	1.83	0.27	0.92	1.09	0.65	0.84	1.2	-0.45
8	Chris Paul	PHX	44	1419	617	189	440	85	15	42	47.9	489	84.3	127	0.77	0.05	-0.41	3.56	3.25	-0.53	-0.58	0.22	0.62
9	Dejounte Murray	SAS	41	1407	791	347	366	82	16	57	45	734	73.3	101	0.76	0.9	1.14	2.69	3.04	-0.48	-0.19	-0.49	-0.49
10	Karl-Anthony Towns	MIN	38	1313	924	350	141	41	45	84	51.9	636	80.7	223	0.76	1.55	1.17	0.03	0.19	1.01	0.5	1.14	0.46
11	Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	39	1276	1116	440	235	40	58	42	53.1	729	71.4	420	0.75	2.5	2.06	1.14	0.12	1.68	-0.58	1.58	-2.45
12	Donovan Mitchell	UTA	40	1340	1020	158	206	64	9	128	45	826	87.6	169	0.69	2.03	-0.71	0.79	1.79	-0.84	1.64	-0.55	1.34
13	Domantas Sabonis	IND	44	1534	834	523	214	44	19	34	57.7	537	74.4	242	0.68	1.11	2.87	0.89	0.4	-0.33	-0.79	2.08	-0.82
14	Jayson Tatum	BOS	43	1583	1085	368	164	41	33	109	41.6	900	84.1	271	0.67	2.35	1.35	0.3	0.19	0.39	1.15	-1.71	1.38
15	LaMelo Ball	CHA	39	1239	741	286	301	62	17	105	41.8	644	88.3	111	0.65	0.66	0.54	1.92	1.65	-0.43	1.05	-1.13	0.92
16	Joel Embiid	PHI	34	1117	965	362	143	35	47	45	49.8	624	81.4	366	0.65	1.76	1.29	0.05	-0.23	1.11	-0.51	0.67	1.03
17	Rudy Gobert	UTA	41	1328	658	615	46	32	95	0	71.4	325	68.8	282	0.62	0.25	3.77	-1.1	-0.44	3.58	-1.67	2.88	-2.32
18	Miles Bridges	CHA	44	1586	884	328	158	49	39	87	48.2	695	77	165	0.59	1.36	0.96	0.23	0.74	0.7	0.58	0.33	-0.22
19	Jaren Jackson	MEM	47	1294	775	269	50	47	104	82	41.4	637	81.7	202	0.58	0.82	0.38	-1.05	0.61	4.04	0.45	-1.19	0.58
20	Tyrese Haliburton	SAC	43	1463	591	167	304	71	31	88	46.7	475	81.9	72	0.58	-0.08	-0.62	1.95	2.28	0.29	0.61	0.04	0.17