Good Value on Joel Embiid to win the MVP at +1600

[thomorino]

Here's what the NBA uses.
It's the same model they used and I used when I disproved your ridiculous claim that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
If I recall you laid -130 on a +150 prop, flushed 80 cents of juice down the toilet while the Knicks easily made the playoffs.
And I tried 100 times in a professional manner too to get you off the Knicks prop.

Same model here.
Jokic 30 percent chance of winning MVP
Embid not even nine percent.
What makes you think you know more than 10 million dollars worth of computer hardware and software.
You just don't know how math works.

2021-22 NBA MVP Award Tracker

Rk	Player	Team	W	L	W/L%	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK		Prob%
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN	23	21	0.523	39	39	33.1	10.1	17.7	0.572	1.5	4.2	0.37	8.6	13.5	0.634	0.615	4.2	5.3	0.787	2.8	11.1	13.9	7.5	1.4	0.8		30.10%
2	Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	29	19	0.604	39	39	32.7	9.9	18.7	0.531	1.1	3.8	0.282	8.8	14.9	0.595	0.56	7.7	10.8	0.714	1.8	9.5	11.3	6	1	1.5		23.00%
3	Kevin Durant	BRK	29	16	0.644	36	36	36.5	10.5	20.3	0.52	1.9	5	0.372	8.7	15.3	0.568	0.566	6.3	7.1	0.894	0.6	6.9	7.4	5.8	0.8	0.9		9.50%
4	Joel Embiid	PHI	26	19	0.578	34	34	32.9	9.1	18.4	0.498	1.3	3.4	0.391	7.8	15	0.523	0.534	8.8	10.8	0.814	2	8.7	10.6	4.2	1	1.4		8.70%
5	Rudy Gobert	UTA	30	16	0.652	41	41	32.4	5.7	7.9	0.714	0	0	0	5.7	7.9	0.716	0.714	4.7	6.9	0.688	3.6	11.4	15	1.1	0.8	2.3		6.30%
6	Chris Paul	PHO	35	9	0.795	44	44	32.3	5.3	11.1	0.479	1	3	0.321	4.4	8.1	0.536	0.521	2.4	2.9	0.843	0.3	4	4.3	10	1.9	0.3		6.30%
7	James Harden	BRK	29	16	0.644	40	40	37	6.7	16	0.421	2.4	7.1	0.339	4.3	8.9	0.486	0.496	7.1	8.2	0.866	1	7.1	8.1	10	1.3	0.7		5.50%
8	Stephen Curry	GSW	33	13	0.717	42	42	34.7	8.5	20.1	0.42	4.9	12.8	0.384	3.5	7.4	0.482	0.541	4.5	4.9	0.912	0.6	4.8	5.3	6.2	1.5	0.5		5.10%
9	LeBron James	LAL	23	23	0.5	34	34	36.6	10.8	20.9	0.517	2.9	7.9	0.362	7.9	13	0.611	0.585	4.4	5.8	0.758	1.1	6.5	7.6	6.4	1.6	1.1		3.10%
10	Ja Morant	MEM	32	16	0.667	35	35	32.6	9.3	19.1	0.489	1.6	4.4	0.357	7.7	14.7	0.528	0.53	4.9	6.3	0.776	1.3	4.5	5.8	6.9	1.3	0.4		2.50%

Lol... Steve with the Dagger 

Where is his talk show if he's that good?
How is it he knows more than guys like Kenny the Jet, and whoever that gets paid millions do this his shit.

How is it that everybody on the NBA planet all the same thing, Jokic is the clear league MVP and Thom here says everybody is wrong?

Did you see his conversation with the Timberwolf team exec online Thom had regarding Towns.
Thom pretty much was arguing with a executive of the T-Wolves that Towns was garbage.
The exec said pretty much "Do you watch much NBA on TV" or something to that effect.

Wait a few minutes, I cut and pasted that conversation and saved it.
I'll post that if you want.

Mic drop
Point proven
End of thread

Lastly, I'm not saying Embid is garbage, he is not.
But to prefer Embid over Jokic is like saying I prefer chuck steak over filet.

Yeesh.
Enough, I'm watching football.

Kareem was the first guy I mentioned. Can you read? What has Embiid won or accomplished? Seriously. Name one thing. Malone 100% a center. Robinson prime would bully Embiid because he’s soft. Shaq would crush his entire career. Where do you get your information?

Moses Malone you moron. What planet are you on? Every person in a thread about centers would know that. Except you. You don’t know anything about basketball, NBA history or betting. Embiid Top 5. Bahahahahahahaha

Unbelievable. This is what he does when he is wrong, which is in every thread. He’s hyper ventilating his response without thinking.

2020 Bubble: -59 units
2021 NBA: -197 units
2022 NBA: on pace for -300 units

Never surprised by the resident piñata but he has to be used to losing… so why doesn’t he take the loss and move on. Like his -562.9 records since August 2020

*one
*many
*limited

Wrong, those aren't my records. I'm strong across the board.

Unintelligent posters posting their usual trash.

Embiid is better at every single thing on the court than Jokic than passing. He's almost 6 inches taller than Malone.

He's a top 5 center without question. He's elite offensively and defensively. He was hurt early in the year but he's healthy and rolling now.

Take Embiid off Philadelphia and put Jokic on Philadelphia, they wouldn't be close to as good.

Embiid dominates every night, Jokic gives you a nice 24, but he's not even, again, the best player on his own team in the playoffs.

[thomorino]

You laid -130 that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
They did EXACTLY what you said they WOULD NOT do.
You lost that bet.
I won that bet.

Do you believe your own shit?
I'll answer, yes you do.

You spent a month arguing Calvin Ridley was elite, he's barley average as a #1 receiver.

You thought Kamara was better than Jones even though Jones has averaged far more per carry than Jones every year in the league.

Just stop. You are embarrassing and unintelligent.

[mjsuax13]

Shut up you dumb turd. You know nothing.

Patrick Ewing couldn't shoot 3's or dream of doing a euro step, Embiid does both every night.

I don't recall Ewing hitting a single 3 point shot in a meaningful game, Embiid hits multiple 3 point shots each night. Embiid scores 30 points almost every night, Ewing scored 30 once a month at most.

Stop talking.

Embiid, Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Shaq.

Robinson and Ewing aren't on Embiid's level, and its clear.

Stop backpedaling forum cuck. Ewing and Robinson had long successful careers. Embiid hasn’t even played a single full year. Do you like getting beat on daily? You go back and forth on eras, Ewing and Robinson played in an era with defense. Embiid plays in an era with nothing. They would bully Embiid and make him quit. Post some fades tonight clown.

[thomorino]

You laid -130 that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
They did EXACTLY what you said they WOULD NOT do.
You lost that bet.
I won that bet.

Do you believe your own shit?
I'll answer, yes you do.

The Knicks were trash exactly as I said they were. And they are showing that again this year. They made the playoffs because everyone else got hurt.

Just stop, you never win at anything, you are unintelligent.

[thomorino]

Stop backpedaling forum cuck. Ewing and Robinson had long successful careers. Embiid hasn’t even played a single full year. Do you like getting beat on daily? You go back and forth on eras, Ewing and Robinson played in an era with defense. Embiid plays in an era with nothing. They would bully Embiid and make him quit. Post some fades tonight clown.

Ewing and Robinsons barely scored 30 points more than once a month, Embiid has done almost 15 times just this month.

Embiid is better everything than both of them. Shooting, passing, post game, defense, literally everything.

Crawl back to your trailer, you are unintelligent.

[mjsuax13]

Shaq couldn't shoot and didn't play defense until later in his career. You are unintelligent.

Shaq would have bullied you and Embiid little guy. I’d say “lace up” but we know you stuff those Twinkie toes in crocs.

[stevenash]

You have said soooo many stupid, moronic, dumb things out here. But Embiid being better than Malone is the tops.

I'll handle this one.

Moses Malone played in 697 games from 1982-1990
692 of the 697 were starts.
Of the 692 starts, he jumped center (care to guess)
That's right 692 times.

Where I come from we call you a pathological liar.
You can't help yourself.
You don't do research, you make shit up as you believe, post it as fact, get proven wrong, and spin, spin, spin.
It's hilarious, pathetic too.

You post opinions as fact and expect people to buy your bullshit.

Would you like for me to post 690 game logs too just to further prove my point.



Moses Malone: Totals (1981-82 to 1989-90)

1990	697	692	25389	5485	11332	.484	3	53	.057	5482	11279	.486	.484	5296	6753	.784	3541	5170	8711	1033	614	934	2283	1623	16269

[thomorino]

I'll handle this one.

Moses Malone played in 697 games from 1982-1990
692 of the 697 were starts.
Of the 692 starts, he jumped center (care to guess)
That's right 692 times.

Where I come from we call you a pathological liar.
You can't help yourself.
You don't do research, you make shit up as you believe, post it as fact, get proven wrong, and spin, spin, spin.
It's hilarious, pathetic too.

You post opinions as fact and expect people to buy your bullshit.

Would you like for me to post 690 game logs too just to further prove my point.



Moses Malone: Totals (1981-82 to 1989-90)

1990	697	692	25389	5485	11332	.484	3	53	.057	5482	11279	.486	.484	5296	6753	.784	3541	5170	8711	1033	614	934	2283	1623	16269

Moses Malone couldn't shoot, Embiid is one of the best shooting centers in the league. He's also better at everything else than Malone and he's 6 inches taller than him.

Your done, as usual.

[thomorino]

Shaq would have bullied you and Embiid little guy. I’d say “lace up” but we know you stuff those Twinkie toes in crocs.

Shaq would have collapsed in the middle of the third quarter in this up tempo era. He was far and out of shape much of his career. Just stop, you are unintelligent.

[stevenash]

The Knicks were trash exactly as I said they were. And they are showing that again this year. They made the playoffs because everyone else got hurt.

Just stop, you never win at anything, you are unintelligent.

Trash or no trash, you bet the Knicks would make the playoffs.
I never said they were good, I told you they had an outstanding chance to make the playoffs

a) Did they?
YES

b) did you lose that bet?
YES

c) did I win that bet?
YES

That was the bet, not if they were trash or not, but would they make the playoffs.

You lost.
AGAIN.

[mjsuax13]

Ewing and Robinsons barely scored 30 points more than once a month, Embiid has done almost 15 times just this month.

Embiid is better everything than both of them. Shooting, passing, post game, defense, literally everything.

Crawl back to your trailer, you are unintelligent.

You lost this thread about 1000 times today. Ewing and Robinson played in an “era” with actual centers and post play. Embiid can barely stay healthy.

We have covered this, I make more in one month than you do the entire year and I’m willing to prove it. Loser leaves forum. Let’s go.

[stevenash]

Moses Malone couldn't shoot, Embiid is one of the best shooting centers in the league. He's also better at everything else than Malone and he's 6 inches taller than him.

Your done, as usual.

FOCUS MAN, FOCUS

I'm proving that he jumped center, not if he could shoot.

Do you suffer from ADHD or something?
You can't focus.

[mjsuax13]

Moses Malone couldn't shoot, Embiid is one of the best shooting centers in the league. He's also better at everything else than Malone and he's 6 inches taller than him.

Your done, as usual.

Trash response. Did Malone play center moron?

[mjsuax13]

Shaq would have collapsed in the middle of the third quarter in this up tempo era. He was far and out of shape much of his career. Just stop, you are unintelligent.

You keep going back and forth on eras. Regardless, Embiid barely cracks top 20 centers EVER as it stands today. Find a new hobby, this isn’t working out.

[stevenash]

Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

[stevenash]

Originally Posted by thomorino
Moses Malone couldn't shoot, Embiid is one of the best shooting centers in the league. He's also better at everything else than Malone and he's 6 inches taller than him.

Your done, as usual.

What's Jokic's FG percentage this year.
Embid?
Who's the better shooter?

And Embid takes way more shots in the paint.

If I have to post the shot selection charts I'll make you cry.

[mjsuax13]

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[thomorino]

Trash or no trash, you bet the Knicks would make the playoffs.
I never said they were good, I told you they had an outstanding chance to make the playoffs

a) Did they?
YES

b) did you lose that bet?
YES

c) did I win that bet?
YES

That was the bet, not if they were trash or not, but would they make the playoffs.

You lost.
AGAIN.

You lost this thread about 1000 times today. Ewing and Robinson played in an “era” with actual centers and post play. Embiid can barely stay healthy.

We have covered this, I make more in one month than you do the entire year and I’m willing to prove it. Loser leaves forum. Let’s go.

FOCUS MAN, FOCUS

I'm proving that he jumped center, not if he could shoot.

Do you suffer from ADHD or something?
You can't focus.

Trash response. Did Malone play center moron?

You keep going back and forth on eras. Regardless, Embiid barely cracks top 20 centers EVER as it stands today. Find a new hobby, this isn’t working out.

Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

Malone shot under 10% from 3 point range, Embiid is an elite mid-range shooter and one of the best 3 point shooters for a big in the whole league.

Embiid is a better athlete than Malone and he's nearly, for the fourth time, 6 inches taller.

Ewing was lucky to score 30 points 10 times in a season, Embiid did it in a week.

The Knicks were trash exactly as I said they were, they got completely exposed and dominated by an Atlanta team that is nothing special.

Just stop.

Unintelligent posts from unintelligent posters.

[thomorino]

Originally Posted by thomorino
Moses Malone couldn't shoot, Embiid is one of the best shooting centers in the league. He's also better at everything else than Malone and he's 6 inches taller than him.

Your done, as usual.

What's Jokic's FG percentage this year.
Embid?
Who's the better shooter?

And Embid takes way more shots in the paint.

If I have to post the shot selection charts I'll make you cry.

Embiid is a far better mid-range shooter than Jokic, Jokic is the slightly better 3 point shooter.

Jokic plays no defense and has no impact on the game defensively, Embiid controls games and dominates on both sides of the floor.

Embiid is better than Jokic, and its not close either.

Just stop.

[mjsuax13]

Malone shot under 10% from 3 point range, Embiid is an elite mid-range shooter and one of the best 3 point shooters for a big in the whole league.

Embiid is a better athlete than Malone and he's nearly, for the fourth time, 6 inches taller.

Ewing was lucky to score 30 points 10 times in a season, Embiid did it in a week.

The Knicks were trash exactly as I said they were, they got completely exposed and dominated by an Atlanta team that is nothing special.

Just stop.

Unintelligent posts from unintelligent posters.

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Embiid scored 30 points more in a month than those players in your photos have scored in a season. Just stop.

[mjsuax13]

Malone shot under 10% from 3 point range, Embiid is an elite mid-range shooter and one of the best 3 point shooters for a big in the whole league.

Embiid is a better athlete than Malone and he's nearly, for the fourth time, 6 inches taller.

Ewing was lucky to score 30 points 10 times in a season, Embiid did it in a week.

The Knicks were trash exactly as I said they were, they got completely exposed and dominated by an Atlanta team that is nothing special.

Just stop.

Unintelligent posts from unintelligent posters.

Let’s cherry pick stats. You lost dumb shit.

[thomorino]

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Embiid has been healthy and great the last several years, you are living in the past.

[thomorino]

Let’s cherry pick stats. You lost dumb shit.

Embiid is a great shooter, Malone couldn't shoot. Embiid is a great defender and he's 6 inches taller than Malone. He also faces stronger competition almost every night than Malone did.

Just stop.

This is getting embarrassing.

[stevenash]

Embiid is a far better mid-range shooter than Jokic, Jokic is the slightly better 3 point shooter.

Jokic plays no defense and has no impact on the game defensively, Embiid controls games and dominates on both sides of the floor.

Embiid is better than Jokic, and its not close either.

Just stop.

Data proves otherwise.
Data proves Jokic is elite on defense.

You have not disproved any of this.


Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

[thomorino]

Data proves otherwise.
Data proves Jokic is elite on defense.

You have not disproved any of this.


Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?

I stopped reading after you said Jokic was elite on defense. You are an embarrassment and your arguments are an embarrassment as well.

Shut up. You are unintelligent.

Jokic can't even cover guards, Embiid is elite defensively.

[mjsuax13]

Embiid is a great shooter, Malone couldn't shoot. Embiid is a great defender and he's 6 inches taller than Malone. He also faces stronger competition almost every night than Malone did.

Just stop.

This is getting embarrassing.

You said Embiid was top 5 ever. Elaborate. You lost. It’s only a matter of time before this ticket is up in flames like your -65 NBA thread. Rolling over -197 and -59 the prior 2 years. Get those FADES UP!

[thomorino]

You said Embiid was top 5 ever. Elaborate. You lost. It’s only a matter of time before this ticket is up in flames like your -65 NBA thread. Rolling over -197 and -59 the prior 2 years. Get those FADES UP!

You tried to argue Patrick Ewing is better than Embiid. You lost the argument before it started. Just stop. You are unintelligent.

[stevenash]

You can't back up what you post as fact.
I did.
And you can't disprove this.


Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?


Just like you could not prove Murray had a better playoff series than Jokic.
BECAUSE HE DID NOT PLAY.

Stop making shit up, nobody believes you.

[stevenash]

Moses Malone jumped center 96 percent in every game he played in his career.


Stop making shit up, nobody believes you.

[jjgold]

The problem with embiid his teams too many bad losses

He can’t win now

[stevenash]

^
He's not a winner.
He cares about a MVP trophy and nothing else.
He doesn't give a shit about team.

He's me first.
A loser.

[thomorino]

^
He's not a winner.
He cares about a MVP trophy and nothing else.
He doesn't give a shit about team.

He's me first.
A loser.

He is a winner, which is why Philadelphia has a better record than Denver. Just stop.

[thomorino]

You can't back up what you post as fact.
I did.
And you can't disprove this.


Now focus Thom.

Disprove this.
You haven't yet.



Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

More efficient?
Really.

Down the stretch Embid was garbage.
Down the stretch Embid was (according to your silly numbers) -6 BMI when Isaah Hartenstein was on the floor.
ISAAH HARTENSTEIN

Question?
How do you know when you're an overrated mediocre defender?

Answer,
When ISAAH HATENSTEIN makes you his personal meat puppet.
He made Embid cry in the fourth quarter.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times.
The best one was late in the fourth, with the game in balance, Embid's pass to Batum.
One problem, Batum plays for the OTHER TEAM

That was a four point swing, and Embid's team lost by one.
That wasn't a MVP type pass.
MVP's don't choke like that.

Efficiency?
Embid turned the ball over five times that led to 11 Clipper points.
Not very effecient.

Know what's effecient?
Jokic has 12 assists and no turnovers.
That's a 12:0 ratio
That's how math works.

!2:0 assist to turnover ratio are Hall of Fame John Stockton numbers.
And Jokic is a seven foot center, not a Hall of Fame point guard.

There's a word that describes that performance.
FLAWLESS
(Perfect comes to mind too)
But let's stick with flawless, without flaw.
Unlike you analytical debating skills, that, has a ton of flaws.

Steals?
That seven foot, flawless center had two swipes last night.
Your guy, close your eyes, what do you see?
That's right? Zero.

How can you tell me with a straight face Embid is elite on defense when in reality he's just mediocre.
Don't take my word for it, take the word of the NBA's metrics, the ones that matter.
They say Jokic is the elite defender, the NBA metrics also say Turner and Gobert (and Jokic) are better defensive centers.

OK, I'll JUST STOP now.
I just used NBA official metrics to prove my point that Jokic is the more efficient center, better defender, and every other superlative you choose to use.

Now, counter my arguments with facts and hard data without using words like dum*shit, or unintelligent.
I just did.

What can you counter with?
That Embid wants the MVP trophy and he begged the coach to leave him in because the MVP means more to him than anything else.
That's what you said the other day.
That's what I call a 'me first, screw the team' player.

What can you counter me with?
That Jokic wasn't even the best player on his team last season in the playoffs and that Murray was?
Oh wait...

This is why I don't debate you anymore.
You don't do any homework, no research, you just ram your opinions down everybody's throats as fact.
And we've exposed this to be true numerous times.
The difference between the two of us is I'm a research hound, you're not.
If you were you'd pause for a minute and verify what you want to say before you say it.

You see pal, an opinion without facts to back it up is just that, an opinion.
You have the right to your opinion, shit, I'd strap a rifle on my back and go to war for that right.
And don't say I wouldn't, I would, I come from military.

Difference is I back my opinions with stone cold data backed by official league numbers.
My opinions are backed with facts.
Your opinions are backed with "Because I said so"
That's one of my problems with you.

Oh, each and every time on those rare occasions that my facts are off, this is what I do.
I say something like "Good catch, my bad, thanks for that, I made a mistake, thanks"
There's a word for that, it's called class.

When you're called out on a mistake you used to respond with "you're a d*mbshit"
Now you use the term "you're unintelligent"
There's a word for that too, it's called CRASS.


Here's the list of last night's top performers as rated by the NBA.
Not you, not me, the NBA
Jokic was for the second game he played in running, the top performer.
He had his 12th triple double, he scored (while going to the free throw line just three time) with over the top efficiency, and handled the ball flawlessly. That's the reason (backed with NBA data) he was yet again the NBA's top performer.
Jokic is so scary good he's on top of these nightly performance lists on a regular basis.
That's why he's the MVP favorite.
Embid is 8 to 1, or whatever the books are offering now for a reason.
They want to suck you in with a price they know they won't have to pay out because there's a very slim chance of that happening.


Oh, not for nothing, I don't use these 'silly charts' as a handicapping tool to bet games, I use them as side by side comparrisons.
That's why the NBA publishes these numbers.

Rk	Player	Tm		Opp		MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	+/-	GmSc
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN		MEM	L	40:11:00	11	16	0.688	2	4	0.5	2	3	0.667	3	8	11	12	2	1	0	3	26	0	33.2
2	James Harden	BRK	@	SAS	W	37:08:00	13	24	0.542	4	8	0.5	7	7	1	1	9	10	11	0	1	3	3	37	18	33
3	Joel Embiid	PHI		LAC	L	36:32:00	15	25	0.6	3	3	1	7	10	0.7	5	8	13	6	0	1	5	4	40	-6	31.5
4	DeMar DeRozan	CHI	@	MIL	L	38:27:00	9	18	0.5	0	3	0	17	18	0.944	1	5	6	3	0	0	1	0	35	1	28.9
5	Ja Morant	MEM	@	DEN	W	37:26:00	15	26	0.577	2	6	0.333	6	8	0.75	3	3	6	6	2	0	6	1	38	-3	27.8
6	Jusuf Nurkić	POR	@	BOS	W	37:51:00	9	16	0.563	1	1	1	10	13	0.769	6	11	17	6	1	1	5	4	29	20	27
7	Dejounte Murray	SAS		BRK	L	37:11:00	8	20	0.4	1	3	0.333	8	8	1	4	8	12	10	1	0	1	3	25	-15	25.2
8	Rudy Gobert	UTA		DET	W	32:18:00	8	11	0.727	0	0		8	11	0.727	4	10	14	1	0	4	2	4	24	-5	24
9	Fred VanVleet	TOR	@	WAS	W	39:01:00	6	17	0.353	4	11	0.364	5	5	1	1	0	1	12	2	2	1	1	21	8	22.6
10	Shai Gilgeous-Alexander	OKC	@	CHO	L	33:14:00	10	23	0.435	1	3	0.333	8	9	0.889	2	3	5	6	1	1	1	3	29	-10	22.5

Don't come back at me with your silly "I challenge you to a handicapping contest"
I won't accept, don't do business with you.

Don't come back at me with "you're a coward" I'll just laugh in your face.

Don't comeback at me with "d*mbshit" you'll get banned.


Come back at me with opinions to debate my opinions with facts, not pejorative.
Intelligent facts that you can back up.

Can you do that?


Just like you could not prove Murray had a better playoff series than Jokic.
BECAUSE HE DID NOT PLAY.

Stop making shit up, nobody believes you.

Moses Malone jumped center 96 percent in every game he played in his career.


Stop making shit up, nobody believes you.

Murray averaged far more per points per game than Jokic when Denver went to the conference finals.

Control Murray and you control Denver, Jokic is a star but he can't takeover in big games the way Murray and Embiid do and, again, he's an average defender.

Embiid is better than Jokic at everything except passing, and its not close.

Just stop.

[stevenash]

Murray averaged far more per points per game than Jokic when Denver went to the conference finals.

Control Murray and you control Denver, Jokic is a star but he can't takeover in big games the way Murray and Embiid do and, again, he's an average defender.

Embiid is better than Jokic at everything except passing, and its not close.

Just stop.

Murray didn't play in the conference finals.
Denver didn't play in the conference finals.
Phoenix, the team you called trash swept them


Stop making shit up, nobody believes you.