Good Value on Joel Embiid to win the MVP at +1600

[Bostongambler]

Embiid is 7-4, Malone was 6-10

Embiid is bigger, stronger, and a better athlete. The athleticism of players int he NBA now shits on where the league was 20 years ago when Malone played.

Embiid would dominate Malone one on one, he almost 6 inches taller than him

Where are you seeing he is 7’4???? He is listed at 7’0 everywhere.


The game was way more physical when Moses played and he would knock people around and get 20 and 15 on the regular.

[thomorino]

Who's having a better offensive season?
(The guy listed on the top of ANY metric you use)

			Stats												Ratings
	Player	Team	G	MIN	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FGA	FT%	FTA	Overall	PTS	REB	AST	STL	BLK	3PM	FG%	FT%
1	Nikola Jokic	DEN	39	1291	1011	541	294	54	31	60	57.2	689	78.7	207	1.34	1.98	3.05	1.84	1.09	0.29	-0.12	2.49	0.07
2	Stephen Curry	GSW	42	1459	1103	224	261	61	20	206	42	846	91.2	205	1.2	2.43	-0.06	1.45	1.58	-0.28	3.66	-1.48	2.29
3	James Harden	BKN	40	1480	918	322	401	52	29	96	42.1	639	86.6	328	1.1	1.53	0.9	3.1	0.95	0.19	0.82	-1.05	2.39
4	Trae Young	ATL	41	1426	1144	162	386	40	4	115	45.5	840	90.1	294	0.98	2.63	-0.67	2.92	0.12	-1.1	1.31	-0.44	3.04
5	Kevin Durant	BKN	36	1313	1053	267	207	28	34	67	52	729	89.4	255	0.86	2.19	0.36	0.81	-0.72	0.44	0.06	1.3	2.46
6	Fred VanVleet	TOR	40	1525	872	188	277	66	21	156	42.4	698	86.7	143	0.81	1.3	-0.42	1.63	1.93	-0.23	2.37	-1.08	1.01
7	LeBron James	LAL	34	1245	981	258	217	54	38	97	51.7	710	75.8	198	0.79	1.83	0.27	0.92	1.09	0.65	0.84	1.2	-0.45
8	Chris Paul	PHX	44	1419	617	189	440	85	15	42	47.9	489	84.3	127	0.77	0.05	-0.41	3.56	3.25	-0.53	-0.58	0.22	0.62
9	Dejounte Murray	SAS	41	1407	791	347	366	82	16	57	45	734	73.3	101	0.76	0.9	1.14	2.69	3.04	-0.48	-0.19	-0.49	-0.49
10	Karl-Anthony Towns	MIN	38	1313	924	350	141	41	45	84	51.9	636	80.7	223	0.76	1.55	1.17	0.03	0.19	1.01	0.5	1.14	0.46
11	Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	39	1276	1116	440	235	40	58	42	53.1	729	71.4	420	0.75	2.5	2.06	1.14	0.12	1.68	-0.58	1.58	-2.45
12	Donovan Mitchell	UTA	40	1340	1020	158	206	64	9	128	45	826	87.6	169	0.69	2.03	-0.71	0.79	1.79	-0.84	1.64	-0.55	1.34
13	Domantas Sabonis	IND	44	1534	834	523	214	44	19	34	57.7	537	74.4	242	0.68	1.11	2.87	0.89	0.4	-0.33	-0.79	2.08	-0.82
14	Jayson Tatum	BOS	43	1583	1085	368	164	41	33	109	41.6	900	84.1	271	0.67	2.35	1.35	0.3	0.19	0.39	1.15	-1.71	1.38
15	LaMelo Ball	CHA	39	1239	741	286	301	62	17	105	41.8	644	88.3	111	0.65	0.66	0.54	1.92	1.65	-0.43	1.05	-1.13	0.92
16	Joel Embiid	PHI	34	1117	965	362	143	35	47	45	49.8	624	81.4	366	0.65	1.76	1.29	0.05	-0.23	1.11	-0.51	0.67	1.03
17	Rudy Gobert	UTA	41	1328	658	615	46	32	95	0	71.4	325	68.8	282	0.62	0.25	3.77	-1.1	-0.44	3.58	-1.67	2.88	-2.32
18	Miles Bridges	CHA	44	1586	884	328	158	49	39	87	48.2	695	77	165	0.59	1.36	0.96	0.23	0.74	0.7	0.58	0.33	-0.22
19	Jaren Jackson	MEM	47	1294	775	269	50	47	104	82	41.4	637	81.7	202	0.58	0.82	0.38	-1.05	0.61	4.04	0.45	-1.19	0.58
20	Tyrese Haliburton	SAC	43	1463	591	167	304	71	31	88	46.7	475	81.9	72	0.58	-0.08	-0.62	1.95	2.28	0.29	0.61	0.04	0.17

Wrong. Embiid was hurt at the beginning of the year. He's dominating now - on both sides of the ball.

[thomorino]

Where are you seeing he is 7’4???? He is listed at 7’0 everywhere.


The game was way more physical when Moses played and he would knock people around and get 20 and 15 on the regular.

Embiid is far bigger stronger, and more athletic than Moses Malone. He's also a mich better shooter than Malone.

Just stop.

[stevenash]

Wrong. Embiid was hurt at the beginning of the year. He's dominating now - on both sides of the ball.

You still haven't provided facts yet.
Your opinion is just that, an opinion.
My opinions are fact driven, yours, not.

[Bostongambler]

Embiid is far bigger stronger, and more athletic than Moses Malone. He's also a mich better shooter than Malone.

Just stop.

Ok dude I’m ending you here. I’ll give you that if I were to start a team and needed a center both Embiid & Jokic would be neck and neck on who I would take. But I would take Jokic only because of Embiid is hurt a lot.



But as far as who was better between Moses and Embiid, it’s not even close. Like saying who is better Jordan or Marcus Smart.


Malone had 27,000 points
Embiid has 7,400 points

Malone had 17,000 rebounds
Embiid has 3,000 rebounds.

Teams neede to double team Moses just to keep him under 30.


WTF is wrong with you.

[thomorino]

You still haven't provided facts yet.
Your opinion is just that, an opinion.
My opinions are fact driven, yours, not.

Wrong again. Embiid has a better plus- minus, his team has a better record, he's scoring more in fewer minutes.

Just stop.

[thomorino]

Ok dude I’m ending you here. I’ll give you that if I were to start a team and needed a center both Embiid & Jokic would be neck and neck on who I would take. But I would take Jokic only because of Embiid is hurt a lot.



But as far as who was better between Moses and Embiid, it’s not even close. Like saying who is better Jordan or Marcus Smart.


Malone had 27,000 points
Embiid has 7,400 points

Malone had 17,000 rebounds
Embiid has 3,000 rebounds.

Teams neede to double team Moses just to keep him under 30.


WTF is wrong with you.

Dumb post, Malone played longe, Embiid will destroy all those records by the time he's done.

[ridgeway]

Embiid is pretzel boy. Always hurt and never health when it counts!

[stevenash]

Here's what the NBA uses.
It's the same model they used and I used when I disproved your ridiculous claim that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
If I recall you laid -130 on a +150 prop, flushed 80 cents of juice down the toilet while the Knicks easily made the playoffs.
And I tried 100 times in a professional manner too to get you off the Knicks prop.

Same model here.
Jokic 30 percent chance of winning MVP
Embid not even nine percent.
What makes you think you know more than 10 million dollars worth of computer hardware and software.
You just don't know how math works.

2021-22 NBA MVP Award Tracker

Rk	Player	Team	W	L	W/L%	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK		Prob%
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN	23	21	0.523	39	39	33.1	10.1	17.7	0.572	1.5	4.2	0.37	8.6	13.5	0.634	0.615	4.2	5.3	0.787	2.8	11.1	13.9	7.5	1.4	0.8		30.10%
2	Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	29	19	0.604	39	39	32.7	9.9	18.7	0.531	1.1	3.8	0.282	8.8	14.9	0.595	0.56	7.7	10.8	0.714	1.8	9.5	11.3	6	1	1.5		23.00%
3	Kevin Durant	BRK	29	16	0.644	36	36	36.5	10.5	20.3	0.52	1.9	5	0.372	8.7	15.3	0.568	0.566	6.3	7.1	0.894	0.6	6.9	7.4	5.8	0.8	0.9		9.50%
4	Joel Embiid	PHI	26	19	0.578	34	34	32.9	9.1	18.4	0.498	1.3	3.4	0.391	7.8	15	0.523	0.534	8.8	10.8	0.814	2	8.7	10.6	4.2	1	1.4		8.70%
5	Rudy Gobert	UTA	30	16	0.652	41	41	32.4	5.7	7.9	0.714	0	0	0	5.7	7.9	0.716	0.714	4.7	6.9	0.688	3.6	11.4	15	1.1	0.8	2.3		6.30%
6	Chris Paul	PHO	35	9	0.795	44	44	32.3	5.3	11.1	0.479	1	3	0.321	4.4	8.1	0.536	0.521	2.4	2.9	0.843	0.3	4	4.3	10	1.9	0.3		6.30%
7	James Harden	BRK	29	16	0.644	40	40	37	6.7	16	0.421	2.4	7.1	0.339	4.3	8.9	0.486	0.496	7.1	8.2	0.866	1	7.1	8.1	10	1.3	0.7		5.50%
8	Stephen Curry	GSW	33	13	0.717	42	42	34.7	8.5	20.1	0.42	4.9	12.8	0.384	3.5	7.4	0.482	0.541	4.5	4.9	0.912	0.6	4.8	5.3	6.2	1.5	0.5		5.10%
9	LeBron James	LAL	23	23	0.5	34	34	36.6	10.8	20.9	0.517	2.9	7.9	0.362	7.9	13	0.611	0.585	4.4	5.8	0.758	1.1	6.5	7.6	6.4	1.6	1.1		3.10%
10	Ja Morant	MEM	32	16	0.667	35	35	32.6	9.3	19.1	0.489	1.6	4.4	0.357	7.7	14.7	0.528	0.53	4.9	6.3	0.776	1.3	4.5	5.8	6.9	1.3	0.4		2.50%

[stevenash]

Embid and Jokic both average 33 minutes a game.
Jokic makes 57 percent of his shots, Embid less than half.
And Embid plays more under the rim, he dunks so much more.
Don't make me post shot selection charts, I'll make you cry.

[Bostongambler]

Embid and Jokic both average 33 minutes a game.
Jokic makes 57 percent of his shots, Embid less than half.
And Embid plays more under the rim, he dunks so much more.
Don't make me post shot selection charts, I'll make you cry.

Lol... Steve with the Dagger 🗡

[stevenash]

Lol... Steve with the Dagger 

Where is his talk show if he's that good?
How is it he knows more than guys like Kenny the Jet, and whoever that gets paid millions do this his shit.

How is it that everybody on the NBA planet all the same thing, Jokic is the clear league MVP and Thom here says everybody is wrong?

Did you see his conversation with the Timberwolf team exec online Thom had regarding Towns.
Thom pretty much was arguing with a executive of the T-Wolves that Towns was garbage.
The exec said pretty much "Do you watch much NBA on TV" or something to that effect.

Wait a few minutes, I cut and pasted that conversation and saved it.
I'll post that if you want.

[clockwise1965]

Embid and Jokic both average 33 minutes a game.
Jokic makes 57 percent of his shots, Embid less than half.
And Embid plays more under the rim, he dunks so much more.
Don't make me post shot selection charts, I'll make you cry.

Mic drop
Point proven
End of thread

[stevenash]

Lastly, I'm not saying Embid is garbage, he is not.
But to prefer Embid over Jokic is like saying I prefer chuck steak over filet.

Yeesh.
Enough, I'm watching football.

[mjsuax13]

Malone didn't play center and Embiid is better than Ewing in every way, Mikan wouldn't score a point on embiid, he's better than Robinson, who never won anything without Duncan. Shaq couldn't shoot.

You don't even mention Kareem, who shits on most of the players you mentioned.

Top 5 center all-time.

Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Embiid, shaq

Kareem was the first guy I mentioned. Can you read? What has Embiid won or accomplished? Seriously. Name one thing. Malone 100% a center. Robinson prime would bully Embiid because he’s soft. Shaq would crush his entire career. Where do you get your information?

[mjsuax13]

The fact you thought Karl Malone played center disqualifies you from ever talking basketball again.

Mark Eaton was one of the best defensive centers their was.

Moses Malone you moron. What planet are you on? Every person in a thread about centers would know that. Except you. You don’t know anything about basketball, NBA history or betting. Embiid Top 5. Bahahahahahahaha

[mjsuax13]

What do you mean wrong. 😂

I’m 100% right when he mentioned Malone he was referring to Mosses . You can’t even admit you were wrong. Ya, he was talking about Karl. 😂. You tool.


And when he mentions Robinson was he referring to Remeal Robinson?

Unbelievable. This is what he does when he is wrong, which is in every thread. He’s hyper ventilating his response without thinking.

2020 Bubble: -59 units
2021 NBA: -197 units
2022 NBA: on pace for -300 units

[chargers4222]

Just a friendly reminder to anyone posting serious replies to this thread or attempting to engage in earnest conversation/debate — this person is severely mentally ill.

[mjsuax13]

Malone was a power forward most of his career, he was 6-10, not big enough to play center.

Embiid is a top 5 soccer rebounder and defender, he's the best center in the league, and it's not that close.

“A power forward most his career!”

Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.

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[mjsuax13]

Just a friendly reminder to anyone posting serious replies to this thread or attempting to engage in earnest conversation/debate — this person is severely mentally ill.

Never surprised by the resident piñata but he has to be used to losing… so why doesn’t he take the loss and move on. Like his -562.9 records since August 2020

[thomorino]

Just a friendly reminder to anyone posting serious replies to this thread or attempting to engage in earnest conversation/debate — this person is severely mentally ill.

You spend your life posting trash in my threads 24 hours a day. You are on of the most mentally ill people that is alive.

Your post history today is just one of any examples of how dumb and limit d you are

[mjsuax13]

You spend your life posting trash in my threads 24 hours a day. You are on of the most mentally ill people that is alive.

Your post history today is just one of any examples of how dumb and limit d you are

*one
*many
*limited

[thomorino]

Mic drop
Point proven
End of thread

Lastly, I'm not saying Embid is garbage, he is not.
But to prefer Embid over Jokic is like saying I prefer chuck steak over filet.

Yeesh.
Enough, I'm watching football.

Kareem was the first guy I mentioned. Can you read? What has Embiid won or accomplished? Seriously. Name one thing. Malone 100% a center. Robinson prime would bully Embiid because he’s soft. Shaq would crush his entire career. Where do you get your information?

Moses Malone you moron. What planet are you on? Every person in a thread about centers would know that. Except you. You don’t know anything about basketball, NBA history or betting. Embiid Top 5. Bahahahahahahaha

Unbelievable. This is what he does when he is wrong, which is in every thread. He’s hyper ventilating his response without thinking.

2020 Bubble: -59 units
2021 NBA: -197 units
2022 NBA: on pace for -300 units

“A power forward most his career!”

Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.

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Never surprised by the resident piñata but he has to be used to losing… so why doesn’t he take the loss and move on. Like his -562.9 records since August 2020

Moses Malone okayed power forward for much of his NBA career and he's nothing close to what embiid is.

Embiid is a far better shooter and defender. Malone wasn't even a three point shooter.

Embiid is nearly 6 inches taller than Malone, it's not close. Malone was good in a league where the speed and athleticism was nothing close to what it is in the NBA today.

Jist stop.

[thomorino]

Here's what the NBA uses.
It's the same model they used and I used when I disproved your ridiculous claim that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
If I recall you laid -130 on a +150 prop, flushed 80 cents of juice down the toilet while the Knicks easily made the playoffs.
And I tried 100 times in a professional manner too to get you off the Knicks prop.

Same model here.
Jokic 30 percent chance of winning MVP
Embid not even nine percent.
What makes you think you know more than 10 million dollars worth of computer hardware and software.
You just don't know how math works.

2021-22 NBA MVP Award Tracker

Rk	Player	Team	W	L	W/L%	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	2P	2PA	2P%	eFG%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK		Prob%
1	Nikola Jokić	DEN	23	21	0.523	39	39	33.1	10.1	17.7	0.572	1.5	4.2	0.37	8.6	13.5	0.634	0.615	4.2	5.3	0.787	2.8	11.1	13.9	7.5	1.4	0.8		30.10%
2	Giannis Antetokounmpo	MIL	29	19	0.604	39	39	32.7	9.9	18.7	0.531	1.1	3.8	0.282	8.8	14.9	0.595	0.56	7.7	10.8	0.714	1.8	9.5	11.3	6	1	1.5		23.00%
3	Kevin Durant	BRK	29	16	0.644	36	36	36.5	10.5	20.3	0.52	1.9	5	0.372	8.7	15.3	0.568	0.566	6.3	7.1	0.894	0.6	6.9	7.4	5.8	0.8	0.9		9.50%
4	Joel Embiid	PHI	26	19	0.578	34	34	32.9	9.1	18.4	0.498	1.3	3.4	0.391	7.8	15	0.523	0.534	8.8	10.8	0.814	2	8.7	10.6	4.2	1	1.4		8.70%
5	Rudy Gobert	UTA	30	16	0.652	41	41	32.4	5.7	7.9	0.714	0	0	0	5.7	7.9	0.716	0.714	4.7	6.9	0.688	3.6	11.4	15	1.1	0.8	2.3		6.30%
6	Chris Paul	PHO	35	9	0.795	44	44	32.3	5.3	11.1	0.479	1	3	0.321	4.4	8.1	0.536	0.521	2.4	2.9	0.843	0.3	4	4.3	10	1.9	0.3		6.30%
7	James Harden	BRK	29	16	0.644	40	40	37	6.7	16	0.421	2.4	7.1	0.339	4.3	8.9	0.486	0.496	7.1	8.2	0.866	1	7.1	8.1	10	1.3	0.7		5.50%
8	Stephen Curry	GSW	33	13	0.717	42	42	34.7	8.5	20.1	0.42	4.9	12.8	0.384	3.5	7.4	0.482	0.541	4.5	4.9	0.912	0.6	4.8	5.3	6.2	1.5	0.5		5.10%
9	LeBron James	LAL	23	23	0.5	34	34	36.6	10.8	20.9	0.517	2.9	7.9	0.362	7.9	13	0.611	0.585	4.4	5.8	0.758	1.1	6.5	7.6	6.4	1.6	1.1		3.10%
10	Ja Morant	MEM	32	16	0.667	35	35	32.6	9.3	19.1	0.489	1.6	4.4	0.357	7.7	14.7	0.528	0.53	4.9	6.3	0.776	1.3	4.5	5.8	6.9	1.3	0.4		2.50%

Th knicks were trash and exactly as I said they were and they were and they got contracts exposed by Atlanta.

Embiid had injuries earlier in the year, for the second time. He's been far better than Jokic for months now.

Jokic has no impact defensively, Embiid is elite defensively. Embiid dominates in the post and the paint, Jokic is nothing special in the post or paint and he's rarely even doubled.

Embiid takes over games and dominat a on both sides of the ball, Jojo's isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs. Philadelphia has a better record because Embiid is better.

Your charts and analysis as usual are trash. Your trash charts had Jimmy Butler ahead of Durant and Curry for MVP.

Just stop, put your worthless charts down and buy a tv.

[mjsuax13]

“A power forward most his career!”

Well, see below. What is certain is you have been a loser your entire career.

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Malone played power forward!

[thomorino]

Malone played power forward!

Shut up you dumb turd. You know nothing.

Patrick Ewing couldn't shoot 3's or dream of doing a euro step, Embiid does both every night.

I don't recall Ewing hitting a single 3 point shot in a meaningful game, Embiid hits multiple 3 point shots each night. Embiid scores 30 points almost every night, Ewing scored 30 once a month at most.

Stop talking.

Embiid, Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Shaq.

Robinson and Ewing aren't on Embiid's level, and its clear.

[Bostongambler]

Th knicks were trash and exactly as I said they were and they were and they got contracts exposed by Atlanta.

Embiid had injuries earlier in the year, for the second time. He's been far better than Jokic for months now.

Jokic has no impact defensively, Embiid is elite defensively. Embiid dominates in the post and the paint, Jokic is nothing special in the post or paint and he's rarely even doubled.

Embiid takes over games and dominat a on both sides of the ball, Jojo's isn't even the best player on his own team in the playoffs. Philadelphia has a better record because Embiid is better.

Your charts and analysis as usual are trash. Your trash charts had Jimmy Butler ahead of Durant and Curry for MVP.

Just stop, put your worthless charts down and buy a tv.

You have said soooo many stupid, moronic, dumb things out here. But Embiid being better than Malone is the tops.

[Bostongambler]

Shut up you dumb turd. You know nothing.

Patrick Ewing couldn't shoot 3's or dream of doing a euro step, Embiid does both every night.

I don't recall Ewing hitting a single 3 point shot in a meaningful game, Embiid hits multiple 3 point shots each night. Embiid scores 30 points almost every night, Ewing scored 30 once a month at most.

Stop talking.

Embiid, Kareem, Wilt, Olajuwon, Shaq.

Robinson and Ewing aren't on Embiid's level, and its clear.

What has he won, jackass???? Nothing.

[thomorino]

You have said soooo many stupid, moronic, dumb things out here. But Embiid being better than Malone is the tops.

You are dumb. Embiid is a better shooter than Malone, he almost, again, 6 inches taller than him. Embiid shoots 3's, Malone barley could shoot a mid-range shot. Embiid is also going against far stronger competition every night. The NBA is a hundred times more atheltic now than it was 40 years.

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Embiid would own Malone, again, he's almost 6 inches taller than him.

[Bostongambler]

Ask Shaq where he would list him. He would say, who.

[thomorino]

What has he won, jackass???? Nothing.

It is a team game you moron, Embiid has never had a second superstar or even star for a full season.

[thomorino]

Ask Shaq where he would list him. He would say, who.

Shaq couldn't shoot and didn't play defense until later in his career. You are unintelligent.

[Bostongambler]

You are dumb. Embiid is a better shooter than Malone, he almost, again, 6 inches taller than him. Embiid shoots 3's, Malone barley could shoot a mid-range shot. Embiid is also going against far stronger competition every night. The NBA is a hundred times more atheltic now than it was 40 years.

Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself. Embiid would own Malone, again, he's almost 6 inches taller than him.

You Fukken moron. Embiid is listed at 7’0 everywhere. Where do you come up with him being 7’4??? Malone was listed 6”10- 6”11.

[stevenash]

Th knicks were trash and exactly as I said they were and they were and they got contracts exposed by Atlanta.

You laid -130 that the Knicks would not make the playoffs.
They did EXACTLY what you said they WOULD NOT do.
You lost that bet.
I won that bet.

Do you believe your own shit?
I'll answer, yes you do.

[Bostongambler]

In his prime Moses Malone would score 40 on him and grab 20 rebounds. He would be knocking Embiid all over the court.