Hines Ward.... Hall of Famer?

**jjgold** · 05-06-10, 09:15 AM

Ways away

Too early, injury away from NO

**Dank_Fire** · 05-06-10, 09:16 AM

Yes...after he does a stint with NFL Network

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 09:18 AM

I think his stats might already be there JJ.... but I just don't think that he was ever head and shoulders above his peers

**kato** · 05-06-10, 09:23 AM

yes

**gryfyn1** · 05-06-10, 10:08 AM

IF, he retires right now an never plays again -- I'm not so sure, if he does it takes a long time for him to get in, his numbers are slightly less than Art Monk (in about 2 less seasons).

It took a Monk awhile to get in, plus Ward has the benifit of playing in a more pass first era.

I think Ward will play 2-3 more solid years, which will put him around 1100 recpetions, 13000 yeards and 100 TDs, which would make him HoF Worthy

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 11:36 AM

good reponse gryer.....

yeah I honestly thought the guy would be done before he was 30, with the hits he takes and gives.... he is like a RB... 13 seasons is alot for any position, but more than a few have had long successful careers at that position

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 11:40 AM

He is LOCK, even if never plays another down.

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 11:41 AM

nah, he's no lock....

**Doc JS** · 05-06-10, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

He is LOCK, even if never plays another down.

I'm not so sure about that.

I think he has been a very good, borderline great player but, at best, he's a borderline HOF candidate at this point, IMHO...

Doc

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 11:46 AM

how many pro bowls has he even been to? not more than 5 I would think.....

I'm a huge stillers fan, and Hines has always been my favorite player, even when he was just drafted and a special teamer..... I loved him at Georgia even....

but just can't see him being a lock, when like I said before, he has almost always been the SECOND best receiver on his own team

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Chi_archie

nah, he's no lock....

Are you joking??????

1. On November 27, 2005, Ward became the Steelers all-time leading receiver with his 538th catch.

2. SUPERBOWL MVP

3. On December 2, 2007, Ward became the Steelers all-time touchdown receptions leader with his 64th touchdown

4. On September 28, 2009, during the 2009 Season game against Cincinnati, Ward’s four catches for 82 yards vaulted him past 10,000 career receiving yards and made him the first wide receiver in Steelers’ history to achieve that plateau

5. Two Superbowl rings

6. One of the best blocking WR's of all-time

AGAIN, HE COULD NOT PLAY ANOTHER DOWN IN THE NFL AND HE WOULD BE A LARGE FAVORITE TO MAKE THE HOF...................

**mtneer1212** · 05-06-10, 11:50 AM

No way. Love Hines Ward. Great player. But he belongs in the Hall of Very Good, not in the Hall of Fame.

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 11:52 AM

I'm not even a fan of the semi-jackass, but he is a surefire HALL OF FAMER.........for goodness sakes gang.

**oldtim** · 05-06-10, 11:55 AM

I don't think he gets in.

**HenPrivilege** · 05-06-10, 11:55 AM

I hate the Steelers, but c'mon now, how many Steelers games have you guys watched? Hines Ward is always one of the best Football Players on the field. If you are a great all around football player, Canton will recognize it.

What makes Ward stand out is that he is a Steeler who plays physical, which adds to the Steelers mystique.

Ed Reed

Ward signaled to the Ravens bench for help

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 11:57 AM

just because he beat out super receivers that played 6-8 years, in an era where the Stillers ran the ball 65% of the time does not mean he is great....

against his contemporaries.... what years would you say Ward was even a top 5 receiver? meaning if you could pick any receiver from any team that year to be on your team...... I doubt he would be in 95% of people's top 5 lists year to year....

longevity is nice...but it shouldn't be a "lock" for HOF status

**HenPrivilege** · 05-06-10, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

Are you joking??????

1. On November 27, 2005, Ward became the Steelers all-time leading receiver with his 538th catch.

2. SUPERBOWL MVP

3. On December 2, 2007, Ward became the Steelers all-time touchdown receptions leader with his 64th touchdown

4. On September 28, 2009, during the 2009 Season game against Cincinnati, Ward’s four catches for 82 yards vaulted him past 10,000 career receiving yards and made him the first wide receiver in Steelers’ history to achieve that plateau

5. Two Superbowl rings

6. One of the best blocking WR's of all-time

AGAIN, HE COULD NOT PLAY ANOTHER DOWN IN THE NFL AND HE WOULD BE A LARGE FAVORITE TO MAKE THE HOF...................

x2

I'm beginning to believe 90% of the board don't know shit about sports and bet on teams by flipping coins.

The average football fan knows Hines Ward is not a joke and anybody would take him on their team.

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 12:03 PM

CHI-ARCH

You are way off here my friend, WARD is a surefire Hall of Famer..........

He is the all-time leading Steeler reciever in RECEPTIONS, TD'S, YARDS(by a ways in all three categories).............that alone is enough to qualify him and get him in.

Throw in two rings and a SB MVP and you have a free ticket to the HOF.....................

**Chi_archie** · 05-06-10, 12:24 PM

I think Troy Brown might be New England's all time leading receiver.......

should he be a lock for Canton?

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 12:32 PM

HINES WARD is a surefire HALL of FAMER.................no need for discussion whatsoever as this is so obvious.

I don't know how much more I need to spell it out for you.

SUPERBOWL MVP
GREAT BLOCKER, arguabbly one of best ever at WR
ALLTIME STEELER IN THE BIG THREE RECIEVING CATAGORIES

**Doc JS** · 05-06-10, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

HINES WARD is a surefire HALL of FAMER.................no need for discussion whatsoever as this is so obvious.

I don't know how much more I need to spell it out for you.

SUPERBOWL MVP
GREAT BLOCKER, arguabbly one of best ever at WR
ALLTIME STEELER IN THE BIG THREE RECIEVING CATAGORIES

Fish,
It's not as clear as you seem to think it is...

SUPERBOWL MVP - well, so was Doug Williams, and nobody is saying he should be in the HOF, are they?

GREAT BLOCKER - OK, I'll give ya that...but the position is receiver. Being a good blocker is certainly a good thing but it doesn't make you a HOF'er.

ALLTIME STEELER IN THE BIG THREE RECIEVING CATAGORIES - Great! Put him in the Steeler HOF! Yeah, I know that Lynn Swann and John Stalworth played for the Steelers back in the day, but their numbers are not impressive. Lynn Swann 336 receptions, 5462 yards, 51 TD's. He's not in the top 250 all time in receptions in the NFL. John Stalworth is 90th on the all time reception list with 537 receptions. (http://www.pro-football-reference.co...rec_career.htm)

Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rec Years Teams
1. Jerry Rice+ 1,549 1985-2004 3TM
2. Marvin Harrison 1,102 1996-2008 clt
3. Cris Carter 1,101 1987-2002 3TM
4. Tim Brown 1,094 1988-2004 2TM
5. Isaac Bruce (37) 1,024 1994-2009 2TM
6. Terrell Owens (36) 1,006 1996-2009 4TM
7. Tony Gonzalez (33) 999 1997-2009 2TM
8. Andre Reed 951 1985-2000 2TM
9. Art Monk+ 940 1980-1995 3TM
10. Randy Moss (32) 926 1998-2009 3TM
11. Torry Holt (33) 920 1999-2009 2TM
12. Hines Ward (33) 895 1998-2009 pit
13. Keenan McCardell 883 1992-2007 5TM
14. Derrick Mason (35) 863 1997-2009 2TM

Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active TD Years Teams
1. Jerry Rice+ 197 1985-2004 3TM
2. Randy Moss (32) 148 1998-2009 3TM
3. Terrell Owens (36) 144 1996-2009 4TM
4. Cris Carter 130 1987-2002 3TM
5. Marvin Harrison 128 1996-2008 clt
6. Steve Largent+ 100 1976-1989 sea
Tim Brown 100 1988-2004 2TM
8. Don Hutson+ 99 1935-1945 gnb
9. Isaac Bruce (37) 91 1994-2009 2TM
10. Don Maynard+ 88 1958-1973 3TM
11. Andre Reed 87 1985-2000 2TM
12. Paul Warfield+ 85 1964-1977 2TM
Lance Alworth+ 85 1962-1972 2TM
14. Mark Clayton 84 1983-1993 2TM
Irving Fryar 84 1984-2000 4TM
Tommy McDonald+ 84 1957-1968 5TM
Andre Rison 84 1989-2000 7TM
18. Tony Gonzalez (33) 82 1997-2009 2TM
19. Art Powell 81 1959-1968 5TM
20. Charley Taylor+ 79 1964-1977 was
Harold Carmichael 79 1971-1984 2TM
22. Hines Ward (33) 78 1998-2009 pit
23. Joey Galloway (38) 77 1995-2009 4TM

I've certainly got him behind Marvin Harrison, Chris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed. He's also (probably) behind TO and Randy Moss.

As I said in this thread or the other Hines Ward thread, he's a very good, borderline great player, but as far as the HOF is concerned, he's still on the outside looking in. Now, he may get there, but if he never played another down, I don't think he gets in...I just don't.

Doc

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 05:58 PM

DOC...........Please do not give me the DOUG WILLIAMS argument.

HINES has that PLUS an array of other pluses............the SUPERBOWL MVP is but one feather in his cap.

HINES WARD not a Hall of Famer

..............I really can't believe I'm actually in a debate over this.

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

DOC...........Please do not give me the DOUG WILLIAMS argument.

HINES has that PLUS an array of other pluses............the SUPERBOWL MVP is but one feather in his cap.

HINES WARD not a Hall of Famer

..............I really can't believe I'm actually in a debate over this.

If one cannot simply read post #12 in this thread and not come to the conclusion that HINES is a surefire Hall of Famer, I honestly don't know what to think..........shell shocked.

**krk1030** · 05-06-10, 06:02 PM

I really dont follow what you need to make the HOF, but i just dont think of him as a hof player.

Has he even been a top 5 receiver at any point in his career?

**Doc JS** · 05-06-10, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

If one cannot simply read post #12 in this thread and not come to the conclusion that HINES is a surefire Hall of Famer, I honestly don't know what to think..........shell shocked.

You're the one who brought up the SB MVP, not me...

Seriously, when you say surefire HOF, I say Jerry Rice. I DO NOT say Hines Ward. Sorry...

Do you have him in front of Harrison, Carter, Brown, or Reed?

Until all four of those guys get in, don't come to me with Ward. Just don't.

Do you have him in front of TO or Moss? Both are four plus jerks, I know. But their numbers dwarf Ward's. They just do.

Reasonable people can agree to disagree...I just don't think, at this point, that he's a "surefire HOF'er"...just don't. Sorry...

Doc

**stealthyburrito** · 05-06-10, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by krk1030

I really dont follow what you need to make the HOF, but i just dont think of him as a hof player.

Has he even been a top 5 receiver at any point in his career?

it would depend on your definition of a top 5 receiver.

Guy has put up solid numbers year in and year out, goes against the grain in terms of style of play for a WR, and has a superbowl MVP to his name.

Do I think that gets him into the HOF? absolutely not.

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 06:17 PM

We should take over the reins of PARDON THE INTERRUPTION..........

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by Fishhead

We should take over the reins of PARDON THE INTERRUPTION..........

I look as stupid as Kornheiser, so if any of you Hines bashers are black, we could pull this off.

Good day

**Rig** · 05-06-10, 09:10 PM

Maybe.... Maybe after a long wait

**Fishhead** · 05-06-10, 09:38 PM

I'm probably a little [biased], but I think he's the best receiver in the game," Steelers safety Troy Polamalu said. "You can never ask anymore from anybody with what he does. His blocking from a receiver, he catches the football, he's able to have all of these great receiving statistics even though we're a running offense.

"To have that whole package, I don't think anybody in the NFL has that. I hope that he's remembered as a Hall of Famer, because that's what we all believe that he is."

**frostno98** · 05-06-10, 11:05 PM

Yeah, someday. If guys like Derrick Thomas can get in, who's was one dimensional and never even won a Superbowl Championship. Then no doubt.

**mtneer1212** · 05-06-10, 11:06 PM

I don't think Hines is even close. He never dominated his position in the league at any point. Great player, great teammate, just not Hall of Fame worthy.

**hhsilver** · 05-06-10, 11:08 PM

I'm with fishhead here. He gets in - and deservedly so.

**mr. leisure** · 05-06-10, 11:11 PM

I agree with fish, definitly a hall of famer