[the Great Gatsby]

man i got tired getting 40-50 units up by betting 1 unit each time in a long period of time
and lossing everything in a bloody evening
how can one fight and cure TILT?

[Sawyer]

bet less

[JAKEPEAVY21]

Learn how to handle your emotions, take a loss and walk away and get back at it another day.

[the Great Gatsby]

Learn how to handle your emotions, take a loss and walk away and get back at it another day.

lol
its like you re saying "fight the tilt and you ll be alright"

[KVB]

bet less

This is a common remedy as this is usually the root of the problem, but it's not the only root and thus not the only cause.

Gatsby you need to assess just what the issue is for you. Clearly, on the face of it, it's a money management problem. How we handle success can be just as important emotionally as how we handle failure.

So let's run with money management for moment. Sometimes we need some self reflection to figure why the simple FEAR of going on TILT and the pain you've felt from TILT's going wrong doesn't keep you from TILTing again. You're tired of being up 40-50 units over just how long of a period? Is a unit a small percentage of your bankroll? Have you defined a unit? Have you defined your bankroll?

Your bankroll is that which you can afford to lose, that's the definition. There is no other.

There are many issues here and I don't mean to force you to bare your soul. So let's walk through some. Maybe the FEAR of TILT or GUILT of TILT isn't very effective because you also have TILT moments where you actually hit.

So you get reinforced postively often enough even though the negative TILTs are fukkin killers.

Maybe you don't have that much money, not trying to be insulting or talk down, but maybe when you're up 50 units it feels like a lot of money so, again, you don't handle it well.

Maybe when, if you aren't well funded, that you grind up 50 units and realize you've worked hard over all this time and still don't really have shit. So you make a less TILT, more rational, decision to go bigger and try to come up. This is actually a good situation, because if you do raise you're units correctly, you can appreciate what it takes to get where you want to be. The more you respect it, the more likely you'll stay disciplined.

Maybe you are disciplined the vast majority of the time but something happens, like you get hammered. If we cope with the bad TILT losses with drinking or even smoking bowls, then it helps us forget those losses, while we always remember our TILT wins. This can lead to a cycle and when betting, getting hammered that will potentially awaken any emotional issues that will push you over the edge. Again, how we handle our winning is just as important as how we handle our losses, the two are intertwined because sports betting is a game of give and take, wins and losses.

Maybe it's the Rush you really need and don't realize it. I doubt this, because you're talking about long periods of time and gaining 40-50 units. If you're routinely making 1-2 unit bets and also 3 or more unit bets, than unless you can really justify the extra risk on those plays you are actually going on mini TILTs and even a streak of winning like that doesn't make it wise.

Many mini TILTS over time will simply train your brain to accept larger TILTs as well.

A discipline program is nothing without patience. But depending on exactly why you bet, it's possible none of that matters. Some people simply can't overcome the personal obstacles one must overcome to be successful long term in any meaningful way.

Ask yourself what your plan is, what you aim to accomplish. Did you mean to work your way up to a bankroll where you can bet big or go home? I don't think so, or you wouldn't have started this thread. But maybe you are, and don't even realize it.

I was all over the board in this post and didn't even scratch the surface but there is one main initial point here. It's self reflection. Self reflection first Gatsby, then if you're serious you can actually work to change your neural networks, iof necessary, to handle your success in more professional manner.



"There is a road, no simple highway.
Between the dawn and the dark of night.
And if you go no one may follow
That path is for your steps alone."

---Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter

[KVB]

...But depending on exactly why you bet, it's possible none of that matters...

Gatsby are you the type of person to get self destructive when things start going well?

People are like that and an outlet of betting could facilitate that type of behavior.

There are many reasons why bettors TILT, some common, some not so common.

Self reflection is the only way to get the bottom of identifying the problem. Once you can identify the problem, you have a chance of attacking it.

[JoeCool20]

lol
its like you re saying "fight the tilt and you ll be alright"

LOL I can't "fight the tilt" either. It is basically why I try as hard as I can to not send money into a S-book. or go

to the casino that is 2 hours from here. Because no matter how much I've won, if I start losing, then I am going to

try to "get it back" until I either get it back or I lose all the money I have.


My friend used to not understand either until I showed him how to make deposits into online gaming.

Then after about a week or two he said: "Man there is no way to start losing and then stop when you

see that money on the screen right in your face! You are just going to keep betting until you get back

what you lost or you lose it all!" So now he won't send money in either anymore! Because he knows once

he sends it in, then it is just a number on a computer screen until it eventually goes to zero!


Now MAYBE one out of 100 can really "walk away" and stop while they are losing, but hell I'd probably

say it is one out of 500 that can stop while losing! And just like I told my friend, once you start that

"tilting and chasing" then you will start doing it EVERY TIME from then on!


All I can say is quit sending money in, or if you ever get to winning, then GET THE PAYOUT RIGHT THEN!

Otherwise the money is just going to sit there as a number on a screen until it goes to zero when you tilt and lose!


Good luck buddy.

[deltgen]

Well said, Joe, especially seeing those numbers on the screen and not fully recognizing the significance, as opposed to being in a casino and physically handing over cold hard cash to someone. When you're not arguing with people, you have good posts.

[KVB]

Good post Joe, thanks for describing TILT but quitting gambling, or not sending money, is not to a solution to fighting TILT.

Quitting is never the answer, and likely the behavior will bleed into other areas of life.

It starts with self reflection then practice and behavioral modification as a solution, if the bettor truly does seek a solution.

Gatsby if you get an idea of what's causing your TILT, feel free to reach out, I have a wealth of solutions that both engourage and discourage gambling.

Everyone takes a different path here as everyone is different, as much as we are all the same. Fortunately, there are many paths to take to get the desired results.

[Fred The Hammer]

I don't go on Tilt exactly because I've been doing this for so long, but I think about some of the dumbass things I've done. I won a poker tournament on Pacific Poker back in 2004 for $6600. I quickly ran it up to $10,500 and I was playing $25/$50 limit Hold'em and other shit I can't afford and lost back down to $3500. I was in the Air Force at the time, and hell I only was only making $35k a year. $7000 was a ton of money then and its a ton of money to me now! I'm a working man!

Bottom line to me is to know yourself when it comes to gambling or life in general. Are you bored and need action? Are you lonely or disappointed with your life? Do you have some kind of unresolved issues and go to gambling as your pain killer? Is it just a hobby that you enjoy occasionally that you can control? Are you really & truly gambling for profit with the unemotional discipline of a businessman?

Very few are really gambling for profit alone. Gamblers aren't wired that way. Those people aren't vegging out on a stool, in front of a slot machine for 6 hours straight every week because they have a great home life.

The key for avoiding tilt to me is attempting to live a full life. If gambling is your only focus and you're losing at that, then where does your self-worth come from? Gamblers, including myself, are generally insecure and immature people anyway so tilting can happen quickly. Gamblers and patience are fire & ice. They don't go well together.

Its such a selfish and narcissistic pursuit also. You have to avoid family or employers, etc. to find time to do it. It doesn't add anything to society or produce anything valuable. Now if you just bet $50 on a NBA finals game like people have a beer at night then you're just a recreational bettor and nothing wrong with that. But if you've dreamed of gambling for a living or you're addicted then you still need to live a fuller life. Build something for yourself that you don't want to lose! Otherwise gambling will control you.

[Gaze73]

The most frustrating thing is that tilt bets rarely win. Take a standard spread without tilt and you win. Make a bigger chase bet on a similar spread, and deep down you already know it's gonna lose. And it will. Even though both bets were 50/50 according to the market, when you chase on tilt it's somehow 30/70 until you lose it all.

[KVB]

The most frustrating thing is that tilt bets rarely win. Take a standard spread without tilt and you win. Make a bigger chase bet on a similar spread, and deep down you already know it's gonna lose. And it will. Even though both bets were 50/50 according to the market, when you chase on tilt it's somehow 30/70 until you lose it all.

Being on Tilt likely short circuits rational thinking and can in fact increase your chances of losing.

It's actually the wins that occur when on TILT that can be most dangerous, often times one won't even realize he's on TILT in the winning situations. And I don't just mean a bettor has lost a lot then goes on TILT and wins, I mean times when a bettor is on a win streak and emotionally feels good and has no idea he's gone on TILT.

See, in a situation like the OP, where he grinds up then bets bigger and possibly chases the losses, the perception changes with a win.

If he grinds up and bets big and wins, did he go on TILT? Fundamentally yes, but all those feelings of guilt, sadness, regret, let down, depression, anxiety, etc that we normally associate with TILT aren't there.

Instead it's a positively reinforcing the initial behavior, the TILT.

That can be very dangerous. Winning the big bets can far more dangerous for a bettor than losing them.

[littlekona]

Only way to control Tilt is self exclusion for a short period. I used the function all the time in the Stars-Tilt Days and even now at some sites. Time away to re focus cures alot

[StackinGreen]

The most frustrating thing is that tilt bets rarely win. Take a standard spread without tilt and you win. Make a bigger chase bet on a similar spread, and deep down you already know it's gonna lose. And it will. Even though both bets were 50/50 according to the market, when you chase on tilt it's somehow 30/70 until you lose it all.

I call this the Brandon Lang phenomenon. And I figured why it happens so frequently; I don't think it is recall bias.

You bet into bad numbers far more frequently when you feel "pressured" to bet, or with someone like Lang, if you release your number (such as in football) late in the week when any value on a given line, or a better point spread, is gone. You could get lucky on a few occasions that the team you like gets a better line, but on balance, you'll be betting into bad numbers.

[the Great Gatsby]

for me it is that i cant stand the loss
after losing 1-2 units i catch my self wanted it all back abd ready to risk all my bankroll in order to get those two measli units back
it is like i dont apreaciate the money itself that much as much i do the recovery of the losses

it is foolish,i know
my units re not big but they re respectable

[Fred The Hammer]

Played a little poker on Bovada last night for the first time in about 4 months. Started with a $21 double up sit-n-go. Lost 2 outer on the river then A2 shoves into my AK suited and lost that too. Bubbled out as usual. Ran the numbers and I was at 1.3% to lose both hands. Just laughed it off and turned the computer off. I've ran like shit on Bovada for years now? It seems rigged, but why would they cheat people over $30 or $50?

Just do something else with your life besides gambling. If you can't then get some help.

[bitcoinLuke]

You're betting too much per play if you go on tilt.

You should be betting so little per play (compared to your overall bankroll)that when you get a loss, you just shrug your shoulders and move on, rather than feel like you have to get it back, then chase

[the Great Gatsby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5bbbhN0mTY

[KVB]

You're betting too much per play if you go on tilt.

You should be betting so little per play (compared to your overall bankroll)that when you get a loss, you just shrug your shoulders and move on, rather than feel like you have to get it back, then chase

This can be true but it's not the only issue. Listen to the poster, it's not about the money, it's about the loss..

for me it is that i cant stand the loss
after losing 1-2 units i catch my self wanted it all back abd ready to risk all my bankroll in order to get those two measli units back
it is like i dont apreaciate the money itself that much as much i do the recovery of the losses

it is foolish,i know
my units re not big but they re respectable

Understand this root is different and Gatsby can deal with this issue. It's about the loss. Losses can do all kinds of damage, they can lead to issues on many fronts...especially losing streaks.

[KVB]

A lot of talk of excluding, controlling, dealing wtih TILT once it comes. Even that video simply puts in money mangement controls to avoid TILT. If you're disciplined enough to do that, you are not on TILT...lol.

Anyway, it's good advice, and the question of the thread is how to fight TILT. Everyone chiming in with good stuff.

That said, we're at war here, not just a series of battles, and there should be more talk about not TILTing to begin with.

Address the casues so that you don't have to continually fight the same battle over and over again.

Gatsby, sometimes that loss hurts most as it's represented in the bankroll, regardless of dollar amount.

I once wrote this post, and it touches on a common issue bettors have, that need to get those losses back. It's worth the read here, at least to scratch the surface...

This brings up another good teaching point for beginners and even those veterans who can get to a 55% to 60% win rate. Very few bettors realize that nearly 95% of the time you can expect to be behind. With proper money management your expectation is still to see new highs in account value only 5% of the time.

This is the reality of the mathematics of the situation. But this lesson is more psychological. If you know that this condition exits then you can better cope with it, not chase losses, and not constantly feel like you are behind and have to “make a move” to get caught up simply because your roll is less than its highest point.

Eliminate the psychological need to catch up and you are bound to make better decisions moving forward. This thinking may not add a winning play to your day, but it sure as hell may take you off of a losing play.

In sports betting, a penny saved in this fashion is most certainly a penny earned...

Think about it.

[JoeCool20]

The most frustrating thing is that tilt bets rarely win. Take a standard spread without tilt and you win. Make a bigger chase bet on a similar spread, and deep down you already know it's gonna lose. And it will. Even though both bets were 50/50 according to the market, when you chase on tilt it's somehow 30/70 until you lose it all.

[JoeCool20]

A lot of talk of excluding, controlling, dealing wtih TILT once it comes. there should be more talk about not TILTing to begin withThink about it.

Good post Joe, thanks for describing TILT but quitting gambling, or not sending money, is not to a solution to fighting TILT.

Quitting is never the answer, and likely the behavior will bleed into other areas of life.

It starts with self reflection then practice and behavioral modification as a solution, if the bettor truly does seek a solution.

Gatsby if you get an idea of what's causing your TILT, feel free to reach out, I have a wealth of solutions that both engourage and discourage gambling.

Everyone takes a different path here as everyone is different, as much as we are all the same. Fortunately, there are many paths to take to get the desired results.

Yeah KVB, nobody is answering HOW to fight tilt because nobody knows how to do it except about 1 in a thousand!

Reminds me of that book: The Gambler Novel by Fyodor Dostoevsky


In the book, this guy is an author and he gets to losing, and tilts and loses everything, then he tries to get those losses back and bets his whole future earnings on all his future books that he might write and loses that hand too! Most people can't stop "tilt betting trying to get their losses back" once they ever start doing it!

[JoeCool20]

Well said, Joe, especially seeing those numbers on the screen and not fully recognizing the significance, as opposed to being in a casino and physically handing over cold hard cash to someone. When you're not arguing with people, you have good posts.

Hey man I appreciate that, I only have to say that I don't "argue" with anyone on here! But I will REPLY to defend myself against somebody who trolls me and runs their mouth to me, or tells a lie about me on here! The only reason that I am still here is because SOMEBODY who is high up here at SBR listened to me about a guy who trolled me endlessly on here because he knew his "friend" would try to ban ME for replying to HIS trolling and abuse of me! I said "All you have to do is tell that guy to not run up under any of my posts and troll me with mouth running and it is ALL OVER, because I have never started it with him, and I never will." And this person said "Do you promise?" And I said "Not only do I promise I will never START any trolling/bashing of him, but go look at the last 20 times and you will see that it is HIM who started it EVERY single time with me because he knows his "friend" will try to ban ME for replying to his trolling."

It was so ridiculous and unfair for ME to get blamed/punished for simply replying to this guy's constant trolling abuse that I was just going to leave the site! But he got told by this higher up person that he couldn't start anything with me anymore or he was going to get in trouble, and we have never had a cross word between us on here SINCE!

That is the ONLY reason I am still here is because this higher up person did not "play favorites" and instead had the common sense to tell the instigator to stop, and thus it was immediately all over!

I truly thank this person!

[Auto Donk]

when pushed to the limit, as you are heading toward "tilt," just remember this:


at least you are not hung like this guy:







it'll get your mind of your losses, and make you appreciate the more important things in life........

[JoeCool20]

when pushed to the limit, as you are heading toward "tilt," just remember this:

at least you are not hung like this guy:




it'll get your mind of your losses, and make you appreciate the more important things in life........

Hey Donk, is this how y'all do it in Texas? More power to ya!


Texas dude shoots guy peeping on his daughter.

https://www.kwtx.com/2021/06/28/texa...hters-bedroom/

[thomorino]

People go on tilt because they are betting too much of their bankroll or net worth. They can’t handle their losses emotionally so they try to get them back taking short cuts. The people who go on tilt are usually people who can’t handle the emotion that comes with their losses, which usually means they are betting too much for their bankrolls or they just can’t handle losing money.

[stevenash]

People go on tilt because they are betting too much of their bankroll or net worth. They can’t handle their losses emotionally so they try to get them back taking short cuts. The people who go on tilt are usually people who can’t handle the emotion that comes with their losses, which usually means they are betting too much for their bankrolls or they just can’t handle losing money.

You're an idiot.

Tilt stems from frustration.

I'm not even going to discuss this with you as your explanation is one of the most idiotic things you ever wrote.

Have a good day.

[thomorino]

You're an idiot.

Tilt stems from frustration.

I'm not even going to discuss this with you as your explanation is one of the most idiotic things you ever wrote.

Have a good day.

I own you in every possible way. You literally can’t go 1 day without some stupid nonsensical response like this.

Tilt is illogical emotional reaction to losses, it means a person is betting more than they can handle.

Just stop.

[Wrongside]

I own you in every possible way. You literally can’t go 1 day without some stupid nonsensical response like this.

Tilt is illogical emotional reaction to losses, it means a person is betting more than they can handle.

Just stop.

Morino, you don't bet. This is your substitute high, so crawl off your high horse.

[thomorino]

Morino, you don't bet. This is your substitute high, so crawl off your high horse.

Wrong, you are a dumb shit.

[KVB]

Great, this thread went backwards in a hurry.

Can't emphasize enough how there are many causes, some of which are interelated or hidden beneath others.

Good Luck Gatsby and if you want to get into specifics and work on specific cognitive behavioural modifcations, I don't know, maybe chime in here or maybe just PM, I'm trying to finally get to those.

This thread seems useless with posters not even reading it and coming in here to fight.

Mods, please clean up the thread.

[thomorino]

Great, this thread went backwards in a hurry.

Can't emphasize enough how there are many causes, some of which are interelated or hidden beneath others.

Good Luck Gatsby and if you want to get into specifics and work on specific cognitive behavioural modifcations, I don't know, maybe chime in here or maybe just PM, I'm trying to finally get to those.

This thread seems useless with posters not even reading it and coming in here to fight.

Mods, please clean up the thread.

Shut up you whiny dumb shit, all you do is whine and post trash.

[The Kraken]

Didnt think trolling and trash posting was allowed in TT

Respect the forum rules please, morino

[thomorino]

Didnt think trolling and trash posting was allowed in TT

Respect the forum rules please, morino

Shut up dumb shit, I commented on the topic and then little turf Nash attacked me personally.

[Eddy Munny]

You fight tilt with a good pair of nunchuks.