BetRoyal locks 30 players out of their accounts citing "syndicate play"

SBR_John · 10-19-07, 03:17 AM

LOL. No real syndicate would play into this crap book.

raiders72002 · 10-19-07, 04:40 AM

LOL. No real syndicate would play into this crap book.

True - But I'll lay 2-1 that these guys were from the Dallas or Oakland area.

raiders72002 · 10-19-07, 04:42 AM

It looks like I was wrong. I just read the posters thread and it's the poster "curious".

Bill Dozer · 10-19-07, 07:42 AM

With SBG it's about a big figure getting their attention. I can't recall an SBG "dispute" that has really been debatable.

curious · 10-19-07, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by raiders72002

True - But I'll lay 2-1 that these guys were from the Dallas or Oakland area.

Actually we are from all over the country. Several of us are from Connecticut. The handicapper is a well known radio personality in Connecticut.

JC · 10-19-07, 08:58 AM

Curious, could you please post in this thread and/or email general@eog.com?

Oops! We ran into some problems.

http://forums.eog.com/online-sportsbooks-and-gambling-discussion/shrink-long-take-out-trash-week-105173.html

Thanks

curious · 10-19-07, 11:42 AM

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curious · 10-19-07, 11:44 AM

The latest news I had from Bet Royal / SBG....

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Rollins08 · 10-19-07, 11:55 AM

I'm amazed that anybody plays at D books these days. Why not just stick to an A book?

curious · 10-19-07, 11:58 AM

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Rollins08 · 10-19-07, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by curious

When Bet Royal was Bet Royal we had no problems. The VP of marketing took care of us personally. The problems started with SBG bought them. The same VP of marketing told us we could trust them. She has since resigned in disgust over what they are doing to us.

I just got into sportsbetting in June and did not know better.

I understand now. I'm sure I would have stayed with them also in that case.

curious · 10-19-07, 02:29 PM

Latest with Bet Royal and SBG

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SBR_John · 10-20-07, 06:22 AM

I feel bad for these players that this story is somewhat overshadowed by the sportsbook.com hiest. Too many shyster books stealing too much money these days.

curious · 10-20-07, 07:16 AM

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increasedodds · 10-20-07, 07:56 AM

Good to hear.

While you are at it, could you drop the hammer on Sportsbook and those clowns as well.

SBR_John · 10-20-07, 09:13 AM

curious,
Have you talked to Bill on this? Are we(SBR) at a deadend on this?

Don't do anything that will be counter productive just yet until all possible remedies are exhausted. We have gotten 100% settlements over a year later. But then again, trying to get money back once its been stolen is a long shot.

curious · 10-20-07, 09:41 AM

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SBR_John · 10-20-07, 10:23 AM

I'm not trying to talk you out of anything so dont get me wrong here.

I just wanted to say that I know this kind of theft hurts and hurts bad. Sometimes its better to just move on than fight a losing battle.

Unfortunately at SBR we see a lot of guys get ripped off and sometimes it drives them nearly crazy trying to get their money back when in reality there is no chance.

Agami is a well protected and connected thug. Once he steals your money you will not get it back. The only chance is to negotiate a settlement and that doesnt work often. But you might want to ask Bill to try to negotiate you a partial settlement. Its up to you. Sorry this happened.

Bill Dozer · 10-21-07, 09:47 PM

We managed to get about $30,000 for two players in the past year. Unfortunately they were owed close to $100,000. But after players absorb what SBG is and has done, they consider a partial settlement a success. We will speak to the folks at Royal and see if Randal has one of those shhhh-contracts to offer the players and the pick service. There is interest from Sebastian in hiring the lawyer used for the Cascade group.

curious · 10-21-07, 09:50 PM

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JC · 10-21-07, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by Bill Dozer

We managed to get about $30,000 for two players in the past year. Unfortunately they were owed close to $100,000. But after players absorb what SBG is and has done, they consider a partial settlement a success. We will speak to the folks at Royal and see if Randal has one of those shhhh-contracts to offer the players and the pick service. There is interest from Sebastian in hiring the lawyer used for the Cascade group.

Shhhh- contracts are part of the problem. People are silenced with partial payments and history keeps repeating itself.

Are you saying SBG stiffed players out of at least $70,000 this year, prior to this incident? I recall the player who was due around $56,000 and settled fo $21,000 or something around there.

curious · 10-21-07, 10:26 PM

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increasedodds · 10-21-07, 10:42 PM

JC - what exactly happens if someone signs a contract with SBG to get paid and then talks? SBG coming here to sue?

JC · 10-21-07, 11:03 PM

Just the fact that they get away with settling.

Once people agree to take less, many forums don;t want to entertain the complaint any longer, even if they keep complaining.

curious · 10-21-07, 11:08 PM

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Bill Dozer · 10-22-07, 12:03 PM

Originally posted by JC

Shhhh- contracts are part of the problem. People are silenced with partial payments and history keeps repeating itself.

Are you saying SBG stiffed players out of at least $70,000 this year, prior to this incident? I recall the player who was due around $56,000 and settled fo $21,000 or something around there.

Without getting an official figure, 70k sounds about right. There is the case you are referencing and the player who was being stiffed for $30k because he was kicked out of Sports-gambling (which had different ownership) 2 years earlier for being sharp. He ended up getting 10k. Another standout set of complaints were from players with the books they bought. They deleted the larger account balances after servicing the player for a month. That might be beyond a year.

Bill Dozer · 10-22-07, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by curious

I think the sports book review sites should insist on full disclosure. How could they rate a book above F- knowing that the book robbed players and then forced them to sign a shhhhh agreement in order to get some fraction of their money? The whole purpose of the sport book review community is to give players accurate information about the books.

We don't edit anything on SBR regardless. Whether the player agrees to take go-away money the book still needs to make the player whole again before we show the issue as resolved.

As observers and fellow players we root for the player to stand firm and stay in attack mode but that isn't always in his/her personal best interest. If there is a settlement it deflates the case and things get blurry as time passes. It's a tough call but as with legal cases, sometimes a settlement is the way to go because of the leverage of the other party.

SlappyWhite · 02-25-09, 07:50 AM

Is syndicate play against the rules at books? I guess to elaborate, I can't remember seeing anything about it explicitly in the TOS/User Agreement when signing up at any of the books I am at.

Shit sorry about the necro, came up in a google search while looking at books.

bettilimbroke999 · 02-25-09, 09:14 AM

Why are all of curious' posts deleted, was this part of a "shhhh" settlement he got? Fukin Cascade, Bet Royal, SBG even to some degree sportsbook.com fukin 2007 was a hell of a year for sports gambling

curious · 02-25-09, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

Why are all of curious' posts deleted, was this part of a "shhhh" settlement he got? Fukin Cascade, Bet Royal, SBG even to some degree sportsbook.com fukin 2007 was a hell of a year for sports gambling

No, there was no settlement and I would not have agreed to a shhhh clause if there had been.

I deleted the posts on advice from my attorney when we were pursuing a class action RICO lawsuit against SBG and Bet Royal.

Why are you bumping this ancient thread?

curious · 02-25-09, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by SlappyWhite

Is syndicate play against the rules at books? I guess to elaborate, I can't remember seeing anything about it explicitly in the TOS/User Agreement when signing up at any of the books I am at.

Shit sorry about the necro, came up in a google search while looking at books.

We were not doing syndicate play and SBG was well aware of that fact. There was nothing in SBG or Bet Royal's TOS/User Agreement that was applicable to the claim they made.

When SBG bought Bet Royal it was explained to them in detail who these 30 players were and how they were related to each other. SBG management said "we dont' care, our lines makers will beat them".

Then we won over $300,000 and they weren't so cocky. So, they robbed us.

The bottom line with SBG and Bet Royal is that if you win big they will rob you.

bettilimbroke999 · 02-25-09, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by curious

No, there was no settlement and I would not have agreed to a shhhh clause if there had been.

I deleted the posts on advice from my attorney when we were pursuing a class action RICO lawsuit against SBG and Bet Royal.

Why are you bumping this ancient thread?

I didnt bump it

Interesting thread if all the posts werent deleted, did u win the lawsuit sounds pretty fuked up

curious · 02-25-09, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by bettilimbroke999

I didnt bump it

Interesting thread if all the posts werent deleted, did u win the lawsuit sounds pretty fuked up

No, we could not get a court in any jurisdiction to take the case. We tried USA, Great Britain, and Costa Rica.

My attorneys were the best RICO firm in the country. But the federal court system in this country is a joke.

Britain and CR don't have RICO, so we were just trying to use the applicable laws for theft and fraud.

SportsLockPicks · 02-25-09, 11:26 AM

this is funny to see this again...i actually have collaberated with this handicapper and he is pretty legit...i wasn't involved in the plays here but i still keep in touch...i don't want to give his name out, but he is a tout that actually wins...a number of my plays are cross referenced with his and when we are both on the same game i really let loose..