30k forfeited at sia (6 accounts)

[the outlaw]

I wish to address just one thing, all accounts were created by different people (from different ip and household addresses, different neteller accounts etc), and we did not intend to break any rules, or use an internet forum to solve the dispute.

sia requested identification from each of us, we gave them what we have and they told us accounts info are okay, they just decided that we violated the t & c and voided all winnings at once. This is where we got an objection.

It just happened that we decided to get together and placed bets with the same computer, it's not in the same line with "one person with multiple accounts" kind of stuff. We are indeed 6 different persons.

Just thought if we should be punished because we logged in with the same computer and placed similar bets because we are friends. We do not think this violates their T & C.

1. Each member is permitted to open or operate one account only. In the event that any customer opens an additional account in his/her own name or under the name of an alias or through the co-operation of one or more persons, Sports Interaction reserves the right to close all related accounts and retain any account balances without notice.

2. “Any bets placed in an attempt in any way to defraud Sports Interaction or to violate Sports Interaction's betting rules or limits shall be voided and the balances in such accounts held by Sports Interaction. Any bets made by or contracted by any bookmaker(s), gambling syndicates, and/or any person, persons, parties, organization(s), friends or relatives acting on behalf of any bookmaker(s) or gambling syndicates shall be voided and the balances in such accounts held by Sports Interaction.

3. "Only one Sports Interaction account per household or computer environment is permitted. A 'computer environment' is one where multiple computers are located in one building. If fraudulent accounts are found in one household or computer environment, the other accounts in that household or computer environment will be held liable for any returned funds and the account balances will reflect this".

Guess it's time for us to get some legal advice. Hope that doesn't cost us more than 30k.

Buddy,
There is nothing in this post that makes it any better for you.
In fact after reading these rules you are dead in the water from what I see. Why in the world would you and six of your friends get together to make similar plays from the same computer? This makes absolutely no sense.

[BuddyBear]

SIA is a very solid book. Unfortunately they have done away with Swift Pay and it is becoming increasingly difficult to deposit there.

if you play there and play by the rules, I think you'll find that it is a very safe and reliable book. I've made several withdrawals from them over the years and not one real serious problem.

[acw]

sia30k,

Welcome to the forum!

The way you have been cheated by SIA is simply their way of making money. No way you would have gotten any money back, if you would have lost those bets.

I do not think you have done anything wrong. If you would have bet with William Hill in the same way, there would have been no problem whatsoever. They would only limit your accounts after the event, but they will not steal any money. It is called the British way of bookmaking. SIA is Irish and they practice Irish bookmaking.

[m3vr6]

The book should have warn you before you won $25k so they're taking a free shot at you. Meaning if you had lost they wouldn't have said a thing and since you're wining they just wait for you to cash out or lose everything including your initial deposits. I am sure if you had lost and said that you're playing from the same household/computer and according to their rule book, they shouldn't have allowed this and thus you're entitle to get your initial deposit back. NOT!!! so they're using their rules to their advantage!! it's a win win situation for the book.

[m3vr6]

anyone know where books usually post their rules regarding putting in plays from same IP address?

[ShamsWoof10]

The book should have warn you before you won $25k so they're taking a free shot at you. Meaning if you had lost they wouldn't have said a thing and since you're wining they just wait for you to cash out or lose everything including your initial deposits. I am sure if you had lost and said that you're playing from the same household/computer and according to their rule book, they shouldn't have allowed this and thus you're entitle to get your initial deposit back. NOT!!! so they're using their rules to their advantage!! it's a win win situation for the book.

ok this seems consistant...

[betbetter]

I am sure if you had lost and said that you're playing from the same household/computer and according to their rule book, they shouldn't have allowed this and thus you're entitle to get your initial deposit back. NOT!!! so they're using their rules to their advantage!! it's a win win situation for the book.

Hmm...ok...so by your logic if you spend money attempting to commit a crime, the crime does'nt work, but you still get caught, the authorities should give you back the money you used attempting to commit the crime?

Looks like 1 minor-league job that was dumb enough to try and make 5-6 max bets on steam moves from the same IP.

Bets on he was doing it another book(s) as well, hedging, lost on those sides, and the miniscule profit he had at SIA got busted? Hmmm...

[Mason]

anyone know where books usually post their rules regarding putting in plays from same IP address?

Terms and Conditions.

Checking every single active account, every day for fraud is not realistic. Books look for fraud at the time of payout. Pretty standard.

[bigloser]

Terms and Conditions.

Checking every single active account, every day for fraud is not realistic. Books look for fraud at the time of payout. Pretty standard.

No. Its a simple addition to software. One initial cost and then sorted for good.

Having said that, we are clearly dealing with a not very bright attempt at scamming a book here.

[betbetter]

[QUOTE=bigloser;380763]No. Its a simple addition to software. One initial cost and then sorted for good.QUOTE]

Which is?

[increasedodds]

To the retarded... Computer and IP address runs about $200.

To the book... Get software to block identical IPs immediately.

Sean

[bigboydan]

People will always look for that edge, but 6 different accounts under the same IP address is beyond insane. Now thats just plain dumb, because your just asking for trouble. I think this guy should just be happy to get his original postup money back and call himself extremely lucky.

[idontlikerocks]

if SIA can figure out that u were all using the same computer this one time, can't they figure out that you were not using the same computer at erlier times.. essentially wouldn't SIA rightfully only be allowed to cofiscate your winnings from the plays from the same computer?

[bigloser]

if SIA can figure out that u were all using the same computer this one time, can't they figure out that you were not using the same computer at erlier times.. essentially wouldn't SIA rightfully only be allowed to cofiscate your winnings from the plays from the same computer?

No.

This is the most blatant and stupid scam I have ever come across. He will do well to find a solicitor that takes this on without money up front.

[picantel]

Do not worry about what jjgold says. He only rips people if he owes the books money and is trying to wheezle out of paying them.