A for profit arbiter/legal service ?

jjgold · 10-15-07, 05:08 PM

No

Sportsbooks can do anything they want and no one can do anything about it

Internet gambling is illegal so no recourse

DrunkenLullaby · 10-15-07, 05:10 PM

I think that the ethical books (e.g Olympic, Pinnacle) would have no use for it and that the unethical books (e.g. Sportsbook) would never consent to it in the first place - unfortunately

operaman · 10-15-07, 05:17 PM

The sportsbooks would have no option to consent. They could negotiate or be sued! The whole point would be a service that stops bringing swords to gun fights.

Note: I am not saying a service like this would compete with sbr, it would be more like an addon service.

mshanedub420 · 10-15-07, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

No

Sportsbooks can do anything they want and no one can do anything about it

Internet gambling is illegal so no recourse

TRUE,........BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE US GET ****ED WITH, AND ROBBED,< THE US WILL GO AFTER THEM AND DISH OUT FELONY CHARGES LIKE THEY ARE CONDOMS AT AN AIDS CONVENTION.......

capitalist pig · 10-15-07, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by operaman

The sportsbooks would have no option to consent. They could negotiate or be sued! The whole point would be a service that stops bringing swords to gun fights.

Note: I am not saying a service like this would compete with sbr, it would be more like an addon service.

The day the service began, all books would make you sign a waiver that releases them from any legal action, and if you didnt sign, you wouldnt be able to wager.

Besides do you realize how hard it is to sue someone out of the USA? Like jj said its illegal to wager offshore anyways, no lawyers from here would ever represent a US client.

later

Santo · 10-15-07, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by operaman

The sportsbooks would have no option to consent. They could negotiate or be sued! The whole point would be a service that stops bringing swords to gun fights.

Note: I am not saying a service like this would compete with sbr, it would be more like an addon service.

Good luck suing them

DrunkenLullaby · 10-15-07, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by mshanedub420

TRUE,........BUT IF ENOUGH PEOPLE IN THE US GET ****ED WITH, AND ROBBED,< THE US WILL GO AFTER THEM AND DISH OUT FELONY CHARGES LIKE THEY ARE CONDOMS AT AN AIDS CONVENTION.......

Sounds like somebody's under the misconception that his government works for him/cares about him for any reason other than the tax revenue he gives them.

durito · 10-15-07, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by operaman

The sportsbooks would have no option to consent. They could negotiate or be sued! The whole point would be a service that stops bringing swords to gun fights.

Note: I am not saying a service like this would compete with sbr, it would be more like an addon service.

most books are in third world countries with poor legal systems. you won't get real far with lawsuits.

operaman · 10-15-07, 07:35 PM

I live in mexico so I know how broken the legal system is in many of the countries that these operations are in. That works both ways. Getting a lawyer in say mexico could cause a tremendous amount of headaches for an operation in mexico. Corruption can work both ways and these operations have a lot of money that could be put in the pockets of many law enforcing mayors.

The point about the sb's being illegal is not true. They are legal in the country they are doing biz in and that is where the litigation would take place. Any biz in a third world county would really sweat being sued in said country because the laws are poorly enforced and worded. Considering how many times the policia have tried to extort pennies from me down here I would think many lawyers would be happy to target an entity that has real money.

curious · 10-15-07, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by capitalist pig

The day the service began, all books would make you sign a waiver that releases them from any legal action, and if you didnt sign, you wouldnt be able to wager.

Besides do you realize how hard it is to sue someone out of the USA? Like jj said its illegal to wager offshore anyways, no lawyers from here would ever represent a US client.

later

Actually that isn't true. I know of several scary law firms who have taken cases like that.

operaman · 10-15-07, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by capitalist pig

The day the service began, all books would make you sign a waiver that releases them from any legal action, and if you didnt sign, you wouldnt be able to wager.

Besides do you realize how hard it is to sue someone out of the USA? Like jj said its illegal to wager offshore anyways, no lawyers from here would ever represent a US client.

later

You can't sign away your rights to litigate. Such a waiver would have No effect.

Of course it is very very hard to sue someone being a us citizen outside the us. That would be the reason for such a service.

curious · 10-15-07, 07:45 PM

I think a better idea would be to get someone who is really good at SEO to set up a website that exposes crooks in the sportsbook industry and ensure that searches for the sportsbook's name always return the scam alert web site first in the search results (anyone expert at SEO knows how to ensure this).

atakdog · 10-15-07, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by operaman

You can't sign away your rights to litigate. Such a waiver would have No effect.

Even in the US, that's not quite true -- people sign away this right all the time, typically with arbitration clauses. In general, one can't sign away all rights to litigate, as in the case of reckless or intentional torts (which would usually be what would be at issue, at least allegedly, when a sportsbook declines to return a player's money).

In any case, these transactions are governed by the law of the country in which the book is located, and it's a poor idea to generalize about law when different, especially third-world countries are involved.

I say skip the lawyers, and have the proposed dispute resolution firm resolve those disputes the old fashioned way, with big scary guys named Guido paying late-night visits to book owners and their families.

operaman · 10-15-07, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by atakdog

Even in the US, that's not quite true -- people sign away this right all the time, typically with arbitration clauses. In general, one can't sign away all rights to litigate, as in the case of reckless or intentional torts (which would usually be what would be at issue, at least allegedly, when a sportsbook declines to return a player's money).

In any case, these transactions are governed by the law of the country in which the book is located, and it's a poor idea to generalize about law when different, especially third-world countries are involved.

I say skip the lawyers, and have the proposed dispute resolution firm resolve those disputes the old fashioned way, with big scary guys named Guido paying late-night visits to book owners and their families.

Sure, I was being overly general. Your second point could be a part of such a service, but that part wouldn't be a good idea to advertise. Ill put "lawyers" in quotes from now on.

m3vr6 · 10-15-07, 09:15 PM

Lawyers wouldn't do any good since the court system in the islands wouldn't want to spend any money to take on the cases and it's probably corrupt. The best thing is to get the words out too all the unfair books and flag them. EVERYONE TAKE YOUR MONEY OUT OF SPORTSBOOK.COM if this can happen to someone else it can happen to you!!!! it's totally unfair!!!!