NBA division futures - How will bets grade them if there is a prorated season?

**RedApples** · 07-14-20, 04:15 PM

I would understand if BetOnline stated that they were merely waiting for the NBA to complete the season without reaching 80 games in order to grade the bets, but they aren't. Their responses are very inadequate. No answers as to why the TOS had the language of 80 games deleted. Multiple responses stating that they are waiting of the NBA to 'make a decision'.

This book has consistently failed me when it comes to operating as a Sportsbook. Any competent manager could handle these issues seamlessly.

**thomorino** · 07-14-20, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by RedApples

I would understand if BetOnline stated that they were merely waiting for the NBA to complete the season without reaching 80 games in order to grade the bets, but they aren't. Their responses are very inadequate. No answers as to why the TOS had the language of 80 games deleted. Multiple responses stating that they are waiting of the NBA to 'make a decision'.

This book has consistently failed me when it comes to operating as a Sportsbook. Any competent manager could handle these issues seamlessly.

Agree the books keep saying that they don’t want to make a decision and then have the nba say their are division winners after the decision has been made. They don’t seem to understand that not all the teams have played the same amount of games and the league has no logical reason to care about who wins divisions since it doesn’t impact who makes the playoffs and their is no home court advantage.

**bubba** · 07-14-20, 10:39 PM

I know this is an NBA thread but betonline not grading NHL division wagers at this time is truly mind boggling. They had a rule on the book that 77 games need to be played. The NHL announced their regular season over well over a month ago with every team playing less than 77 games. Appears cut and dry. No explanation from anyone. Its weird. What are they thinking?

**thomorino** · 07-15-20, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by bubba

I know this is an NBA thread but betonline not grading NHL division wagers at this time is truly mind boggling. They had a rule on the book that 77 games need to be played. The NHL announced their regular season over well over a month ago with every team playing less than 77 games. Appears cut and dry. No explanation from anyone. Its weird. What are they thinking?

I didn’t know betonline hasn’t graded nhl divisional futures, every book I’m aware of already has. Mason is being an idiot betonline will lose customers long term and as you said the nhl has made clear what they are doing in the play in the postseason.

**RedApples** · 07-15-20, 05:59 AM

Originally posted by bubba

I know this is an NBA thread but betonline not grading NHL division wagers at this time is truly mind boggling. They had a rule on the book that 77 games need to be played. The NHL announced their regular season over well over a month ago with every team playing less than 77 games. Appears cut and dry. No explanation from anyone. Its weird. What are they thinking?

you are spamming this every time there is a new post in this thread as well as others. it is an NBA thread. there is already well dedicated NHL threads for your topic, bump those.

**RedApples** · 07-15-20, 06:02 AM

Originally posted by thomorino

I didn’t know betonline hasn’t graded nhl divisional futures, every book I’m aware of already has. Mason is being an idiot betonline will lose customers long term and as you said the nhl has made clear what they are doing in the play in the postseason.

this will definitely happen. at the very least they will lose action. I generally slow down quite a bit when things like this go down, doesn't matter how dedicated I was to the book, to whatever degree I lose dedication is costing them. for the moment I am not redepositing on BetOnline, whereas if I were to be paid not only would I be putting that money directly back into circulation (which I might not even do now if I get paid), and I am going to be less likely to want to redeposit with them in the future.

**bubba** · 07-15-20, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by RedApples

you are spamming this every time there is a new post in this thread as well as others. it is an NBA thread. there is already well dedicated NHL threads for your topic, bump those.

A website ignoring a rule in 1 sport, is likely directly related to their future attempt to ignore a nearly identical rule in another sport.

**DontTailMe** · 07-15-20, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by RedApples

you are spamming this every time there is a new post in this thread as well as others. it is an NBA thread. there is already well dedicated NHL threads for your topic, bump those.

You don't like it when someone posts irrelevant garbage in your thread, huh? Maybe you should practice what you preach.

**RedApples** · 07-15-20, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by bubba

A website ignoring a rule in 1 sport, is likely directly related to their future attempt to ignore a nearly identical rule in another sport.

I get that you're frustrated. It is just every post made in this thread is followed with you asking 'what about NHL?". With no new information being added.

There is a thread(s) dedicated to figuring out what is going on with the NHL ones.

**RedApples** · 07-15-20, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by DontTailMe

You don't like it when someone posts irrelevant garbage in your thread, huh? Maybe you should practice what you preach.

I feel so bad for you. To spend all day long here pontificating and arguing with people. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I hope you get a life.

This isn't 'my thread'. This is an NBA futures thread. I am interested in getting issues settled. NBA ones in NBA thread make sense to me as does NHL in NHL. Anyone can post what they want, and it doesn't bother me in the least. It might be harmful to the thread though, you know all about that. On that note, I will not respond again to you in it as that is all that happens from doing so.

**bubba** · 07-15-20, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by RedApples

I get that you're frustrated. It is just every post made in this thread is followed with you asking 'what about NHL?". With no new information being added.

There is a thread(s) dedicated to figuring out what is going on with the NHL ones.

If you cant see how they are directly related, I dont know what to tell you!

And every day an A book refuses to grade completed wagers according to their rules, its news.

**RedApples** · 07-15-20, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by bubba

If you cant see how they are directly related, I dont know what to tell you!

And every day an A book refuses to grade completed wagers according to their rules, its news.

Oh I get it completely. Thats why it made some sense the first few times it was brought into the conversation. But that information has already been added and nothing new has been added. Only you asking every time the topic has been brought up what has happened with the NHL ones? Again, that question is better in the NHL thread. Why even have both threads if they are the same topic?

I've been doing my best to add new information in regard to the NBA ones in this thread.

I've said my peace. Lets do our best to add new information rather than pontificate and complain about BetOnline not paying out wagers from other sports when there are other threads dedicated to that point.

Originally posted by bubba

And what is their reason for not cancelling nhl wagers?

**2daBank** · 07-15-20, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Statman

Have made some investments on NBA futures as well. The big thing in my mind would be the venue change. Playing at an entirely different venue for the playoffs (1 or 2 sites only) should have a big impact. Home court advantage throughout the playoffs does not mean anything now either. If anything, this might drive more "hedging" possibly? 5dimes is taking a wait and see approach. If indeed the venue does change to one of two sites, I think a refund of bets will be in order.

While I understand your stance it won’t happen.

**bubba** · 07-15-20, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by RedApples

Oh I get it completely. Thats why it made some sense the first few times it was brought into the conversation. But that information has already been added and nothing new has been added. Only you asking every time the topic has been brought up what has happened with the NHL ones? Again, that question is better in the NHL thread. Why even have both threads if they are the same topic?

I've been doing my best to add new information in regard to the NBA ones in this thread.

I've said my peace. Lets do our best to add new information rather than pontificate and complain about BetOnline not paying out wagers from other sports when there are other threads dedicated to that point.

What is allowed in your thread? just nba division wagers?conference future questions are off point? regular season wins? player stats? please let us know what you feel is relevant and what is off limits.

What if someone had a wager on who will host game 1 of the nba finals. Will Orlando be the winner if the lakers are the home team? Can that be asked here?

**DontTailMe** · 07-15-20, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by RedApples

I feel so bad for you. To spend all day long here pontificating and arguing with people. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I hope you get a life.

This isn't 'my thread'. This is an NBA futures thread. I am interested in getting issues settled. NBA ones in NBA thread make sense to me as does NHL in NHL. Anyone can post what they want, and it doesn't bother me in the least. It might be harmful to the thread though, you know all about that. On that note, I will not respond again to you in it as that is all that happens from doing so.

Just pointing out the irony. That's all. Instead of lashing out, maybe you should keep it in mind for next time.

**soobv** · 07-26-20, 11:17 PM

What's going on with this? I have some substantial bucks division wagers at 5D and still nothing. Mathematically over but they won't grade it. Will it be graded on Thursday? What if NBA never officially Announces winners?

**bubba** · 07-26-20, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by soobv

What's going on with this? I have some substantial bucks division wagers at 5D and still nothing. Mathematically over but they won't grade it. Will it be graded on Thursday? What if NBA never officially Announces winners?

5dimes set precedent with their nhl wagers that I would assume they will grade the nba divisions out (based on the standings) barring a specific announcement from the league that divsions dont have winners this year. Betonline on the other hand......

**eastvan09** · 07-28-20, 08:02 PM

Hmm. At 5Dimes I have a tiny bet on the Raptors +675. Sounds like my wager will likely be refunded.

**bubba** · 07-28-20, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by eastvan09

Hmm. At 5Dimes I have a tiny bet on the Raptors +675. Sounds like my wager will likely be refunded.

What makes you think refund?

**Ballin24** · 07-29-20, 10:33 AM

Why the hell is 5dimes taking so long to make an announcement?

**bubba** · 07-29-20, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Ballin24

Why the hell is 5dimes taking so long to make an announcement?

They graded NHL and are waiting for the nba regualr season to end. They took a while for NHL but at this point what do you want them to announce?

**eastvan09** · 07-29-20, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by bubba

What makes you think refund?

Maybe I am misunderstanding what will happen. I just spoke to 5Dimes customer service and they said there is no minimum number of games for a division winner future to be valid. So if the Raps are 1st in the Atlantic after the seeding games, will the NBA declare the Raps the division winner?

**soobv** · 07-30-20, 12:31 AM

So we need to wait for the warmup games to be over for 5d to grade divisions?

**Ballin24** · 07-30-20, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by bubba

They graded NHL and are waiting for the nba regualr season to end. They took a while for NHL but at this point what do you want them to announce?

Ya but some divisions like Milwaukee are already clinched and the 8 games don’t matter. They should already have graded those bets by now.

**DontTailMe** · 07-30-20, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Ballin24

Ya but some divisions like Milwaukee are already clinched and the 8 games don’t matter. They should already have graded those bets by now.

It's not uncommon for books to wait until the end of the season rather than grading futures as they clinch. When you bet them, you really should assume they're locked in until the end. Anything earlier is gravy.

**soobv** · 07-31-20, 01:01 AM

5dimes has always graded when clinched in prior years.

**DontTailMe** · 07-31-20, 11:30 AM

I've bet many 5Dimes futures. You're correct that they usually grade upon clinch, but not always. And the point is that they don't have to. With offshores, always assume worst case and you'll never be disappointed

**eastvan09** · 07-31-20, 03:05 PM

Sounds good. 5D graded my season futures before the season ended. Since GSW wins under and GSW to miss the playoffs were early winners.

**bubba** · 08-05-20, 11:38 AM

Betonline has (per their rules) properly cancelled all my clipper division futures (day after lakers clinched). Good job by betonline. Better communication on the matter over the last few months would have been nice, but end result was proper.

**DISTROYA** · 08-05-20, 12:15 PM

LAC was refunded, for division crown. So looks like they are adhering to their 77-game min, rule, nice.

**Optional** · 08-05-20, 05:05 PM

Phew.

Is that all these NBA and NHL futures sorted out at all offshores now?

**bubba** · 08-05-20, 05:17 PM

5dimes hasn't graded any nba divisions yet (to my best knowledge). Most of them are yet to be decided.

**DontTailMe** · 08-06-20, 01:06 AM

Originally posted by Optional

Phew.

Is that all these NBA and NHL futures sorted out at all offshores now?

No. LooseLines cancelled my NBA Make/Miss Playoff futures even though they have no game minimum rule. And there are still league-sanctioned playoffs. All of them are going to hit too. I understand why they cancelled my Regular Season Win Total futures. They had a note specifying minimum number of games. And even if they didn't, full season is kind of implied on win counting like that. But it makes no sense for make/miss playoffs unless they specify.

Edit: Coincidentally, they have the exact same bet structure right now for the NFL. Reg Season win total has a min game requirement. Make/miss playoffs has no such requirement. This is logical.

Edit2: BetOnline - the book which LooseLines copied the playoff odds from on that date back in February - has not voided these make/miss playoff wagers yet. And I don't expect them to since there is no minimum game restriction.

**soobv** · 08-07-20, 02:22 AM

5dimes still hasn't graded my milwaukee division title. Nba.com standings even show them as having clinched too

**eastvan09** · 08-07-20, 11:16 AM

Perhaps they will wait until the end of the seeding games.

A Raptors win vs Celtics tonight will clinic the Atlantic Division.