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    Quote Originally Posted by Crusherrr View Post
    Evidence? There is no evidence that it's rigged. Winning players win on every site. End of story.

    People just don't understand that they are just bad.
    Absolute
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    then we could go into bots/collusion/etc at various sites


    Those are just the things that are known

    Anyone with a brain could easily cheat the system whether you have hole cards shown or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    Agree 1000%.

    I’ve literally never met one poker player who thinks he’s a bad poker player. One of my best friends is an absolute payoff wizard who loses money 95% of the time he plays and he talks like he’s a successful poker player.
    then keep playing at betonline champ

    lets see how you end up

    because it looks to me you only are playing because bored, which is fine

    dont act like you win and only decided to start winning due to it being lockdown

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    beating the rake is hard enough

    beating any and all cheats is another thing to consider

    withdrawal costs are another


    if you are smart enough to beat poker given all that for 50k, then you are smart enough for a 125k job with benefits

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    then keep playing at betonline champ

    lets see how you end up

    because it looks to me you only are playing because bored, which is fine

    dont act like you win and only decided to start winning due to it being lockdown
    Yes, only playing because of the lockdown.

    Iím not claiming that Iím paying the mortgage from my winnings on BetOnline. But Iím not losing money.

    Believe what you wish to believe. It is possible to not lose money playing online poker.

    Again, itís not the place to earn a living. But it doesnít mean that 100% of the players are losing.

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    To add on to that........most poker players over value their starting hands K5 suited in early position for example in a 9 handed game)

    Apes love hands like that and get themselves in trouble.

    Poker isnít a good game for gamblers. Poker is a game for poker players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLock View Post
    To add on to that........most poker players over value their starting hands K5 suited in early position for example in a 9 handed game)

    Apes love hands like that and get themselves in trouble.

    Poker isn’t a good game for gamblers. Poker is a game for poker players.
    you just listed a complete donk hand.... k5s

    which makes me think you really don't know



    that would be like me saying you shouldnt hit a flop shot when there is plenty of green to work with

    no fukkin shit bro

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    For those of you who are not aware of the scandal, here is the brief story. In April 2011, the US Department of Justice seized the domains of the three biggest online poker operators in the States. And yes, Full Tilt was one of them. They were all charged for breaking the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. Millions of dollars were blocked, and players couldnít get their money back. It was a big hit for the entire poker industry and a huge shock for every person that had an account in the websites of the operators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbart View Post
    For those of you who are not aware of the scandal, here is the brief story. In April 2011, the US Department of Justice seized the domains of the three biggest online poker operators in the States. And yes, Full Tilt was one of them. They were all charged for breaking the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006. Millions of dollars were blocked, and players couldn’t get their money back. It was a big hit for the entire poker industry and a huge shock for every person that had an account in the websites of the operators.
    this thread is about poker being rigged

    having no money to pay out people actually implies it being rigged



    dont tell these clowns

    absolute, UB, etc etc....most sites were caught by now

    but no, poker isnt rigged

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    Well, FullTiltPoker was the straw that broke the camels back. Before Black Friday, several big name online poker sites had problems with former employees using their access to scam players out of their money.

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    In September 2007, members of Absolute Poker levied accusations of cheating in numerous Internet forums. Specifically, they cited suspicious results of a particular account during a tournament, claiming that this account was able to see other players’ hole cards during play. By October, news of the alleged “superuser” account spurred an investigation by KGC.
    After reviewing the complete history of the tournament in question, it was clear that a user named Potripper had access to every other player’s hole cards in the tournament through the use of a master account known as “User 363.”
    One player, “CrazyMarco,” contacted Absolute Poker to request his hand histories in a tournament that he thought had questionable play. Instead, CrazyMarco received a master hand history that contained every player’s hole cards, as well as the IP addresses of all players and observers. Of particular interest was a player named “Potripper” who was located in Costa Rica. Further, an observer at each of Potripper’s tables was also located in Costa Rica. This observer moved tables with Potripper during the tournament. The hand histories also illustrated Potripper’s perfect success rate in folding to players with winning hands and successfully bluffing players with weak hands–decisions that simply would not be possible to make without insider information.
    Despite initially denying the existence of any master account, Absolute Poker eventually conceded that a master account was, in fact, used to cheat. However, importantly, the company never admitted that it was an inside job.

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    The Ultimate Bet Poker Scandal

    In January 2008, Ultimate Bet players reported cheating that was similar to what occurred on Absolute Poker. What are the chances that two online poker sites, owned by the same person, licensed by the same commission, and using the same software become embroiled in a similar cheating scandal?
    Ultimate Bet also eventually confirmed the existence of “suspect” accounts with “abnormally high winning statistics” after being alerted to suspicious results for an account under the name “NioNio.” Subsequently, six other suspicious player accounts were identified—with 18 different screen names between them—and found to have used a single fraudulent account to target the site’s highest-limit games.
    The cheaters relied on a superuser account named “Auditmonster2,” that would observe tables and was able to see everyone player’s hole cards. This account would inform the cheating players, who would then play accordingly—bluff, call bluffs, fold, etc. In some cases, the cheaters would lose on purpose in order to deflect attention. (For a more detailed description of the actual cheating methods, check out this piece.)
    In May 2008, Ultimate Bet issued a statement that confirmed cheating had, in fact, occurred between March 2006 and December 2007. A subsequent KGC investigation found that the cheating had been going on since 2004, and had cost players millions of dollars. The Commission fined the company $1.5 million and let them continue to operate, thus triggering a mass exodus of players from the site.

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    they use more sophisticated cheating now

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    Absolute
    Ultimate
    Fulltilt money problems


    then we could go into bots/collusion/etc at various sites


    Those are just the things that are known

    Anyone with a brain could easily cheat the system whether you have hole cards shown or not
    Absolute and UB involved a superuser. Bots basically can only get away with it at the micros. They aren't able to understand sizes. You can literally 3bet them and barrel 1bb on turns and rivers 100% of the time and exploit them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    this thread is about poker being rigged

    having no money to pay out people actually implies it being rigged



    dont tell these clowns

    absolute, UB, etc etc....most sites were caught by now

    but no, poker isnt rigged
    Rigged means the RNG. Strange how poker is rigged yet the best players still find ways to win. Odd.
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    Lost a pot last night on BetOnline

    I raise in late position with JT of hearts

    I flop top straight. I also have a flush draw. I fire a bet after the villain checks. He calls.

    The turn brings a Jack. I fire again. Villian re-raises. I shove. He tanks and ultimately calls.

    River is a Q and I lose to a K high straight.


    A lot of guys walk away from that saying ďONLINE POKER IS RIGGED!Ē


    Nope. Just variance.

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