[RiverRaid]

I had Grillo vs Fitzpatrick 1st round matchup at Heritage and it was cancelled. Last time I checked Grillo was 3 back and I assumed it was a loss but when I logged into my account last night they refunded my money.

[BigDeem5]

I had Grillo vs Fitzpatrick 1st round matchup at Heritage and it was cancelled. Last time I checked Grillo was 3 back and I assumed it was a loss but when I logged into my account last night they refunded my money.

Correct ruling. BookMaker doing the opposite.

[cyclingbettor]

I had Grillo vs Fitzpatrick 1st round matchup at Heritage and it was cancelled. Last time I checked Grillo was 3 back and I assumed it was a loss but when I logged into my account last night they refunded my money.

Can't seem to find a good leaderboard anymore, but I don't think Fitzpatrick had completed his round, so cancel would be the only good option, yes.

[RiverRaid]

Thanks fellas.

[BigDeem5]

First round leader bets all have to be refunded, so how in the world could first round matchups be action?

[Optional]

First round leader bets all have to be refunded, so how in the world could first round matchups be action?

The first round was not completed to have a leader result.

Most 1st round matchups were completed.

[cyclingbettor]

First round leader bets all have to be refunded, so how in the world could first round matchups be action?

Nothing that transpires in the rest of the round could affect the outcome of a matchup between 2 players who have already completed their rounds. Whereas players still remaining on the course could affect the first round leader. In this particular case, I'm sure there's no realistic way that anyone could catch Maruyama, but these things don't work on a case by case basis. It's a grey area, though, so I'm sure there's an argument to be made in either direction.

[milwaukee mike]

Correct ruling. BookMaker doing the opposite.

the ruling on that was because fitzpatrick only played 17 holes.

my bets were for the tournament, pretty much everywhere cancelled the tournament/futures bets, yet let the 1st round matchups get graded (other than the guys that didn't finish).

[pimike]

I’ll take my 100 points Rudy.

[BigDeem5]

The first round was not completed to have a leader result.

Most 1st round matchups were completed.

How can a matchup be completed if the statistics and round don’t count?

[BigDeem5]

Nothing that transpires in the rest of the round could affect the outcome of a matchup between 2 players who have already completed their rounds. Whereas players still remaining on the course could affect the first round leader. In this particular case, I'm sure there's no realistic way that anyone could catch Maruyama, but these things don't work on a case by case basis. It's a grey area, though, so I'm sure there's an argument to be made in either direction.

Lets use that logic for baseball..

I have over 7.5, score is 8-0 and rain comes. What’s that? No action.

[Sam Losco]

First round leader bets all have to be refunded, so how in the world could first round matchups be action?

because both players in a matchup couldve finished the round, while not everyone in the leaderboard bet did

they are going to use the vague wording of “the round” against you i think. they will probably argue that meant every individual players round, not the whole round

[Optional]

How can a matchup be completed if the statistics and round don’t count?

It was completed before the event was cancelled.

You bet a lot, wouldn't you be expecting to be paid for your winner if you had bet the other side? All aspects of the wager were completed and the later event cancel did not affect the bet in any way.

[BigDeem5]

It’s a valid argument, especially with PGA announcement

[BigDeem5]

It was completed before the event was cancelled.

You bet a lot, wouldn't you be expecting to be paid for your winner if you had bet the other side? All aspects of the wager were completed and the later event cancel did not affect the bet in any way.

I mean I’d like to be paid if I was on other side, but understand the round wasn’t completed

[cyclingbettor]

Nothing that transpires in the rest of the round could affect the outcome of a matchup between 2 players who have already completed their rounds. Whereas players still remaining on the course could affect the first round leader. In this particular case, I'm sure there's no realistic way that anyone could catch Maruyama, but these things don't work on a case by case basis. It's a grey area, though, so I'm sure there's an argument to be made in either direction.

Lets use that logic for baseball..

I have over 7.5, score is 8-0 and rain comes. What’s that? No action.

Like I said, these things don't work on a case by case basis. So, if the score was 5-0 when the rain came, the outcome is still in doubt. Hence why the wager is cancelled (even though in certain cases the outcome is not in doubt). In a matchup between 2 players who have already completed their rounds, there is nothing that could possibly change that outcome, hence why the wager can be graded.

It's a grey area, though, so I'm not arguing about whether it should be graded or cancelled, I'm just explaining why one wager could be graded while the other is not.

[milwaukee mike]

It was completed before the event was cancelled.

You bet a lot, wouldn't you be expecting to be paid for your winner if you had bet the other side? All aspects of the wager were completed and the later event cancel did not affect the bet in any way.

did heritage give an explanation as to why they haven't ruled the tournament matchup bets as NO ACTION?

would they have given me a win on matsuyama to win the tournament? they have the same rule for tournament winner

If a tournament does not go the specified number of completed holes (usually 72) and is shortened by the tournament officials, the leader at the end as specified by the officials will be the winner.

[BigDeem5]

Not even disputable on tournament matchups. I’d say first round is close, but lean towards cancel

[cyclingbettor]

did heritage give an explanation as to why they haven't ruled the tournament matchup bets as NO ACTION?

would they have given me a win on matsuyama to win the tournament? they have the same rule for tournament winner

If a tournament does not go the specified number of completed holes (usually 72) and is shortened by the tournament officials, the leader at the end as specified by the officials will be the winner.

I can think of no good reason why tournament bets would not be cancelled, and I have to believe Heritage will eventually do this.

Although I am constantly surprised at the things sportsbooks manage to consider logical...

[Barrakuda]

From Bovada regarding FRL bets standing (below). The well-known "70%" rule...which appears nowhere on their site. I can guarantee you they had no liability on Matsuyama.


Thanks for contacting Bovada Customer Service.

Unfortunately, it was played more than 70% of it. That's why it was already settled.

We're available to help 24/7 if you need anything else.

Thanks,

Bovada Customer Service
service@bovada.lv

[BigDeem5]

That’s crazy too

[reallyhardtowin]

I read that if you teed off PGA would disburse half the purse. each player would get low 50's each - all same amount

[pimike]

Rudy where are you?

I want my 100 betpoints.

[ehp6737]

Has this been resolved? Did they indeed stand by their decision to grade full tournament wagers as action?

Interestingly, I had Matsuyama in their free contest, and I figured oh well once event was called off.

However, after seeing this thread I figured if they indeed did grade complete tournament wagers than logic would dictate I won the contest, right?.........Wrong

I was told prize wont be paid.

Obviously all full tournament wagers, contest, etc should all be void, but I guess they just apply different "rules" in each instance.

OP you might want to use the fact they cancelled the contest as "proof" to help your argument

[BigDeem5]

These books are criminal. I'm following up on the round 1 matchups. I was told yesterday.. BM had to wait to see an official PGA ruling. Obviously, that ruling had already been made.

[milwaukee mike]

Has this been resolved? Did they indeed stand by their decision to grade full tournament wagers as action?

Interestingly, I had Matsuyama in their free contest, and I figured oh well once event was called off.

However, after seeing this thread I figured if they indeed did grade complete tournament wagers than logic would dictate I won the contest, right?.........Wrong

I was told prize wont be paid.

Obviously all full tournament wagers, contest, etc should all be void, but I guess they just apply different "rules" in each instance.

OP you might want to use the fact they cancelled the contest as "proof" to help your argument

apparently they are sticking with the grading, even though everyone here seems to agree that the tournament matchups should be cancelled.

nba/nhl futures are going to be interesting everywhere, betonline says minimum 80 games but others don't really mention what the rules are on division winners

[RudyRuetigger]

I’ll take my 100 points Rudy.

ill need to read thread but you didnt fukkin bet me

joke post



ill fukkin argue it

[RudyRuetigger]

Lets use that logic for baseball..

I have over 7.5, score is 8-0 and rain comes. What’s that? No action.

great post


pimike, do you want to bet the 100 points

you never accepted the bet but ill take the action still

give me 2 weeks max


that is for tourney matchups, NOT 1st round matchups

[milwaukee mike]

i was told by "kathy" at heritage that the bets would probably be cancelled within 15 minutes.

that was a couple hours ago

[RudyRuetigger]

i was told by "kathy" at heritage that the bets would probably be cancelled within 15 minutes.

that was a couple hours ago

oh, so now they are canceling?


i hope pimike checks in

[HedgeHog]

i was told by "kathy" at heritage that the bets would probably be cancelled within 15 minutes.

that was a couple hours ago

I had my 6 tourney match ups finally canceled yesterday after live chat and calling them. While Bookmaker canceled all tourney matches automatically, it looks like Heritage has to manually go in and regrade the bets for each client affected. If so, it's just another reason for them to abandon this shiity setup. Hopefully they'll make use of all this downtime to go back to what works.

[RudyRuetigger]

I had my 6 tourney match ups finally canceled yesterday after live chat and calling them. While Bookmaker canceled all tourney matches automatically, it looks like Heritage has to manually go in and regrade the bets for each client affected. If so, it's just another reason for them to abandon this shiity setup. Hopefully they'll make use of all this downtime to go back to what works.

Rudy where are you?

I want my 100 betpoints.

someone tell PImike to check in

[pimike]

someone tell PImike to check in

Good morning!

Yea if you complain enough Heritage is that type of book to credit account even though they went by the rules.

So it’s not that they were wrong it’s they are helping out the player.


Lol.

[RudyRuetigger]

Good morning!

Yea if you complain enough Heritage is that type of book to credit account even though they went by the rules.

So it’s not that they were wrong it’s they are helping out the player.


Lol.

they were wrong

every other book refunded, they have to manually

what are you even arguing?

you lost

[pimike]

they were wrong

every other book refunded, they have to manually

what are you even arguing?

you lost

Just board Rudy, going through withdrawals