BROWNS Have To Fire Freddie Kitchens

**shocka1212** · 09-08-19, 07:17 PM

pretty sure I didn't see Freddie out there throwing loaves of bread to a Suss titans secondary....

**The Kraken** · 09-08-19, 07:32 PM

You’ve never seen Bellicek throw a td pass, or Phil Jackson hit a 3 either, so I guess coaches have zero value?

**shocka1212** · 09-08-19, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

You’ve never seen Bellicek throw a td pass, or Phil Jackson hit a 3 either, so I guess coaches have zero value?

I just think at some point the players have to be held accountable as well. I completely see what you're saying. The same way we can say players are put in a situation to either win or fail, coaches can too. John Dorsey needs to be held accountable for the power he's given to these players because Freddie can only do so much.

**jjgold** · 09-08-19, 07:46 PM

Yes

**WvGambler** · 09-08-19, 07:50 PM

No way....it’s always a huge success when a coordinator with no head coaching experience get a job because he’s a good coordinator under an interim coach!

Cowardly management got bullied into hiring a man who they did not want. Typical Browns stuff.

**Okieirish** · 09-08-19, 07:51 PM

Mayfield will be lucky to last 4-5 years in the league. The little smurf in Arizona will be out in less than 2 year.

**MinnesotaFats** · 09-08-19, 07:51 PM

Lincoln Riley said no this year didn't he?

**kidcudi92** · 09-08-19, 07:59 PM

Browns organization

People think talent can make you “good”

Lmao

**shocka1212** · 09-08-19, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by kidcudi92

Browns organization

People think talent can make you “good”

Lmao

always hitting the nail on the head

**shadymcgrady** · 09-08-19, 08:14 PM

Kitchens is a fraud, do the autopsy on the coaching changes last year. The QB coach was responsible for bakers emergence and the browns turn around not kitchens

**thomorino** · 09-08-19, 08:50 PM

hut the fuk up you idiot everyone who knows football knows mayfield is the issue. Oklahoma was system that made every QB look good. Penalties cost them this game but mayfield is the bigger issue longterm

**thechaoz** · 09-08-19, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Okieirish

Mayfield will be lucky to last 4-5 years in the league. The little smurf in Arizona will be out in less than 2 year.

I have large on the latter

**The Kraken** · 09-08-19, 10:00 PM

Kitchens style is too old school to work these days, we’ve seen it happen over and over again. He talks too much to the media and isnt afraid to call his team out publicly, he is going to lose this team by week 4

**kidcudi92** · 09-08-19, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Kitchens style is too old school to work these days, we’ve seen it happen over and over again. He talks too much to the media and isnt afraid to call his team out publicly, he is going to lose this team by week 4

Especially a team with a bunch of head-cases

Only Billy B can handle that

**2daBank** · 09-08-19, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by shocka1212

pretty sure I didn't see Freddie out there throwing loaves of bread to a Suss titans secondary....

lol. Guy wants him fired after one week. Guess we saw this coming, ppl see that roster and gonna blame everyone they can. On bright side for overhyped browns the Steelers look like straight ass! Lol

**2daBank** · 09-08-19, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by shadymcgrady

Kitchens is a fraud, do the autopsy on the coaching changes last year. The QB coach was responsible for bakers emergence and the browns turn around not kitchens

Big mistake letting Gregg Williams go. He a very good DC.

**deltgen** · 09-08-19, 10:22 PM

Jesus-- a bunch of you guys are over-reacting after the first game, don't you think?

**The Kraken** · 09-08-19, 10:24 PM

Im not overreacting to one loss, Im saying his style will not work. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the game but the outcome certainly put him in a position to show his colors

**The Kraken** · 09-08-19, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by shocka1212

I just think at some point the players have to be held accountable as well. I completely see what you're saying. The same way we can say players are put in a situation to either win or fail, coaches can too. John Dorsey needs to be held accountable for the power he's given to these players because Freddie can only do so much.

Ya Im with ya, at least I get your point. Mayfield played like shit and the D was swiss cheese today, thats not on Kitchens

Its just my guess his controlling style and assertiveness doesn’t go over well. These kids gotta be coddled basically, they need a friend. Unless you’re Bellicek and have a handful fo SB rings guys dont wanna play for those types of coaches. Look at AB

**2daBank** · 09-08-19, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Im not overreacting to one loss, Im saying his style will not work. It has nothing to do with the outcome of the game but the outcome certainly put him in a position to show his colors

How do we know enough about him to know this?

**2daBank** · 09-08-19, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by deltgen

Jesus-- a bunch of you guys are over-reacting after the first game, don't you think?

overreacting is what ppl do. Wait till you see the lock threads on anyone who looked good or fading teams who looked bad! Lol

**2daBank** · 09-08-19, 11:41 PM

Overreacting or not I’ll say this much. You won’t catch me betting a team much who has a wr sporting a 250k (or more) watch while playing! What a fukkin clown, lol,

**TheMoneyShot** · 09-09-19, 12:06 AM

I agree with Krak on this... Browns organization very similar to Lions organization.

Browns have better talent though. And honestly... if you can't beat the Titans on your own soil... your season is already fukked.

**BadNina** · 09-09-19, 01:47 AM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Ya Im with ya, at least I get your point. Mayfield played like shit and the D was swiss cheese today, thats not on Kitchens

Its just my guess his controlling style and assertiveness doesn’t go over well. These kids gotta be coddled basically, they need a friend. Unless you’re Bellicek and have a handful fo SB rings guys dont wanna play for those types of coaches. Look at AB

Not all the D is like that on the Browns. Mack Wilson is from Bama. Trust me. Saban didn't coddle him. But Saban also thought Wilson needed 1 more year in college before going pro, so there is that.

**PaperTrail07** · 09-09-19, 02:49 PM

I dunno-I was at the game-and it was EVERYONE's fault lol....3 and 1 they throw long----3rd and 7 handoff---overthought everything lol....5 personal fouls ect.....player ejected ect....total shit show and Titans played well

Originally posted by shocka1212

I just think at some point the players have to be held accountable as well. I completely see what you're saying. The same way we can say players are put in a situation to either win or fail, coaches can too. John Dorsey needs to be held accountable for the power he's given to these players because Freddie can only do so much.

**The Kraken** · 09-09-19, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by BadNina

Not all the D is like that on the Browns. Mack Wilson is from Bama. Trust me. Saban didn't coddle him. But Saban also thought Wilson needed 1 more year in college before going pro, so there is that.

I was more disappointed with the defense by far because they should be good. They’ve got players, they should’ve been better

The offense is going to take time, just hope they dont fall too far behind waiting on K Hunt to return....

**asiagambler** · 09-09-19, 04:05 PM

Kitchens might be another one that's more suited to being a coordinator than a head coach.

18 penalties is unacceptable and shows he doesn't have control of the locker room. Maybe he can figure things out but that is a really really poor start to his head coaching career.

**jjgold** · 09-09-19, 04:47 PM

losers

even WR's

**Grits n' Gravy** · 09-09-19, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Big mistake letting Gregg Williams go. He a very good DC.

He is quite possibly one of the worst dc in nfl. His schemes have been outdated since mid 90s.

**2daBank** · 09-09-19, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by Grits n' Gravy

He is quite possibly one of the worst dc in nfl. His schemes have been outdated since mid 90s.

Gregg Williams? You crazy. When the last time his defense hasn’t been good? Everywhere he goes he has success.

**2daBank** · 09-09-19, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

I was more disappointed with the defense by far because they should be good. They’ve got players, they should’ve been better

The offense is going to take time, just hope they dont fall too far behind waiting on K Hunt to return....

Telling ya they Shouldn’t have let Gregg Williams go.

Wtf does hunt do for them Chubb can’t? The oline is the problem not the running back. Hunt isn’t all that much more talented than Chubb. Trading one their best lineman for Vernon was stupid.

**Grits n' Gravy** · 09-10-19, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by 2daBank

Gregg Williams? You crazy. When the last time his defense hasn’t been good? Everywhere he goes he has success.

His Browns defense was garbage. The Jets will be as well.

**The Kraken** · 10-07-19, 10:36 PM

Another wasted year with a roster loaded with talent

**lonegambler23** · 10-07-19, 10:38 PM

hes an imbecile