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    Fidel_CashFlow
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    As Far As Value Goes ....

    Maybe consider Wizards +480 for the series

    Their whole team is healthy and John Wall is back and dong fine
    being the great facilitator he is

    The Raptors are the better team , they are great at home
    and have home court .

    Thos is a pretty damn good team though to be getting +480

    Spurs +900 isnít going to happen

    Bron and company own Indy , even when they had someone athletic enough
    to guard and bring it to Lebron , bit now Paul George is gone

    The close series are literally toss ups so hard to find value there

    just something to consider , I might take it small because on the court
    match up wise I think the talent is pretty damn close

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    Plus , when you are going to play a team that is +500
    there is a reason the line is high
    the Raptors have been great all year
    but in a short series things can get weird
    and especially when you are getting the +500
    main reason I’m going here with this again is because of one player
    well more than one, bit there’s one player that def makes you wonder

    The player is Bradley Beal , a real scoring machine
    who can get hit at any point , and stay hot

    A scoring talent who on the offensive side is Melo with more

    athleticism and drive in his soul
    We’ve seen this before in the first round with the prototype of player Brad Beal is
    Gortat is key too , a smart big guy who doesn’t shoot much ,but when he does
    its at close to 55 percent clip . The Wiz basically go 8 deep with legitimate talent
    and in a playoff scenario that gives you a chance as long as fatigue doesn’t
    completely offset the balance of talent
    I doubt that will be the case win or lose since the Wiz are 2 deep in every position
    except for shooting guard , but that’s fine because that inserts Satoransky
    for more minutes on the floor , very efficient minutes at that

    http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/...mas-satoransky


    Have till Sat afternoon to decide

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    you think their is value in them winning the East? C's injured, Cavs down this year, 76'ers would be tough but nigh unbeatable

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    Cash Flow... I'm trying to save you some coin here...

    No F'ing way Toronto loses the series.

    Just trying to help you out.

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    Unfortunately no

    Sixers are fukking dangerous, and I hope they get a chance to play Lebron

    There is natural god given talent , then there are specialists

    how a team is assembled far outweighs individual talents

    And the Sixers are strategically built in such a fashion that I’ve

    sat at back in awe this whole year .

    I already thought this before the season with the roster as it stood

    which is is why I took over 38.5 season wins , but the freaking pick ups

    they have added couldn’t be more strategically specific to this roster.

    gotta credit the minds of the Sixers brass as well

    Marco Belinelli and Ersan Ilyasova , look how they compliment

    and reinforce the other starters who are on that team . I can’t

    stress it enough how smart this team has been built

    The elephant in the room will be Joel Embiid

    If he’s at close to full strength Philly comes out the East

    Theu spread out all over the court with shooters as well as perimeter defenders

    on the other end , they wear you out by having replicas of their young starters

    come I off the bench . It’s a sight to see

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    + money is only value if you see them winning. No shot here. Wizards will always let ya down. Just one of those teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidel_CashFlow View Post
    Unfortunately no

    Sixers are fukking dangerous, and I hope they get a chance to play Lebron

    There is natural god given talent , then there are specialists

    how a team is assembled far outweighs individual talents

    And the Sixers are strategically built in such a fashion that I’ve

    sat at back in awe this whole year .

    I already thought this before the season with the roster as it stood

    which is is why I took over 38.5 season wins , but the freaking pick ups

    they have added couldn’t be more strategically specific to this roster.

    gotta credit the minds of the Sixers brass as well

    Marco Belinelli and Ersan Ilyasova , look how they compliment

    and reinforce the other starters who are on that team . I can’t

    stress it enough how smart this team has been built

    The elephant in the room will be Joel Embiid

    If he’s at close to full strength Philly comes out the East

    Theu spread out all over the court with shooters as well as perimeter defenders

    on the other end , they wear you out by having replicas of their young starters

    come I off the bench . It’s a sight to see
    Can see it happening if embid is healthy. He is dominant in the post, and Cleveland has ZERO rim protection. Matchup nightmare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMoneyShot View Post
    Cash Flow... I'm trying to save you some coin here...

    No F'ing way Toronto loses the series.

    Just trying to help you out.
    lol Money , there’s a reason it’s +480

    Beal and Wall are all stars who have performed solid in the playoffs

    Derozan and Lowry have not in the playoffs

    There is def openings here I’m seeing man

    If Wizz lose but you keep seeing the 4th quarters in 2-4 point games that

    could go either way , then that alone will tell me the opportunity was there

    and it came down to 50/50 execution in the closing 3 minutes

    that’s good to be in at +480

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    Quote Originally Posted by ans61201 View Post
    Can see it happening if embid is healthy. He is dominant in the post, and Cleveland has ZERO rim protection. Matchup nightmare.
    yup

    honestly they are a match up nightmare for any team

    it just comes down to if the shots will fall

    this team shouldn’t even get Lebron next year

    win or lose stick with the system , you don’t jeed any one person

    isolating and slowing down the mechanics of their offense the way it is

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    Robert Covington is the defensive shut down guy no one in the league talks about
    No player wants to be guarded by him deep down inside
    what if Fultz also logs in solid minutes too
    he just became the youngest player in NBA history to
    record a triple double

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidel_CashFlow View Post
    lol Money , there’s a reason it’s +480

    Beal and Wall are all stars who have performed solid in the playoffs

    Derozan and Lowry have not in the playoffs

    There is def openings here I’m seeing man

    If Wizz lose but you keep seeing the 4th quarters in 2-4 point games that

    could go either way , then that alone will tell me the opportunity was there

    and it came down to 50/50 execution in the closing 3 minutes

    that’s good to be in at +480
    But you need 4 games out of 7 to go Washington's way.

    John Wall is a great player... so is Beal.... but they need the entire team GOING TO WORK FOR THEM.

    I love Lowry this year. Ultra fast and quick. Toronto plays great team defense. I can't trust Washington on defense. And just a joke of a team on the Road at .500

    Toronto ultra deep too.

    GL if you select Wash

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    Wizards stink man. Inconsistent all year. The raptors might win in 4/5. Good luck.

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    Raptors will have an advantage down low, morris/gortat vs ibaka/valen2nutz/siakam/poertle/anunoby

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    Like the value at +480. If Wall played all year Wash would not be the 8th seed. GL.

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    The value just isnt there Fidel........please pass on this play.

    Wiz had an important seeding game on Wednesday, and couldnt even beat an Orlando team who was trying to lose. Orlando actually shot ahead of 2 teams by winning that game.....and Washington playe their regulars big minutes.

    Washington is a thin, thin team.....Raptors handle business in 4 or 5.

    There is value to be found in other series.....but not this one.

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    What one you like Regul8er

    im thinking bout dropping a unit on this one

    I certainly don’t see the Woz as a thin team

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    The Wizards bench is totally outmatched, and its not even close.......and Wall has missed a ton of time, and wont be able to play monster minutes.

    Pelicans at about +200 is intriguing to me. Not sure how Portland matches up with Davis.....he could have a monster series.

    Portland has the advantage with the guards, but not totally overmatched. I see this series going deep.

    Also, I really like Miami at +400.....

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    Hell no on the Miami play personally

    Another tidbit about the Wiz is they have won
    in the first round 3 straight seasons in a row

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    picked up wizards 33-1 to win the east last week. figured they were smart enough to get the 7th seed and play the wounded celtics but they blew it. no way wall comes back to playoff-speed and beats toronto. they are idiots for losing to orlando. if wall had a practice series against the celts they would have really had a chance at making a run too

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    Its always hard to predict how guys are going to perform in the playoffs.....and Philly is going to be heavily relying on guys who have zero experience. As good as a run they've been on, the intensity is going to reach a level they've never seen before. Im not saying Miami wins, but I have to take a shot at that price.

    Game 1 in the Raptor/Wiz series is probably more important then any other Game 1. If Toronto loses, bad memories will creep in. If they win, especially if they win convincingly, it will be a short series.....4 or 5 at most.

    Goodluck on your play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fidel_CashFlow View Post
    Hell no on the Miami play personally

    Another tidbit about the Wiz is they have won
    in the first round 3 straight seasons in a row
    Washington missed the playoffs 2 years ago.

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    Well the last 3 times they made it

    good point in post 20 dude

    and thanks ,man I want to wish you good luck if you
    take the Miami series bet but then I’d be being fake yo
    I really really really want to see Philly advance and beat Bron and company

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    2-2 in season series vs raps without wall playing. Raptors never win game 1, series handicap +2.5 (-110) is my play.

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    Hard to make this bet when low IQ Beal and lazy Gortat are your keys. Valanciunas is the real key to this series and I don’t see anyone on the Wiz who will stop him.

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    I just think the rosters are more even than most are admitting
    and yes, Raptors bench was good this year but so was Wizards
    guess we will see as I’m gonna lay a single unit on +500
    and hope to see some competitive games
    Beals IQ is a little off tho I know wat you mean there
    Hoping Wall really annoys Lowry

    only reason this play stuck out is because +500
    Think it has better shot then Miami or Spurs, or Indy
    Cheering for some 50/50 toed or 2 point games going into last couple minutes

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    Good luck Fidel. It seems you won't be convinced otherwise.

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    I dont think you can make an argument that Washington's bench was good.

    I see Washington's starters playing 40 minutes a game in the series.......and just dont see them keeping up with the waves of fresh, athletic bodies the Raptors will be throwing at them.

    Then again, you could win......who knows right.

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    Fidel,

    don't listen to the majority on this board theyre a bunch of dumbasses, including Lakerboy ive never seen a guy post more losers on this board in my life.


    Toronto fan here - I've been debating this with my friends for 4 years now. Kyle Lowy and Demar Derozan are the 2 most overrated players in the nba and watching this team every year in the playoffs is hilarious because they get exposed over and over and over.

    The Washington wizards ABSOLUTELY CAN win this series and anybody on this board including all the guys who responded to your thread so far are squares so don't worry about their opinions. Sharp guys will know that the bench means nothing in the playoffs and that the new nba is all about the 3 ball. The raptors haven't done much of anything to address their issues there and CJ miles hasn't panned out to be the 3 ball sharpshooter they need. This is a completely overrated team, who's starters actually trailed many teams before the bench feasted on a bunch of bums, typically eastern conference teams and garbage 2nd units.

    We are talking about a very similar starting 5 vs a very similar starting 5 from 3 years ago and really nothing major has changed. In fact I'd argue Washington's starting 5 is better than it was 3 years ago because Otto Porter is lights out.

    Literally 3 years ago these (almost) exact same starting units met and the raptors got SWEPT! I told my hometown buddies that they'd lose that series (for which they were also favourites) and I got laughed at. In fact, I cannot possibly tell you how much hate I get from (uneducated) Toronto fans when I point out (year after year) the exact same flaws in this team - (1) they don't move the ball around late in quarters or when the game is on the line and that hasn't changed at all if you analyze the end of games (2) they suck at the 3 and that hasn't changed (3) lowry still jacks up dumb shots and doesn't pass and gets blocked by people during the playoffs because hes still a midget who cant do anything when the defense tightens up and (4) derozan cant shoot the 3 if his life depended on it, and he struggles with his jumpers when the defense locks down on him.

    whatever people in the media say is completely INCORRECT and the opinions in this forum are a reflection of that. the media will tell u derozan has improved so dramatically. the truth is, he ABSOLUTLEY HAS NOT! check his stats from the last 5 years if you don't believe me. he actually regressed this year!

    the main guy who was the motor of the second unit is fren vanvleet, whos ball IQ and ability to drive and also shoot 3s was beautiful. however, he is dealing with a sore shoulder.

    ANALYZE THE STARTERS 1 BY 1

    wall over lowry , advantage Washington
    beal over derozan, advantage Washington
    porter over OG , advantage Washington
    morris over ibaka (ibaka sucks this year) advantage Washington
    valanciunas over gortat (gortat sucks this year but also missed the passes he used to get from john wall) advantage Toronto

    that's 4 to 1 advantage for Washington. its actually hilarious that they are so widely and highly regarded as massive underdogs. they can easily win this series if they go up at any point. Toronto will have all the pressure as the favourite and #1 seed, and I'm telling you they will collapse, just as I told everybody last year and the year before and the year before and the year before.

    the only advantage they carry is the bench

    so we will take vanvleet, siakam, and cj miles over satoranski, oubre, mahinmi, and ty Lawson. But is the gap between these guys so massive that Washington cant overcome it? I mean oubre was a star at Kansas and satoranski can hit the 3 ball. if you add ty Lawsons experience, Is vanvleet really that amazing that he cant be solved?

    this is a very very close matchup that can go either way. do not let these morons on this board doubt your ball i.q . go with the dog.


    Washington in 6 or 7.

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    The problem with washington is they are trying to incorporate satoransky with wall and beal on the floor and they never got the chance to do that as wall just started to come back recently. I'm not sure if the coach is going to touch on it or not I would lean that he would since sato played very well with wall out and he definitely needs to be in the rotation somewhere.

    Raptors are deceptively good as well, Jonas has finally emerged as a threat this year and fred van fleet has been playing very well off the bench.

    Too tough to call. Wall vs Lowry (cant really tell who will outplay who), Beal vs Derozan (beal a better shooter but pretty even everywhere else), Porter > whoever plays the 3 on raptors, Markieff vs Ibaka (again cant tell), this year Jonas >> Gortat but Gortat plays his role because he has Wall

    Probably comes down to coaching.

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    Value the funniest word in sports gambling there is no value in any line come on now and best of luck on the play

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    One reason why the Wizards will lose this series: The Raptors' bench.

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    Morris brother is a clumsy fool... so is the Polak Gortat.

    That's why you can't trust Washington.

    Beal and Wall can't do everything.

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    Fidel..........BOL with your action.........indy

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    wizards are 50-1 to win the east right now at betonline

    tells a big story they have no chance

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    Wizards play zero D

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