OT: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • pico
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 04-05-07
    • 27321

    #1
    OT: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    NEW YORK (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday challenged a university audience to look into "who was truly involved" in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, defended his right to question established Holocaust history and denied there were gay Iranians.


    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks Monday at Columbia University in New York.

    1 of 3 When pressed about the harsh treatment of women, homosexuals and academics who challenge Iran's government, Ahmadinejad painted a rosy picture, saying, "Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom," he said.

    He elicited laughter and boos from the audience at Columbia University when he said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country."

    His remarks, which lasted about an hour, made several general references to God, religion and science. He portrayed himself as an academic, misunderstood and unfairly criticized in the United States.

    Ahmadinejad is in New York to address the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday. He spoke at the invitation of Columbia's president, Lee Bollinger, who in his introduction excoriated the leader by saying he "exhibit[s] all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator."

    Blaming his schedule, Ahmadinejad left Columbia after his speech before answering many questions posed to him, Bollinger said.

    Hundreds gathered to protest Ahmadinejad's appearance, incensed that a leader who has publicly denied the Holocaust and called for the destruction of the state of Israel was given a prestigious forum to espouse his beliefs.


    Ahmadinejad on CNN
    CNN's Christiane Amanpour goes one-on-one with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Wednesday, on "AC 360."
    Wednesday, 10 p.m. ET

    see full schedule »
    Christine C. Quinn, speaker of the New York City Council, said Columbia should not be giving Ahmadinejad a platform. "All he will do on that stage ... is spew more hatred and more venom out there to the world," she said.

    Hamid Dabasi, a professor of Iranian studies at Columbia called the whole forum "misguided."

    Refusing to back off of his stance on Israel, Ahmadinejad again questioned whether the Holocaust happened.

    "If the Holocaust is a reality of our time, a history that occurred, why is there not sufficient research that can approach the topic from different perspectives?" he asked.

    Don't Miss
    A new arms race in the Middle East
    Ahmadinejad won't press ground zero visit
    Ahmadinejad eager to teach Americans about world
    Iran says it's not building A-bomb
    The Iranian leader has made statements in the past suggesting Israel be politically "wiped off the map," though he insists that can be accomplished without violence. See some of Ahmadinejad's controversial remarks »

    While he would not respond with a "yes" or "no" when asked Monday if he sought the destruction of Israel, he said the status of Israel should be determined by a free election.

    "Let the people of Palestine freely choose what they want for their future," he said.

    Ahmadinejad has drawn fire for defying international demands that Iran halt production of enriched uranium.

    At Columbia, he said Iran is a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the world's central nuclear technology governing body, and has submitted many times to IAEA inspections. "Over and over again the agency's reports indicate that Iran's activities are peaceful, that they have not detected a deviation," he said.

    Washington and other nations accuse Tehran of trying to create a nuclear weapons program. Watch reaction to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia University »

    Ahmadinejad said Iran questions "the way the world is being run and managed today."

    But he said Iran would hold talks with the U.S. government "under fair and just circumstances."

    U.S. officials have said Iranian explosives and weapons are making their way to Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq's sectarian conflict and have been used against U.S. troops in the four-year-old war. U.S. commanders have said they have captured Iranian agents involved in supplying those weapons to the militias, some of which have longstanding ties to Iran.

    On this point, Ahmadinejad employed a tactic he used often Monday -- answering questions with more questions.

    Bollinger asked, "Why is your government providing aid to terrorists? Will you stop doing so and permit international monitoring to certify that you have stopped?"

    Through a translator, Ahmadinejad replied, "Well, I want to pose a question here to you. If someone comes and explodes bombs around you, threatens your president, members of the administration, kills the members of the Senate or Congress, how would you treat them? Would you reward them or would you name them a terrorist group? Well, it's clear. You would call them a terrorist."

    Earlier Ahmadinejad had said he wanted to visit ground zero in New York to "pay his respects" to those who died in the attack on the twin towers at the World Trade Center. Several groups were outraged. Security became an issue and the visit was canceled. Asked what he hoped to accomplish there, the Iranian president said it was unfair he could not extend his sympathies to victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

    Addressing the press directly, he seemed to make a connection between the "root causes" of the September 11, 2001 attacks and a solution in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    "If the root causes of 9/11 are examined properly -- why it happened, what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved, who was really involved -- and put it all together to understand how to prevent the crisis in Iraq, fix the problem in Afghanistan and Iraq combined."

    He stressed repeatedly that Iran wants to negotiate with the United States and other nations, several times describing Iran as a "cultured" and "civilized" nation.

    "I think that if the U.S. administration, if the U.S. government puts aside some of its old behaviors, it can actually be a good friend for the Iranian people, for the Iranian nation," he said. "For 28 years, they've consistently threatened us, insulted us, prevented our scientific development, every day, under one pretext or another."

    As he ended his talk at Columbia, he invited faculty and students to visit any university in Iran they choose.

    "We'll give you the platform. We'll respect you 100 percent. We will have our students sit there and listen to you, speak with you, hear what you have to say," he assured.

    Earlier Monday, in a question-and-answer videoconference with the National Press Club, Ahmadinejad said the Middle East can govern itself without interference from the United States and other Western nations.

    Speaking from New York to the luncheon in Washington, Ahmadinejad said Iran wanted to see "an independent powerful Iraq ... which will benefit the entire region."

    "We are two nations interconnected," he said of Iran and Iraq. "We are brothers and friends."


    But he said the region didn't need U.S. help.

    "We oppose the way the U.S. government tries to manage the world. ... We propose more humane methods of establishing peace," he said.
  • louisvillekid
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 08-14-07
    • 9262

    #2
    he sounds delusional.
    Comment
    • ShamsWoof10
      SBR MVP
      • 11-15-06
      • 4827

      #3
      Originally posted by picoman
      NEW YORK (CNN) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday challenged a university audience to look into "who was truly involved" in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, defended his right to question established Holocaust history and denied there were gay Iranians.


      Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaks Monday at Columbia University in New York.

      1 of 3 When pressed about the harsh treatment of women, homosexuals and academics who challenge Iran's government, Ahmadinejad painted a rosy picture, saying, "Women in Iran enjoy the highest levels of freedom," he said.

      He elicited laughter and boos from the audience at Columbia University when he said, "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country."

      His remarks, which lasted about an hour, made several general references to God, religion and science. He portrayed himself as an academic, misunderstood and unfairly criticized in the United States.

      Ahmadinejad is in New York to address the United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday. He spoke at the invitation of Columbia's president, Lee Bollinger, who in his introduction excoriated the leader by saying he "exhibit[s] all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator."

      Blaming his schedule, Ahmadinejad left Columbia after his speech before answering many questions posed to him, Bollinger said.

      Hundreds gathered to protest Ahmadinejad's appearance, incensed that a leader who has publicly denied the Holocaust and called for the destruction of the state of Israel was given a prestigious forum to espouse his beliefs.


      Ahmadinejad on CNN
      CNN's Christiane Amanpour goes one-on-one with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Wednesday, on "AC 360."
      Wednesday, 10 p.m. ET

      see full schedule »
      Christine C. Quinn, speaker of the New York City Council, said Columbia should not be giving Ahmadinejad a platform. "All he will do on that stage ... is spew more hatred and more venom out there to the world," she said.

      Hamid Dabasi, a professor of Iranian studies at Columbia called the whole forum "misguided."

      Refusing to back off of his stance on Israel, Ahmadinejad again questioned whether the Holocaust happened.

      "If the Holocaust is a reality of our time, a history that occurred, why is there not sufficient research that can approach the topic from different perspectives?" he asked.

      Don't Miss
      A new arms race in the Middle East
      Ahmadinejad won't press ground zero visit
      Ahmadinejad eager to teach Americans about world
      Iran says it's not building A-bomb
      The Iranian leader has made statements in the past suggesting Israel be politically "wiped off the map," though he insists that can be accomplished without violence. See some of Ahmadinejad's controversial remarks »

      While he would not respond with a "yes" or "no" when asked Monday if he sought the destruction of Israel, he said the status of Israel should be determined by a free election.

      "Let the people of Palestine freely choose what they want for their future," he said.

      Ahmadinejad has drawn fire for defying international demands that Iran halt production of enriched uranium.

      At Columbia, he said Iran is a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the world's central nuclear technology governing body, and has submitted many times to IAEA inspections. "Over and over again the agency's reports indicate that Iran's activities are peaceful, that they have not detected a deviation," he said.

      Washington and other nations accuse Tehran of trying to create a nuclear weapons program. Watch reaction to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia University »

      Ahmadinejad said Iran questions "the way the world is being run and managed today."

      But he said Iran would hold talks with the U.S. government "under fair and just circumstances."

      U.S. officials have said Iranian explosives and weapons are making their way to Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq's sectarian conflict and have been used against U.S. troops in the four-year-old war. U.S. commanders have said they have captured Iranian agents involved in supplying those weapons to the militias, some of which have longstanding ties to Iran.

      On this point, Ahmadinejad employed a tactic he used often Monday -- answering questions with more questions.

      Bollinger asked, "Why is your government providing aid to terrorists? Will you stop doing so and permit international monitoring to certify that you have stopped?"

      Through a translator, Ahmadinejad replied, "Well, I want to pose a question here to you. If someone comes and explodes bombs around you, threatens your president, members of the administration, kills the members of the Senate or Congress, how would you treat them? Would you reward them or would you name them a terrorist group? Well, it's clear. You would call them a terrorist."

      Earlier Ahmadinejad had said he wanted to visit ground zero in New York to "pay his respects" to those who died in the attack on the twin towers at the World Trade Center. Several groups were outraged. Security became an issue and the visit was canceled. Asked what he hoped to accomplish there, the Iranian president said it was unfair he could not extend his sympathies to victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

      Addressing the press directly, he seemed to make a connection between the "root causes" of the September 11, 2001 attacks and a solution in Iraq and Afghanistan.

      "If the root causes of 9/11 are examined properly -- why it happened, what caused it, what were the conditions that led to it, who truly was involved, who was really involved -- and put it all together to understand how to prevent the crisis in Iraq, fix the problem in Afghanistan and Iraq combined."

      He stressed repeatedly that Iran wants to negotiate with the United States and other nations, several times describing Iran as a "cultured" and "civilized" nation.

      "I think that if the U.S. administration, if the U.S. government puts aside some of its old behaviors, it can actually be a good friend for the Iranian people, for the Iranian nation," he said. "For 28 years, they've consistently threatened us, insulted us, prevented our scientific development, every day, under one pretext or another."

      As he ended his talk at Columbia, he invited faculty and students to visit any university in Iran they choose.

      "We'll give you the platform. We'll respect you 100 percent. We will have our students sit there and listen to you, speak with you, hear what you have to say," he assured.

      Earlier Monday, in a question-and-answer videoconference with the National Press Club, Ahmadinejad said the Middle East can govern itself without interference from the United States and other Western nations.

      Speaking from New York to the luncheon in Washington, Ahmadinejad said Iran wanted to see "an independent powerful Iraq ... which will benefit the entire region."

      "We are two nations interconnected," he said of Iran and Iraq. "We are brothers and friends."


      But he said the region didn't need U.S. help.

      "We oppose the way the U.S. government tries to manage the world. ... We propose more humane methods of establishing peace," he said.
      There are so many hints in this article that point to he and the US playing the game on not only US citizens but everyone else as well...

      The script used for the IRAQ war was a lot better then the one they are using for IRAN... It's like Major League and Major League 2... The first one is good and the second is just dull...

      In general the conditionning is no doubt working... It got off to a very slow start though a few years ago when the IRAN drumbeat started ...I will say that... I have a friend who back in 03' said "If we go to war with IRAN I'll be pissed because that will be all bullsh*t"... He and some others are coming in for Homecoming Oct. 6th and I am going to ask him what he thinks about IRAN... I already know his answer as it will go right along with the conditioning..something along the lines of...."Well dude that president is an evil guy and he said he would wipe out countries and doesn't think the Holocaust happened..." Why do they even mention that..? It's supposed to be freedome of speech and he has an opinion that is attacked... Condi Rice the other day mentioned it. "Well he's a Holocaust denier.." So f*ckin' what... what does she want to do send our troops over there to force feed an opinion... This whole thing is STUPID

      ATTENTION CIA: I need some gambling money so employ me and I promise in three weeks I'll have every American ready to kick IRANIAN as*..

      BTW Iranians are NOT ARABS!!! If the script does work and we go over there I'll tell ya' what IRANIANS are mean as f*ck and IRAQ is cake compare to these guys...

      Comment
      • katstale
        SBR MVP
        • 02-07-07
        • 3924

        #4
        I really do try to stay out of these threads. BUT, a couple of points. Yes the guy is delusional. Yes he wants to kill you. No, you cannot negotiate yourself out of this situation.

        Finally, if the Iranians are so much better fighters than the Iraqui's--how come it was a stalemate war with Sadaam for years?? It would be over in less than 30 days AND surely more efficient as we have learned from mistakes with the neighbor.

        The Russians in the caucasus region have known for years what we are just now waking up too (hopefully)--you must put rabid dogs down. Then you can sleep and you won't need to worry abt your children being blown up in a pizza parlor by these brave, courageous fighters.

        Ok, i swear that is it for me in this thread.
        Comment
        • Seattle Slew
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-02-06
          • 7373

          #5
          What this nut shows is we can't police the world, no matter how much we want to. Let them do what they want in their own country. If they step out and sponsor terrorism, bomb them like Reagan did with Libya.

          You don't need to start wars with these countries or try and change their ways. It's hopeless and we shouldn't care. Sooner or later, they will get the message. Even Saddam played the weapons inspections game for a while, then kicked them out to try and save face.

          I think the bombing flyovers accomplish more than any war will ever do.
          Comment
          • ShamsWoof10
            SBR MVP
            • 11-15-06
            • 4827

            #6
            Originally posted by katstale
            Yes the guy is delusional. Yes he wants to kill you. No, you cannot negotiate yourself out of this situation.
            NOW WE'RE TALKIN'... When enough people feel this way that's when we'll go to war with IRAN... I say more conditionning needs to be done... a year or two more and it's on... If you want to know when we are close pay attention to the average person's perspective...

            Originally posted by katstale
            Finally, if the Iranians are so much better fighters than the Iraqui's--how come it was a stalemate war with Sadaam for years?? It would be over in less than 30 days AND surely more efficient as we have learned from mistakes with the neighbor.
            Ummmm "chemical weapons" maybe..? I'll give you one guess who gave it to them..? I'll give ya' a hint..the people that gave Saddam the CW's are the same people that sold weapons to BOTH SIDES!

            WELL MMMMMMMMMMMMKAY!!!

            Comment
            • ShamsWoof10
              SBR MVP
              • 11-15-06
              • 4827

              #7
              Originally posted by Seattle Slew
              What this nut shows is we can't police the world, no matter how much we want to. Let them do what they want in their own country. If they step out and sponsor terrorism, bomb them like Reagan did with Libya.

              I think the bombing flyovers accomplish more than any war will ever do.
              How does everyone know he's a nut when a year or two ago they didn't even know who he was... This is just repeating because there is no explanation to why he is a nut ...just that he is... amazing...

              Flyovers will do nothing!!!

              Comment
              • pico
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 04-05-07
                • 27321

                #8
                the current administration never plan to win the war. if they go in fight, then pull out, nothing will change. in order to keep US interest in the middle-east, there gotta be troops there at all time. bush asked for troop increase and got denied by the congress. that is part of his plan, he is shifting the blame to the congress that this war drags on forever. what bush administration really want is to stretch this war as long as possible, and they know troops increase will not get approved. they're smart and the democrate congress are playing their part perfectly here.

                the current cabinet members are all veterans, they all know the risks of going into iraq. i think the war is going according to their plan. as long as they keep US troops death to a min, they can drag this out much longer. the role of troops there is like a ring referee in a boxing match...make sure they're fighting each other but step in if one side is about to get knocked out. most people dying are iraqi themselves. i think during the vietname war the ratio was (3 million to 500k) 6:1. i am not sure the death count in this war so far, i think it gotta be more efficient than vietnam war.
                Comment
                • ShamsWoof10
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-15-06
                  • 4827

                  #9
                  Originally posted by picoman
                  the current administration never plan to win the war. if they go in fight, then pull out, nothing will change. in order to keep US interest in the middle-east, there gotta be troops there at all time. bush asked for troop increase and got denied by the congress. that is part of his plan, he is shifting the blame to the congress that this war drags on forever. what bush administration really want is to stretch this war as long as possible, and they know troops increase will not get approved. they're smart and the democrate congress are playing their part perfectly here.

                  the current cabinet members are all veterans, they all know the risks of going into iraq. i think the war is going according to their plan. as long as they keep US troops death to a min, they can drag this out much longer. the role of troops there is like a ring referee in a boxing match...make sure they're fighting each other but step in if one side is about to get knocked out. most people dying are iraqi themselves. i think during the vietname war the ratio was (3 million to 500k) 6:1. i am not sure the death count in this war so far, i think it gotta be more efficient than vietnam war.
                  VERY GOOD POST DUDE!!!

                  Originally posted by picoman
                  as long as they keep US troops death to a min, they can drag this out much longer.
                  Or lie about the count and just keep asking for more troops to replace the dead and wounded...

                  Comment
                  • bradleysnyder
                    Restricted User
                    • 04-18-07
                    • 6662

                    #10
                    Woof!
                    Comment
                    • DrunkenLullaby
                      SBR MVP
                      • 03-30-07
                      • 1631

                      #11
                      Damn Shams, the more of your stuff I read, the more I wonder how we disagreed on anything!
                      Comment
                      • ShamsWoof10
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-15-06
                        • 4827

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DrunkenLullaby
                        Damn Shams, the more of your stuff I read, the more I wonder how we disagreed on anything!
                        Originally posted by bradleysnyder
                        Woof!
                        Thanks boys!!!..and thanks for reading it..

                        Don't forget... the Cubs win it this year!

                        BTW that new movie "The Kingdom" is conditionning for Saudi Arabia that is probably in the future sometime (inside 10 years)... Damn mother f*ckers are moving on already to the next one... It must be Loyd Carr in charge of planning and he thinks IRAN is APP. St.

                        WOOOOOOOOF!

                        Comment
                        • raiders72002
                          SBR MVP
                          • 03-06-07
                          • 3368

                          #13








                          4 parts on youtube
                          Comment
                          • Skankdog
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 08-25-07
                            • 174

                            #14
                            I want to state a fact here on this page:
                            George Bush is responsible for killing more people in this war on terror than any other group in the world. I hate the fact that we criticize the shit out of people when maybe we should start in our own back yard first!
                            Yes, there are a lot of bad guys out there, but we have the worst one!
                            Comment
                            • Dark Horse
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 12-14-05
                              • 13764

                              #15
                              It's funny how so many Americans blindly believe that this guy is delusional. I listened to his entire speech at Columbia University. Not a bad guy at all. A lot more honest and clearheaded than virtually any US politician these days. He reminded me somewhat of how an American Indian might have spoken. Yet the US media present him like a dictator. Why? The answer is obvious. This US 'opinion', just as US politicians, is controlled by Israel. Not a single US politician dares to say anything negative about Israel (considered political suicide, because Israel immediately responds with antisemitism accusations in the media). And so the Iranian president is painted like the next Hitler. And the majority of the American people swallows it without as much as chewing. Sad.

                              Criticism of Zionists is NOT anti-semitism. Zionists are racists.
                              Comment
                              • swifty
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 02-22-06
                                • 672

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                Thanks boys!!!..and thanks for reading it..

                                Don't forget... the Cubs win it this year! NEVER

                                BTW that new movie "The Kingdom" is conditionning for Saudi Arabia that is probably in the future sometime (inside 10 years)... Damn mother f*ckers are moving on already to the next one... It must be Loyd Carr in charge of planning and he thinks IRAN is APP. St.

                                WOOOOOOOOF!

                                agree wit hall the post in here. but Boston Red Sox world champs
                                Comment
                                • paul Mordeeb
                                  SBR High Roller
                                  • 05-12-07
                                  • 220

                                  #17
                                  "George Bush is responsible for killing more people in this war on terror than any other group in the world."

                                  Excuse me but there is a group in Darfur that feel your selling very short! They claim to have killed more than Bush. They said they can beat any number you say Bush is responsible for!!!
                                  Comment
                                  • jjgold
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 07-20-05
                                    • 388179

                                    #18
                                    He is dead on about Israel and the Mid East
                                    Comment
                                    • Dark Horse
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 12-14-05
                                      • 13764

                                      #19
                                      Very much so. He represents what Israel and US politicians don't want you to know about the Middle East.

                                      Ask yourself why there is so much hype and hysteria in the media about Ahmadinejad. Why aren't the media objective? What has this guy done to us?
                                      Comment
                                      • ShamsWoof10
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-15-06
                                        • 4827

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                        It's funny how so many Americans blindly believe that this guy is delusional. I listened to his entire speech at Columbia University. Not a bad guy at all. A lot more honest and clearheaded than virtually any US politician these days. He reminded me somewhat of how an American Indian might have spoken. Yet the US media present him like a dictator. Why? The answer is obvious. This US 'opinion', just as US politicians, is controlled by Israel. Not a single US politician dares to say anything negative about Israel (considered political suicide, because Israel immediately responds with antisemitism accusations in the media). And so the Iranian president is painted like the next Hitler. And the majority of the American people swallows it without as much as chewing. Sad.

                                        Criticism of Zionists is NOT anti-semitism. Zionists are racists.
                                        I read the transcript and I agree he sounds like an ok guy but it's amazing how the ones who get info. from VIACOM, DISNEY, and GE have a different opinion...

                                        I believe Zionists are a political group with a hidden agenda that does NOT have the jews or arabs best interest at heart... They are more or less "Satanists"...

                                        IMO you guys are preeeeeetty much on about ISREAL but only on the surface... Their is a hidden agenda though..

                                        Comment
                                        • pico
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 04-05-07
                                          • 27321

                                          #21
                                          he is one smart guy. he came to a hostel territory and still talk like a man. i am pretty impressed. he did not make one single mistake, answered/avoided al the questions with grace.

                                          but he does seem to be too smart to have too much power. i think it is actually wise to elect a dumbass in the US...i rather have a dumb evil mother ****er than a smart evil mother ****er.

                                          i was reading the posts on youtube, one comment does seem interesting: "poligamy is illegal in the USA, so why are we so hard on iran banning homosexuality?" i think iran can pose their own rules, since they're a sovereign country. if you're gay and you're in iran, you better act like a republican or leave the country.
                                          Comment
                                          • Spyder31
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 08-30-07
                                            • 1732

                                            #22
                                            Ahmadinejad is just the talking head. He doesnt rule Iran. Just like Bush and the U.S. We can look down on him but hes just the face. Iran is run by other religious leaders. Oh yeah, and I was with you Sham until the cubs comment.
                                            Comment
                                            • BuddyBear
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 7233

                                              #23
                                              Pound for pound, one of the most intelligent and suave leaders there is in the world today. Look at Bush just how stupid he is...look at Bush whose hands are soaked in blood and finds himself in a losing war and finds himself the biggest villain in the world and using blackmail to force allies in Europe to cooperate with him....while Ahmedejean is gaining momentum meeting routinely with world powers in China and Russia and in the Middle East and Africa and Latin America and South America....whose the smart guy now....i'll give you a clue, not the "gunslinging cowboy."

                                              By the way, you guys really think this guy is stupid enough to believe the Holocaust did not happen? The guy has a Ph.D...he was a college professor before being the president of Iran. This guy is challenging your intelligence when he makes statements like that. He is asking you to think deeper and in more abstract terms....that's what most geniuses make you do. You really think he believes there are no gays in Iran? Ahemedjean is playing with you fools and egging you on and most dumb Americans are falling for it b/c they get their news from Fox and guys like Sean Hannity and John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly and other corporate stooges.


                                              It's unfortunate that almost everyone is so brainwashed by the Israeli propaganda machine in this country. It was a sad day when America gave up its independence and officially became a colony of Israel.
                                              Comment
                                              • WileOut
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 02-04-07
                                                • 3844

                                                #24
                                                Edited by WileOut. I aint gonna start.
                                                Comment
                                                • WileOut
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 02-04-07
                                                  • 3844

                                                  #25
                                                  Edited by wileout. see above post.
                                                  Comment
                                                  • ShamsWoof10
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 11-15-06
                                                    • 4827

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Spyder31
                                                    Ahmadinejad is just the talking head. He doesnt rule Iran. Just like Bush and the U.S. We can look down on him but hes just the face. Iran is run by other religious leaders. Oh yeah, and I was with you Sham until the cubs comment.
                                                    I was impressed by how cool he was too Pico BUT I am by far more impressed at how well the script is going.. I honestly didn't think the public would buy this format after IRAQ but it looks like I am wrong... This is amazing wittnessing this...

                                                    I'm tellin ya' watch those Cubs!!! They will WOOF the World Series this year...

                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                    Pound for pound, one of the most intelligent and suave leaders there is in the world today. Look at Bush just how stupid he is...
                                                    I agree in both cases He is intelligent and suave as well as Bush being the global idiot but this is their given role to play... It's like they are actors reading scripts and we are the audience (the ones maniplulated by the act)

                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                    This guy is challenging your intelligence when he makes statements like that. He is asking you to think deeper and in more abstract terms....that's what most geniuses make you do. You really think he believes there are no gays in Iran? Ahemedjean is playing with you fools and egging you on and most dumb Americans are falling for it b/c they get their news from Fox and guys like Sean Hannity and John Gibson and Bill O'Reilly and other corporate stooges.
                                                    I agree he is challenging you to think and he says it directly... He may believe it didn't happen... I don't believe it did either in the sense in which they say it did...

                                                    Originally posted by BuddyBear
                                                    It's unfortunate that almost everyone is so brainwashed by the Israeli propaganda machine in this country. It was a sad day when America gave up its independence and officially became a colony of Israel.
                                                    I think people would get a better perspective if they didn't think about the media as "The Media" but more like companies... You're not watching ABC you're watcing Disney, you're not watching the NBC stations you are watching GE an so on... People know but it doesn't click...

                                                    Hey WOut I read your post before you edited it and you should not edit your opinion.. It's what you think and I don't agree with it at all but I respect it... WO didn't know anything about IRAN during the IRAQ war because the media didn't present it to him yet... He is simply following his programming and as insulting as it may seem it's very true... WO probably went from Bin Laden to Saddam to this guy now and then someone new will be presented to him and his focus will shift again but so natural that he won't even notice it...

                                                    Good stuff here guys... Good comments and so on...

                                                    Comment
                                                    • BuddyBear
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                      • 7233

                                                      #27
                                                      I disagree with the statement on the Holocaust. While I am very much against the Israeli government and all its war crimes and very much pro-Palestinian there is nothing that can convince me that the Holocaust did not happen. Sure maybe some numbers are off here and there but when you are talking about millions upon millions of Jews (and other groups) who were systematically eliminated without any records in the most vicious and inhumane of methods possible of course there is going to be some discrepencies as to what really happened. Whether 6 million or 4 million or how ever many died is highly irrelevant to me or the means upon which they died is not even remotely relevant to any discussion about the legitimacy of the Holocaust.

                                                      To me, criticizing Israel is more than fair game and is not done enough and I could do it at length don't get me wrong....but any doubts about the veracity of the Holocaust and the long suffering of the Jewish people is not only morally reprehensible but is disrespectful to the memories of those who perished during those years.

                                                      As liberals, we have an obligation and duty to stand with those who needlessly suffer at the hands of rouge goverments and are the victims of oppression and tyranny.

                                                      We should avoid confusion of the events of the Holocaust with the oppression of the Palestinian people. It's true that Israel is committing war crime after war crime with the aid of the American government and the ill-informed American public, but these are separate events (while distantly related) but they both represent suffering at the hand tyrannical governments.
                                                      Comment
                                                      • ritehook
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 08-12-06
                                                        • 2244

                                                        #28
                                                        Pretty much agree with Dark, Sham, Pico, Spyder, JJ, Buddy.

                                                        Heard some dimwit on talk radio call him a dictator. Actually, he was elected in a free nationwide vote by the people. After making a bunch of populist promises to improve the lot of the poor, promises he hasn't kept. And so his popularity in Iran is diminished. (Sounds like he could run for office here, we also have office holders who love to make phony promises.)

                                                        He hosted a seminar on the Holocaust. So what? That's an historical event, fully open to revision, as are all historiacal events. It's not a religion. (Or is it?)

                                                        I personally don't give a sh*t if Iran ever does get nuclear weapons. Israel has them, as a deterrence. lWhy not Iran? There are as many koo-koo religious fanatics in Israel as in Iran, and Israel hasn't nuked anyone.

                                                        The US made a deal with Khaddafi, the ruler of Libya, a nation that zapped a plane out of the air over Scotland, killing many Americans. Iran never did that.

                                                        The CIA overthrew an elected Iranian leader back in the '50s and put a Standard Oil stooge on the throne of Iran. The folks in power there now kicked that guy out some years ago.

                                                        Iran has far more reason to be mad at us than we at them. I suspect all this stuff about them supplying weapons to Iraqi insurgents is more full of bull propaganda.
                                                        Comment
                                                        • DaveRabbit
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 06-14-07
                                                          • 182

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                                                          Good stuff here guys... Good comments and so on...
                                                          !
                                                          Comment
                                                          • ShamsWoof10
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 11-15-06
                                                            • 4827

                                                            #30
                                                            Considering how many people there was on earth at the time 6 million jews sounds very very inflated... My guess is half to one million and I DO NOT believe they were just lined up and shot or gased... I believe very smart (ruthless but smart) people did many differant types of experiments on them which resulted in their death... This doesn't make it right..I'm just sayin'...

                                                            Think about it... that can be valuble scientific data but instead they just killed them...? It doesn't make sense... why not gain knowledge instead of waste it..? IMO it may be the biggest human lab in modern history but who knows...

                                                            For you "GOOGLERS" google "Dr. Joseph Meggal".. I am almost sure his name is spelled wrong..sorry.. He headed the mind control experiments in Germany and was flown into the US along with the other scientists to continue their research under CIA code name ML Ultra and others in the late 40's and 50's... Fellas they know how the human mind works better then you can even imagine...

                                                            Comment
                                                            • pico
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 04-05-07
                                                              • 27321

                                                              #31
                                                              i am not really upto date on jew news. but did he deny holocost ever existed? or did he just questioning total number of jew killed during the holocost?

                                                              of he is denying holocost ever happened, then he is lying through his teeth, but the total number can be misleading and the concentration camp workers might not know what they were doing at the time. but it is crazy to argue holocost never happened.
                                                              Comment
                                                              • ritehook
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 08-12-06
                                                                • 2244

                                                                #32
                                                                Holocaust stuff came out of WWII, and I'm distrustful of any wartime propaganda.

                                                                In WWI the English put out tall stories about German troops raping nuns and bayoneting Belgian babies. After the war they admitted it was all made up, propaganda to get the home folks and allied troops in a fighting rage.

                                                                Iranian president, as I undnerstand it, held a conference to asccertain whether all the allegeations about Holocaust were factual, and invited scholars in Europe and America who disagree with the official version. Sounds like legitimat scholarly investigations to me.

                                                                I think he did it to tweak the Western media, who were enraged that a death threat was issued against a Danish paper for mocking Mohammed. Iran's point was that different themes bug different people, and that respect was a two-way street

                                                                BTW, a scholar who recently died (sorry, forgot his name) who was the leading authority on the Holocaust (he was Jewish, and living and teaching in the USA) had acknowledged that there were no gas chambers in Germany, not at Dachau, Bergen-Belsen etc. Only in Auschwith, which was for a long time behind the Iron Curtain.

                                                                I don't think inquiri on any subject should ever be closed. I don't agree, for instnace with those who say the WTC was not destroyed by the terrorist planes, but they deserve a hearing of their maverick views. "Contrarians" have a place, both on Wall Street, in historical inquirey ---- and also in sport bettting forums!
                                                                Comment
                                                                • ShamsWoof10
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 11-15-06
                                                                  • 4827

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ritehook
                                                                  Holocaust stuff came out of WWII, and I'm distrustful of any wartime propaganda.

                                                                  In WWI the English put out tall stories about German troops raping nuns and bayoneting Belgian babies. After the war they admitted it was all made up, propaganda to get the home folks and allied troops in a fighting rage.

                                                                  Iranian president, as I undnerstand it, held a conference to asccertain whether all the allegeations about Holocaust were factual, and invited scholars in Europe and America who disagree with the official version. Sounds like legitimat scholarly investigations to me.

                                                                  I think he did it to tweak the Western media, who were enraged that a death threat was issued against a Danish paper for mocking Mohammed. Iran's point was that different themes bug different people, and that respect was a two-way street

                                                                  BTW, a scholar who recently died (sorry, forgot his name) who was the leading authority on the Holocaust (he was Jewish, and living and teaching in the USA) had acknowledged that there were no gas chambers in Germany, not at Dachau, Bergen-Belsen etc. Only in Auschwith, which was for a long time behind the Iron Curtain.

                                                                  I don't think inquiri on any subject should ever be closed. I don't agree, for instnace with those who say the WTC was not destroyed by the terrorist planes, but they deserve a hearing of their maverick views. "Contrarians" have a place, both on Wall Street, in historical inquirey ---- and also in sport bettting forums!
                                                                  Very good post...

                                                                  BTW my dad was in the military back in the middle east and he told me he visited all the camps as a tour of duty and he told me he only saw four chambers but two had never been used...

                                                                  I believe one or two would be used... Torture is a key or should I say WAS a key element in mind control and programming a person... This is also now still going on in camps like Abu Graub... Bringing someone near death and returning them is a very very powerful tool for mind control... Drugs and torture I know were two main elements... There are more and when all the elements are used together you would be amazed at the results...

                                                                  Manchurian Candiate anyone..?

                                                                  Comment
                                                                  • ritehook
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 08-12-06
                                                                    • 2244

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Ihterestihg discussion. From what I undersstand US Intelligence had captured Geman prisoners build the chambers at Dachau after the war was over, for prop purposes.

                                                                    The leadihg US expert on gas chambers and all manner of legal executions once took a look at the purported gas chamber in Auschwitz and stated that there was no way mass executions could have been done there. Guy named Luckner, or like that

                                                                    Prisoners were supposedly routinely tortured by US and British intelligence to get high ranking prisoners to say what they wanted to hear.

                                                                    Horrendous things happened in WWII. All sides committed atrocities - read some of the old war books pubblished during WWII for true accounts of atrocities against the "dirty yellow Japs."

                                                                    When something is propandized to the point where it's universally believed and accepted as gospel --- that's when I figure the ol' wool is being pulled over the ol' eyes!
                                                                    Comment
                                                                    • BuddyBear
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                                      • 7233

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Trust me, I am very much for academic freedom and the pursuit of scholarship and indeed any questions about the Holocaust deserve serious scholarly consideration. And I agree that any attempt to suppress "Holocaust deniers" from their Constitutional rights to free speech should be frowned upon. It's the Holocaust deniers who need our support the most when it comes to being able to express their views...no matter what you think of them you have to allow them to speak and publish.

                                                                      That being the case, the question about whether the Holocaust happened or not I think is thoroughly well established in the sense that there was a systemtic effort to eliminate the entire Jewish population from Europe using inhumane methods and a racist ideology. I don't think debating whether it was whether gas chambers or starvation or however they died should take away from the broader claim that a "Holocaust" happened. How that happened and how many died and other details should be the subject of scholoary debate and inquiry.

                                                                      Everyone is entitled to their opinion but most importantly, everyone's opinions and views should be given the same respect and treatment no matter what anyone thinks.
                                                                      Comment
                                                                      Search
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      SBR Contests
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      Top-Rated US Sportsbooks
                                                                      Collapse
                                                                      Working...