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  • MartinBlank
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 07-20-08
    • 8382

    #1
    UIGEA news...Barney Frank combines his bill with McDermott's
    This happened last night.

    Not a fan of Barney----but I don't care who or what congressman takes the steps toward undoing the UIGEA.


    Representative Barney Frank has attached his name to Jim McDermott’s revised Internet Gambling Regulation and Tax Enforcement Act as a co-sponsor, it was revealed yesterday evening.

    Frank, a US lawmaker who has long been pushing for legislators to overturn the current Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, had previously put forward his own legislation, but nevertheless signed on to McDermott’s proposed set of laws.

    The major benefits of McDermott’s revised legislation will primarily be reaped by individual states and tribal governments, who will be eligible to receive six percent of any revenue generated by online gambling in their jurisdictions under the new law.

    Other co-sponsors of McDermott’s proposed bill included John Larson, Chair of the House Democratic Caucus and Earl Blumenauer – and the new legislation will now partner the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection and Enforcement Act that Frank himself offered up last year.

    Several industry groups have already put their support behind the new bill following its proposal yesterday, with Beneficial Holdings – a gaming management company – already announcing their support for the Safe and Secure Internet Gambling Initiative.
  • DrStale
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 12-07-08
    • 9692

    #2
    Let's get this done.

    Poker was a lot less of a grind than it is now when you had every fish with an internet connection looking to dump his bankroll.
    Originally posted by Dark Horse
    If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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    • MartinBlank
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 07-20-08
      • 8382

      #3
      Originally posted by DrStale
      Let's get this done.

      Poker was a lot less of a grind than it is now when you had every fish with an internet connection looking to dump his bankroll.

      Stale, I never thought of that angle. I don't play much online poker, but I suppose the UIGEA did drive away lots of prey for the good players.

      If this gets done---it will be interesting to see how many poker rooms open up in the states. Competition will be a very good thing here.
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      • Brock Landers
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 06-30-08
        • 45359

        #4
        Fuk poker, what about sports??
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        • OmgUrMom
          Restricted User
          • 02-07-10
          • 8481

          #5
          Online poker sucks now, you have to be fukking good to make money on it. All the pro's play like at least 4 tables and up to 20 tables. So you have a million pros for every fish cause fish don't play many tables.
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          • WileOut
            SBR MVP
            • 02-04-07
            • 3844

            #6
            Martin this legislation all but drives a knife through the heart of the online sports gambling industry. It does help online poker and casino though. Below is a quote from the tax portion of it. The illegal operators are considered the sports gambling operators. You will owe 50% on every deposit you make to every sports book. You can choose not to pay it, but Obama just hired 16,000 extra IRS agents.

            "Does this bill impose any taxes on individuals?
            Individuals would be required to pay annual income taxes on their net winnings, just like players who collect winnings in land-based casinos do today. Individuals who place bets with licensed Internet gambling operators would not have to pay any new taxes on funds deposited. However, individuals that deposit funds into accounts with unlicensed (“illegal”) operators will be liable to pay a fee of 50 percent of their deposit. The fee is intentionally considerable to deter individuals from gambling with unlicensed operators."



            I hope that this legislation does not pass, it is a threat to the industry. All it would take is one public case of the IRS vs an online sports gambler (and if this legislation passes, there will be a case like this very quickly) to put an end to the industry.
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            • MartinBlank
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 07-20-08
              • 8382

              #7
              Originally posted by WileOut
              Martin this legislation all but drives a knife through the heart of the online sports gambling industry. It does help online poker and casino though. Below is a quote from the tax portion of it. The illegal operators are considered the sports gambling operators. You will owe 50% on every deposit you make to every sports book. You can choose not to pay it, but Obama just hired 16,000 extra IRS agents.

              "Does this bill impose any taxes on individuals?
              Individuals would be required to pay annual income taxes on their net winnings, just like players who collect winnings in land-based casinos do today. Individuals who place bets with licensed Internet gambling operators would not have to pay any new taxes on funds deposited. However, individuals that deposit funds into accounts with unlicensed (“illegal”) operators will be liable to pay a fee of 50 percent of their deposit. The fee is intentionally considerable to deter individuals from gambling with unlicensed operators."



              I hope that this legislation does not pass, it is a threat to the industry. All it would take is one public case of the IRS vs an online sports gambler (and if this legislation passes, there will be a case like this very quickly) to put an end to the industry.
              Wile....

              Good points, but.

              I don't know.

              Let's look at your second paragraph now. The fee is imposed when you play at unlicensed sites. Now. If you are one of the big boys---say Bodog, Pinnacle----wouldn't they be salivating at having legal access to the US market?

              As far as the individual IRS agents---those agents hired at not going to be used on Joe Blow who won 1200 bucks on an online casino---they are being trained to focus on the implementation of the health care regs.

              One thing you have to agree on Democrats. They love any chance to tax anything. If the IRS prosecuted a single sports player-----how would that affect the industry as a whole? Wouldn't it just force players into keeping track of their winnings?

              I view the UIGEA as much more prohibitive for online gaming than this legislation McDermott is pushing through.
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              • poker_dummy101
                Restricted User
                • 11-03-08
                • 6395

                #8
                Having government control online gambling is almost as bad as the UIGEA being written in the first place.
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                • Jonah
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-21-09
                  • 4042

                  #9
                  What exactly are the roles of Tribal Governments?
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                  • hoopster42
                    Restricted User
                    • 02-12-08
                    • 6099

                    #10
                    UIGEA will NOT be repealed or modified to allow online gambling. sorry. govt doesnt work that way. just keep doing what you're doing to get your action down. don't bookmake, only bet, and when you win, pay your taxes on it like a good citizen and you should be fine. key word: should
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                    • WileOut
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-04-07
                      • 3844

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MartinBlank
                      Wile....

                      Good points, but.

                      I don't know.

                      Let's look at your second paragraph now. The fee is imposed when you play at unlicensed sites. Now. If you are one of the big boys---say Bodog, Pinnacle----wouldn't they be salivating at having legal access to the US market?

                      As far as the individual IRS agents---those agents hired at not going to be used on Joe Blow who won 1200 bucks on an online casino---they are being trained to focus on the implementation of the health care regs.

                      One thing you have to agree on Democrats. They love any chance to tax anything. If the IRS prosecuted a single sports player-----how would that affect the industry as a whole? Wouldn't it just force players into keeping track of their winnings?

                      I view the UIGEA as much more prohibitive for online gaming than this legislation McDermott is pushing through.
                      The bill is only for poker and casino. Online sports books are not going to be allowed to get licenses. Sure, all the online books would love to get a license but they won't be able to because of US law (wire act, PASPA).

                      The UIGEA does nothing to stop online sports gambling, but this bill here kills it if it ever passes. It didn't pass last year, lets hope it wont this year.

                      I was saying if the bill passes, and they prosecute 1 online sports bettor for not paying the 50% deposit tax (throw the book at him), that will end online sports gambling IMHO. Because people will then be scared to death to try to get away with gambling online without paying the 50% deposit tax. And nobody can win long term paying a 50% deposit tax, nor will many try.

                      The last paragraph is my opinion of what will happen if the bill passes. What I know for sure is that if the bill passes, and you want to keep playing at online sports books, you will have to also pay a 50% tax on every deposit. Which will make it impossible to win long term. Billy Walters couldn't win like that.
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                      • MonkeyF0cker
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 06-12-07
                        • 12144

                        #12
                        Originally posted by WileOut
                        Because people will then be scared to death to try to get away with gambling online without paying the 50% deposit tax. And nobody can win long term paying a 50% deposit tax, nor will many try.
                        Doubtful and untrue. I'm not sure how they plan to implement tracking those deposits but there will likely be a way around it. Either book to book transfers or some sort of intermediary like Neteller will surface again. Not only that, but books would likely offer bonuses to offset the tax.

                        It's also quite possible to make a 50%+ return on your investment in sports, especially if the markets resemble anything like pre-UIGEA.
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                        • bookie
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-10-05
                          • 2112

                          #13
                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

                          It's also quite possible to make a 50%+ return on your investment in sports, especially if the markets resemble anything like pre-UIGEA.
                          There's nothing that suggests the markets will resemble anything like pre-UIGEA days though, right?
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                          • saintjames
                            Restricted User
                            • 09-19-09
                            • 747

                            #14
                            hopefully this can bring back neteller 2 the usa with free deposits & withdraws from all the good books again
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                            • trumpdown
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 01-21-09
                              • 755

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WileOut
                              I was saying if the bill passes, and they prosecute 1 online sports bettor for not paying the 50% deposit tax (throw the book at him), that will end online sports gambling IMHO. Because people will then be scared to death to try to get away with gambling online without paying the 50% deposit tax. And nobody can win long term paying a 50% deposit tax, nor will many try.

                              The last paragraph is my opinion of what will happen if the bill passes. What I know for sure is that if the bill passes, and you want to keep playing at online sports books, you will have to also pay a 50% tax on every deposit. Which will make it impossible to win long term.
                              I don't think this will matter. What happens to players who are already well funded? How will they have to pay 50% tax when they aren't making any new deposits? A winning player would welcome a 50% deposit tax. You never have to pay any taxes on your winnings! As stated there also would be ways around this with book transfer, and for the losing players books would offer bonuses to offset. Sounds like a WIN WIN to me mate
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