Is this method of discrimination, using double-pointspreads by BOVADA, ethical?

**triplecrown333** · 09-08-16, 11:19 AM

i doubt they do that now, but back in the 90s, live bookies do that all the time.

**Easy-Rider 66** · 09-08-16, 11:21 AM

It's a Business. Abe Stay away from Boavda and play at a Shop like Heritage/5D/DSI. Much better shops out there than Bovada imo with their late lines, limited ML's, and circled games.

**CWD** · 09-08-16, 11:25 AM

how did that hawaii michigan conspiracy theory work out for you chief ?

abe you are delusional majority of time

**ABEHONEST** · 09-08-16, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by CWD

how did that hawaii michigan conspiracy theory work out for you chief ?

abe you are delusional majority of time

I know exactly what you mean. Still, I am totally confused about one thing? How did you manage to sneak into my brain and discover this information? Wow, now that is some talent.

**daneblazer** · 09-08-16, 11:47 AM

They are what they are. Just have to play them for what they are worth. Don't expect any special bells or whistles. Now that poker is gone, there's little reason to deposit there

**SharpAngles** · 09-08-16, 11:53 AM

^^Dane knows the score. Only played there for ease since I could move money from poker to sports seamlessly. If I go broke there I'm never depositing that's for sure.

As for OP, they have done this for as long as I played with them. Check the lines before logging in then sign in and see what they think of you. Every 6.5 dog is a +6 once I log in

**ABEHONEST** · 09-08-16, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

It's a Business. Abe Stay away from Boavda and play at a Shop like Heritage/5D/DSI. Much better shops out there than Bovada imo with their late lines, limited ML's, and circled games.

Expert advice here.

**CWD** · 09-08-16, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

I know exactly what you mean. Still, I am totally confused about one thing? How did you manage to sneak into my brain and discover this information? Wow, now that is some talent.

well played abe

**daneblazer** · 09-08-16, 12:01 PM

Years ago I made a thread asking people what they had as a line on a particular game. I don't remember what it was...maybe one of the conference championships. The line was -6. Most had -6 or -6.5...but the juice was all over the map. Some had -6 EV some had -6 (-150). Pretty hilarious

**futbolmundial** · 09-08-16, 12:33 PM

Bodog/Bovada has been dealing dual lines for years now... nothing new to see here..

**The Kraken** · 09-08-16, 12:37 PM

Sure it's ethical, and it's no big deal.

No one is forcing you to hit submit

If it's +ev, you pull the trigger. If not, you move on.

**jjgold** · 09-08-16, 12:38 PM

Some books deal dual lines

**RudyRuetigger** · 09-08-16, 12:55 PM

comical thread

**ABEHONEST** · 09-08-16, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Sure it's ethical, and it's no big deal.

No one is forcing you to hit submit

If it's +ev, you pull the trigger. If not, you move on.

I disagree. They have a feel for your plays, so, they give you the line you're most likely to play with higher juice or point-spreads. Yet--the kicker--Joe-Blow can get the line you MAY want, not you. Duh, to this ridiculous cheap-shot Book.

Truly not an A-Book.

**The Kraken** · 09-08-16, 01:12 PM

Of course they know how you play, they have software that tracks your plays and analyzes you, thats just good business. If you were on that side of the counter, you would do the same, or you would go bankrupt.

But beyond that, the point is, you dont have to play there. They're not forcing you to accept their offer, nor are they changing numbers after you hit submit.

If you dont like it, move on.

Delays, dealing multiple lines, limits, getting the boot, its all part of it

Stealing tens of thousands of dollars from a player, thats unethical. Come talk to me when that happens

**KVB** · 09-08-16, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by triplecrown333

i doubt they do that now, but back in the 90s, live bookies do that all the time.

This was such a blatant and obvious tactic, using the software to decide the lines, that not only did we figure it out, but we used to burn accounts by betting one way, training the software, then hitting limits the other way...only to get kicked from the books.

Sometimes these groups of books could be "trained" within a few plays, other times it took weeks to train them. One thing was very clear, the software was on top of it.

Books shading lines for individual customers is a practice that goes back much, much further than the internet and software. I used to give local books plays and tell them where types of bettors would be looking to buy. They would then shade the lines.

These guys were no idiots either. You could listen to the customer on the phone and then make your decision.

For example, when a customer says hey "Mr. Bookie, what's the line on the Eagles?" If the bookie had Eagles -3, he would surmise that the customer was looking for the Eagles and offer him -3.5 right there on the spot.

Even with no internet, it payed to shop around in Vegas and the locals. I taught both sides...teaching the player how to talk to his bookie without revealing too much, as well as teaching the bookie how to listen to the client.

Good times.

**Bill Dozer** · 09-08-16, 01:17 PM

Its not as if sportsbooks use artificial intelligence or a Google algorithm. Most small limit players bet on one side so the rec books shade their lines that way. If you use SBRodds a book will make sure you get the lines more reflective of market rate. Some would argue that anyone in the first group is going to lose their money anyways so let em keep it longer but Sportsbooks will book how they want. If you are on either lineset there are pricing perks especially with bonuses, its free money. If you dont have a clue how lines work you are in it for the entertainment and hopefully expect to lose... almost like fanduel. =P

Originally posted by KVB

Books shading lines for individual customers is a practice that goes back much, much further than the internet and software. I used to give local books plays and tell them where types of bettors would be looking to buy. They would then shade the lines.

These guys were no idiots either. You could listen to the customer on the phone and then make your decision.

For sure. Any home NFL team always had half point tacked on. Bet one team twice in a row and the third time you were getting the extra half against you. Oh but if you said, ya know what give me the other guys.... Then it was "oh oh wait, you wont believe this. Line just moved!" ... Then take your home team again.

**thetrinity** · 09-08-16, 02:48 PM

still can get a better number on some games anyways

**jjgold** · 09-08-16, 04:07 PM

Some books still use dual lines

Computers profile each bettor and deal a line

Pinny has a few lines

**DeathAdder** · 09-08-16, 06:08 PM

Was recently given a welcome bonus from Bovada for the NFL season. Until I'm done wrong by them I'll always give the two thumbs up for Bovada. One of my top sportsbooks bar none!

**RudyRuetigger** · 09-08-16, 06:13 PM

Guys, you want to win there?

Bet the off numbers compared to pinny

Collect, then get banned

Insane to leave without being limited

**Easy-Rider 66** · 09-08-16, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by DeathAdder

Was recently given a welcome bonus from Bovada for the NFL season. Until I'm done wrong by them I'll always give the two thumbs up for Bovada. One of my top sportsbooks bar none!

Do you use any other Shops? I used to use Bodog/Bovada exclusively until SBR educated me about superior books. GL with Bovada, but I would never deposit another dime there again.

**RudyRuetigger** · 09-08-16, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Easy-Rider 66

Do you use any other Shops? I used to use Bodog/Bovada exclusively until SBR educated me about superior books. GL with Bovada, but I would never deposit another dime there again.

you are way off base here pal

**Easy-Rider 66** · 09-08-16, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by RudyRuetigger

you are way off base here pal

I guess you say that because they are a good book for dogs? One good thing about them is I did get paid the couple of times I requested.

**gauchojake** · 09-08-16, 06:28 PM

Shop lines and find the best one. Sometimes it's Bovada, sometimes not. I will agree that it's annoying to find a line you like only to log in and have it change, but thems the breaks. Seems like we have this conversation about 4x a year.

**ABEHONEST** · 09-08-16, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by The Kraken

Of course they know how you play, they have software that tracks your plays and analyzes you, thats just good business. If you were on that side of the counter, you would do the same, or you would go bankrupt.

But beyond that, the point is, you dont have to play there. They're not forcing you to accept their offer, nor are they changing numbers after you hit submit.

If you dont like it, move on.

Delays, dealing multiple lines, limits, getting the boot, its all part of it

Stealing tens of thousands of dollars from a player, thats unethical. Come talk to me when that happens

Good business...for who? Certainly not the players, especially the naive one's. You sound like a Bookie yourself? No sympathy for the forever losing sports-gambler. Not a player's response here, that's for sure.
You also say, move on? Now what if you have lot of pendings ongoing or deposits up that are not eligible for a withdrawal?
Think more like a player ,and also, more out of the box-thinking. Just a suggestion.

**Bill Dozer** · 09-09-16, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by thetrinity

still can get a better number on some games anyways

Originally posted by gauchojake

Shop lines and find the best one. Sometimes it's Bovada, sometimes not. I will agree that it's annoying to find a line you like only to log in and have it change, but thems the breaks. Seems like we have this conversation about 4x a year.

Right and if you are getting a new player bonus or getting a reup bonus you are betting at +110 or equivalent of getting a free half point.

The bottom line is anyone betting with only one book is getting beat or is betting extremely rarely. Its like using a credit card that gets cashback on groceries but also using it for gas instead of a second credit card that has cashback for gas. You are leaving money on the table every time you buy.