How does Miss St get left out?

[HedgeHog]

A lot of bubble teams got hurt these past few days with all the upsets. But how do you take Florida and Minnesota and leave Miss St out? MS beats Fla in the SEC tourney in what should have been an elimination game. Also, Miss St and Minny each had a shot to wrap up the automatic bid today and look at how both performed. Minny loses by nearly 30 and MS falls by 1 in OT to a top three team.

Miss State should be in and either Fla or Minny is out, IMO. Am I wrong here?

[whatsgood5]

I was surprised that Minny got in and they didn't, very weird.

[MartinBlank]

Well, Mississippi State did lose to Rider at home.

They also lost to Western Kentucky.

Those are two horrible losses for a power conference school.

[Grandmaster B]

they shouldnt have fouled and just played straight up D

[HedgeHog]

they shouldnt have fouled and just played straight up D

Agree 100%. Yet Minny, a team that was an afterthought a week ago, can lose by 30 today and get the nod over Miss St. I just don't get it.

[TheLock]

Miss St got hosed today

[nosniboR11]

think this is a huge mistake, how does minn get in after todays game compared to miss st, im sure the numbers went to minny but miss state was robbed

[Grandmaster B]

Agree 100%. Yet Minny, a team that was an afterthought a week ago, can lose by 30 today and get the nod over Miss St. I just don't get it.

ya thats bullshit...Miss St. was right there with Kentucky all the way to the wire

[pavyracer]

I read somewhere that the last 12 games of the teams were not included in the selection. This is why Miss St and Minnesota were playing for nothing today unless they won their games.

[TheLock]

I read somewhere that the last 12 games of the teams were not included in the selection. This is why Miss St and Minnesota were playing for nothing today unless they won their games.

Link or I throw the bullsh*t flag pavy

[mtneer1212]

I read somewhere that the last 12 games of the teams were not included in the selection. This is why Miss St and Minnesota were playing for nothing today unless they won their games.

I think you misunderstood Pavy -- the committee used to look at how you finished the year as one of the criteria, the record of the last 12 games was no longer included. In other words, the games in November and December were weighed as heavily as the last several games. How you finished the year was not a factor. "the whole body of work"

[pavyracer]

Link or I throw the bullsh*t flag pavy

Last week, Guerrero said the committee wouldn't include teams' performances in their last 12 games — a longtime staple of its expansive criteria that was deemed as carrying too much weight. How closely the committee toed that line, however, was still in question.

http://www.wtnh.com/dpps/sports/ncaa_tourney/jayhawks-earn-top-seed-in-ncaa-tourney_3273773

[TheLock]

wow 12 games

I'm honestly shocked

[GiveMeaBJ]

Minnesota and Mississippi State were playing for virtually nothing today. That is an interesting one Pavy. I guess automatic bids and conference championships don't mean much anymore.

[eidolon]

miss st. should be a 9 or 10 seed. What a joke.

[MartinBlank]

Minnesota and Mississippi State is like selecting from a shit sandwich and a shit taco.

Both have horrible losses. Minnesota to Portland and Mississippi State to Rider and Western Kentucky.

You can't put Mississippi State in just because they played Kentucky tight.

[pavyracer]

Minnesota and Mississippi State were playing for virtually nothing today. That is an interesting one Pavy. I guess automatic bids and conference championships don't mean much anymore.

Learn some reading comprehension in HS tomorrow. Read the last 5 words of my statement Nicky.

[tltaylor89]

They did not take control down the stretch and in the end they wanted a sentimental bid into the tourney on a close loss to Kentucky.That was a must win for them/

[GiveMeaBJ]

Learn some reading comprehension in HS tomorrow. Read the last 5 words of my statement Nicky.

Ok but here is the thing, my name is not Nick #1. #2 what else would possible effect them today? You think a loss puts them over the edge? Read the first paragraph of your link again.

[Grandmaster B]

Learn some reading comprehension in HS tomorrow. Read the last 5 words of my statement Nicky.

[THEGREAT30]

The tourny has become a complete joke, there is maybe 3 games that I am interested in between Thurs and Sunday of this weekend, it did not used to be that way, good day

[AMBlai01]

It isn't about who they almost beat. It is about who they did and didn't beat. If they can get up for a game against UK they should be able to take care of business against teams like Rider or W. Kentucky. Their numbers just weren't there...at least Florida had a tough schedule.

[THEGREAT30]

It isn't about who they almost beat. It is about who they did and didn't beat. If they can get up for a game against UK they should be able to take care of business against teams like Rider or W. Kentucky. Their numbers just weren't there...at least Florida had a tough schedule.

Dude non of these theories remain consistent from year to year or team to team, so your theory really makes no sense when u look at V Tech and see that they don't have any bad losses or when you look at Florida and see that they lost to South Alabama and Georgia. They take who they want to take. Ms State is a much better team than Florida, good day

[Mac4Lyfe]

Florida's body of work was better than MSU. Florida beat Michigan State, NC State, Florida State OOC and beat EVERY team in the SEC West including MSU. MSU beat one ranked team in Vanderbilt in the SEC tourney. What significant win did they have during the season??? Cricket's??? Nobody... Next time, go out and schedule somebody, instead of the cream puffs. UF missed the tourney the last 2 years doing the same thing MSU did. Weak schedule. Join the club MSU fans. Plus MSU never does shit in the tourney anyway. Every year they play a shit schedule but make a big run in the SEC tourney only to shit on themselves in the tourney.

MSU lost to five RPI sub-100 opponents, including road defeats at Arkansas and Auburn.

Florida had the better RPI and SOS...

here are a few paragraphs from an espn bubble team article. . .

Mississippi State did essentially nothing for four months. The Bulldogs' only victory over an RPI top-50 opponent heading into the SEC tournament was a 69-55 win over Old Dominion in the South Padre Island Invitational on Nov. 28. MSU upset Vanderbilt 62-52 in the SEC semis to reach the championship game. The Bulldogs even took No. 1 seed Kentucky into overtime in an 75-74 loss in Nashville on Sunday, after losing to the Wildcats 81-75 in overtime at home on Feb. 16.

But was the NCAA selection committee supposed to ignore Mississippi State's first 31 games of the season? Florida did more than MSU, beating Michigan State, Florida State and Tennessee during the regular season. The Bulldogs beat the Gators 75-69 in the SEC tourney quarterfinals; Florida beat MSU 69-62 at home on Feb. 2. The Gators also play in the SEC East, which was much more difficult than playing in the SEC West this season. In the end, MSU probably couldn't overcome this eyesore: it lost to five RPI sub-100 opponents, including road defeats at Arkansas and Auburn.

"Mississippi State was definitely in the conversation," Guerrero said. "You know, we were all very excited to see them make that run there at the end. But it's the entire body of work in a general sense. We've said that all along. Their strength of schedule and their nonconference strength of schedule weren't that strong. Mississippi State was a quality team. Sometimes you have a tendency to want to do some impulse buying based on a great run in a tournament as Mississippi State just had. But in the end, that in and of itself wasn't enough to get them into the field."

[HedgeHog]

Perhaps the most over used phrase is the so-called "eye test" to decide at large teams. I guess the NCAA Selection Committee must have shut their peepers on the final day. Minnesota not only failed the eye test but the smell test as well in their 90-61 loss to Ohio State.

[Willie Bee]

Perhaps the most over used phrase is the so-called "eye test" to decide at large teams. I guess the NCAA Selection Committee must have shut their peepers on the final day. Minnesota not only failed the eye test but the smell test as well in their 90-61 loss to Ohio State.

Choosing the at-large teams is always going to create controversy with no two people seeing things exactly the same. Bottom line is the Bulldogs would be what, a 12th seed? I would have taken them over Florida, but at the same time Miss State was nothing but the best of a very, very weak SEC West Division. The 'eye test' should be renamed the 'I test,' as in, "If I don't want to get overlooked, then I had better beat Western Kentucky and Rider the one time I meet them while beating Alabama and Auburn both times I play them."

[THEGREAT30]

Florida well get blown out by BYU, and Florida's overall body was not better than MSU, Florida had some aspects better than Miss State. Here is the 1 aspect that I can not overlook that the committee never mentions, Ms State is 3-2 on neutral courts with wins over Florida, Vandy, and Old Dominion which are all 3 tourny teams. On the other hand, Florida is 3-1 in neutral court games with victories over Auburn,Rutgers, and Michigan State, I give that to Ms State because they beat 3 NCAA tourny teams on neutral floors while Florida beat 1. Next, look at the quality wins for both teams Florida's wins that everyone want to point to are Florida St, Michigan State, and Tenn, they beat Florida St and Tenn both at home, while Miss States quality wins all came on neutral floors. Now tell me what factors go for Florida? Nothing the committee says makes since or is consistent to me, good day

[THEGREAT30]

Choosing the at-large teams is always going to create controversy with no two people seeing things exactly the same. Bottom line is the Bulldogs would be what, a 12th seed? I would have taken them over Florida, but at the same time Miss State was nothing but the best of a very, very weak SEC West Division. The 'eye test' should be renamed the 'I test,' as in, "If I don't want to get overlooked, then I had better beat Western Kentucky and Rider the one time I meet them while beating Alabama and Auburn both times I play them."

I disagree totally, you have to stay consistent at some point when you are running a business or organization and I argue that Miss State not only passes the eye test over Florida but they also have just as many statistical numbers going for them, it just depends on what numbers you look at. Anyone that continues to bash these teams or dissect them as they are pieces of meat, meanwhile; Vermont and Jujububu gets in is a joke. These are all good teams, the problem with this tourny is that it does not take the 64 best, just like BCS does not get best teams. I would argue that BCS gets a higher percentage of really good teams than the NCAA tourny. Out of 64 there are atleast 10 teams from those shitty conferences that should be at home while Miss State, Illinois, Vtech should all be in this tourny, good day

[AMBlai01]

Dude non of these theories remain consistent from year to year or team to team, so your theory really makes no sense when u look at V Tech and see that they don't have any bad losses or when you look at Florida and see that they lost to South Alabama and Georgia. They take who they want to take. Ms State is a much better team than Florida, good day

If they are a much better team than Florida, then they need to beat teams like W. Kentucky and Rider. They also need to beat Auburn because their schedule didn't allow them to make those mistakes. They didn't schedule enough non conference good quality teams to play like crap against some of these crappy teams.

Choosing the at-large teams is always going to create controversy with no two people seeing things exactly the same. Bottom line is the Bulldogs would be what, a 12th seed? I would have taken them over Florida, but at the same time Miss State was nothing but the best of a very, very weak SEC West Division. The 'eye test' should be renamed the 'I test,' as in, "If I don't want to get overlooked, then I had better beat Western Kentucky and Rider the one time I meet them while beating Alabama and Auburn both times I play them."

Willie hit it on the head. I keep hearing this over and over and it looks to be true....This year's at large pool is SO weak that these teams have no right to complain. If you can't make it in the tourney this year, you don't deserve it at all. These teams have no one to blame for themselves by their schedule, by not showing up against crap teams, by many reasons.

[Skidcom]

Has to be a money angle

[HedgeHog]

Miss St and Fla both went 9-7 in the SEC, so when MS beat the Gators in the conference tourney (75-69), I thought it would be a deciding factor between these two.

Miss St and Minny each had a shot to get an automatic bid on the final day. Both lost and apparently only one spot remained. Watching the two play, it was obvious that MS was more deserving.

To me, MS gets in and your left to choose between Florida, Minn, ILL and Vir Tech for the final spot.

[MBENZ]

Get rid of the automatic bids for these little shit conferences.This is supposed to be the best teams playing.I'm not a Miss.St. fan,but they got fukked.How many auto teams would they have pounded?

[AMBlai01]

Miss St and Fla both went 9-7 in the SEC, so when MS beat the Gators in the conference tourney (75-69), I thought it would be a deciding factor between these two.

Miss St and Minny each had a shot to get an automatic bid on the final day. Both lost and apparently only one spot remained. Watching the two play, it was obvious that MS was more deserving.

To me, MS gets in and your left to choose between Florida, Minn, ILL and Vir Tech for the final spot.

Obviously it didn't matter how they played the final day unless they won....of course if you go by that Miss St. would get it. Committee already had their mind made up...Miss St.'s only shot was to win that game. They blew it...no one to blame but themselves. They had enough chances to get in the tourney.

[THEGREAT30]

If they are a much better team than Florida, then they need to beat teams like W. Kentucky and Rider. They also need to beat Auburn because their schedule didn't allow them to make those mistakes. They didn't schedule enough non conference good quality teams to play like crap against some of these crappy teams.



Willie hit it on the head. I keep hearing this over and over and it looks to be true....This year's at large pool is SO weak that these teams have no right to complain. If you can't make it in the tourney this year, you don't deserve it at all. These teams have no one to blame for themselves by their schedule, by not showing up against crap teams, by many reasons.

North Carolina lost the 1st game of there season a couple of years ago when they won the championship with Marvin Williams, May and those guys. They were the #1 team in nation and lost to Montana or some joke of a team, dude its a joke that you continue to throw up Rider a 1st game of the season type situation. Ms State has better wins on neutral floors and road games than Florida. Florida only had 1 win quality win on neutral floor or road while Ms State has 3 including Florida, nothing remains consistent with this stuff, Florida got bid because they travel better, end of discussion, good day

[AMBlai01]

North Carolina lost the 1st game of there season a couple of years ago when they won the championship with Marvin Williams, May and those guys. They were the #1 team in nation and lost to Montana or some joke of a team, dude its a joke that you continue to throw up Rider a 1st game of the season type situation. Ms State has better wins on neutral floors and road games than Florida. Florida only had 1 win quality win on neutral floor or road while Ms State has 3 including Florida, nothing remains consistent with this stuff, Florida got bid because they travel better, end of discussion, good day

If it was merely a first game of the season type of deals they wouldn't also lose to W. Kentucky or Auburn. UNC didn't lose their first game of the season and then lose to South West tennessee St. or some other shit school.