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    konck
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    The new online scam Fantasy Football

    I expect this thread to be moved or removed but guys really these fantasy sights are 100% scams.
    If there not putting in past posted line ups they are doing pro team play.
    Heres the take on it from one of he best gamblers in the world.
    Also after this lt scam not much being said...there is no legit gaming commission for these sites
    Online poker reborn

    Haralabos Voulgaris, also known as Bob Voulgaris or H-Bob on Bill Simmons' podcasts, is a professional sports gambler, and has been called "the world's top NBA gambler."
    Voulgaris has made a name for himself identifying patterns, locating edges, and developing models and algorithms to beat the sportsbooks.
    According to ESPN, he had accumulated "a fortune" before turning 30, and routinely bet $1 million on NBA games in a single day.
    Voulgaris was a guest on ESPN Radio's "The Dan Le Batard Show" on Wednesday to talk about the scandal that has hit the daily-fantasy-sports industry.
    In this recent controversy, The New York Times reported that one employee for DraftKings was shown to have access to valuable data the same week he won $350,000 at rival site FanDuel, raising questions about who had access to what data.
    According to Voulgaris, this is not really a big advantage as the data can be found by regular players if they do the right research, at least for NFL games.
    "The advantage that he had is not even really that big of an advantage in the NFL," Voulgaris told the show. "The information he was using is basically publicly available on a Thursday. So basically, if you enter a bunch of contests on a Thursday, you can see the ownership of all of the players that you selected and that's representative of that Thursday for the following Sunday's NFL."
    In other words, a player can see the ownership data on Thursday and the patterns will likely still be the same on Sunday. Voulgaris does explain that this type of data would have a bigger advantage in MLB daily-fantasy-sports games since the games are played and completed in a single day instead of over a five-day window.
    But this doesn't mean the average player isn't getting screwed. In fact, Voulgaris says the casual player sitting at home and watching NFL games for fun is getting "fleeced."
    "The real issue is, that I think people don't realize, is the fact that the person who is tuning in and seeing these commercials, and signing up to play in these multi-tournaments, where the winner gets a million dollars, I think if they knew that they were going to enter maybe three, or four, or five entries, but a pro is going to enter 1,000 entries, they wouldn't think it was that exciting to enter these contests. I think that's the part where there is some impropriety.
    If the actual casual viewer, watching these commercials and signing up, knew they weren't competing against other like-minded people like themselves, that they're competing against professionals who have algorithms and thousands and thousands of entries in all these tournaments, they would realize that their chances of winning are really not that good and it's really not as exciting as they think it is ... the pros are winning all the money and they are also entering all the contests.
    It's a giant partnership between the pros and the sites, and the unsuspecting customers who are doing this for entertainment are literally getting fleeced."
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    Scary stat Fan Duel will pay out over 1 billion dollars this yr

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    As usual Bob V. sharpest person in the room

    Anyone else get an email from the Draftkings founders today? Must be some serious damage control going on over there, I haven't even logged in since 2013.

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    Scamduel and CrapKings can kiss me arse mateys.... I'm out, you give them money not me......

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    My brother won $120k.... Not all a scam.

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    I Did something like that for baseball. Sign up for an all day tourny or league where there was one or two early games. You could get an idea of % for the night that way

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    I laugh at losers that play

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    I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    My brother won $120k.... Not all a scam.
    Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
    This thread is to wake you up to that
    I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
    Should be outlawed
    Last edited by konck; 10-09-15 at 11:51 AM.

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    You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChop View Post
    I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"
    MLB got their nose dirty because they own a small part of this scamming toilet

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
    Well we know that actually does happen to but on a small scale

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    Quote Originally Posted by konck View Post
    Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
    This thread is to wake you up to that
    I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
    Should be outlawed
    How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

    80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.

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    I'm glad I was born with a 4 leaf clover.

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    That's why you don't play the big GPP tournaments. Join smaller leagues with single entry for best chance to win

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    they are the winners fan and king .. save your money .. its all a scam an con

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    The fact that fantasy sports is considered a skill game and online poker is not is a total joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by konck View Post
    Well when you pay out almost 1.5 billion in a year.....yes some real players will win just like some people win the lotto
    This thread is to wake you up to that
    I think bendingbenny told me 5% of the players get 80% of the money leaving 95% to battle for the remaining 20% or less
    Should be outlawed
    Sounds like how the world is, a small percentage of the people own the bulk of the money. Never did fantasy never will.

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    Nobody is saying anything about fantasy, obviously Fanduel and DK are paying them substantial money in advertising that they are willing to keep their mouths closed, no telling how much other money they are paying to keep others happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

    80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.
    I wonder how many of those winning those high amounts are employed by DK or FD somehow.
    Last edited by jtoler; 10-09-15 at 01:22 PM.

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    This is what it's come to


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    Quote Originally Posted by PorkChop View Post
    I love how Goodell refused to acknowledge this is "gambling"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM_Toretto View Post
    How is this surprising? Tournaments are very very top heavy, with $1mil going to first place, $350k to 2nd, and downward.

    80/20 rule can be applied to almost anything in life... In this case maybe it's 90/5 or whatever. Not surprising though.
    Its not surprising ....its shockingly true yes payouts are top heavy....but there's millions of leagues, with pay out going to that same 5% its kind of what the opening statement was about.
    So stop defending you have zero case

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    they allow the pros specific special interface software (there is strong rumors that some PROS also get a REBATE program like some horses racing ADWs have Joe public nothing after that joke of a sign up bonus)..to enter hundreds and thousands of entries at a time (ie not typing each team into the crappy WEB site interface they have). that alone at the last moment on breaking news or using the inside info they have and can crunch instantly and do something with it why this industry is a scam.

    AVOID them all....

    got that damage control EMAIL today and EMAILED back what I thought.

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    bottom line is I played anne they didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra77er View Post
    bottom line is I played anne they didn't
    if you think it can't be you, it can be you.

    Every week I can beat my friends, every week I can make money playing on fan duel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ra77er View Post
    bottom line is I played anne they didn't
    Lmao this line had me in tears when I first heard it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    You are better off betting the games..not the stats. A pro can't manipulate which team wins.
    Bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by konck View Post
    Its not surprising ....its shockingly true yes payouts are top heavy....but there's millions of leagues, with pay out going to that same 5% its kind of what the opening statement was about.
    So stop defending you have zero case
    I just don't get that people are concerned about this. In poker, I'm sure it's a similar 90% of money won by 5% of players. It's not crazy, actually makes sense. That doesn't mean 95% are losers. SBR doesn't understand math??

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    would stop this if they just did single entry contests.

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    I believe it's more like the top 10 players (or groups of players most likely) are winning 90% of the big money. I posted the exact details in another thread from a recent independent review. The big guys don't bother with the $.25-$5 entries, it's not worth their time. But they are heavily invested in the big money tournaments, entering up to a 1000 computer generated entries per game. Both sites have been given til 10/15 to respond to the N.Y. General Attorney as to how much each and every employee has won at the other site and that's when the shit will hit the fan. Myself, and a bunch of my friends- have already pulled all our money out and I'm guessing a large and growing number of players are following suit. No reason to play a game that's so rigged against it's players.......

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    And they do offer a few single entry games each week, which were the only ones we normally played and we held are own too but if they can't control their own employees, what else are they getting away with what we don't know about???? This will shortly become heavily regulated by the states and like the lottery, will suck all the fun out of what's left of it.

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    People on this forum will angle shoot a free point giveaway/contests/sbr poker you name it and now they are enraged over a guy cashing in on spamduel....cannot make this sh1t up indeed.

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    It's not like the average player has been complaining about these things for YEARS. Site wouldn't listen

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