Jay- Nice work taking down the wise guy clause

pags11 · 12-14-05, 05:03 AM

raiders, I agree...books that have this clause always raise an eyebrow with me...good move Jay...

bigboydan · 12-14-05, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Quarm and Taco- Please stay out of this thread as I would like serious discussion on this instead of the useless dribble that the two of you post.

Quarm and Taco, if your gonna debate raiders views. all i ask is you keep it on the subject matter at hand.

TOW · 12-14-05, 06:23 AM

Good move. Glad you took our discussion of a few days ago at heart.

I keep liking what I see there. There may be very few glitches here and there, but that comes with all newer organizations.

Kudos to Jay for listening, adressing and changing things for the better.

natrass · 12-14-05, 06:40 AM

yep, its good of raiders to praise betonstars here. They do seem to be moving up.

raiders72001 · 12-14-05, 07:38 AM

I'd still like to know about the fraudulant activity clause. Jay- I hope that you can address this.

oxf · 12-14-05, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

I'd still like to know about the fraudulant activity clause. Jay- I hope that you can address this.

I am also interesting what is betonstars' "fraudulant activity" definition?
If they try hard, "wise guy" may still be part of "fraudulant activity"

jay88 · 12-14-05, 12:18 PM

Wise action is not fraudulent. You'll get your account closed and you will receive your entire balance if you met the rollover, if not you'll get your deposit + winnings - bonus amount, ask around...
Fraudulent for example might be:
- You make a deposit and than you **********.
- Open different accounts under different names.
- etc...

quarm_ · 12-14-05, 03:14 PM

Jay why cant u give a straight answer?
Did you have a rule that said wise guys balances can be taken?
And did you change it after raiders made it public here, or did he make that all up?

jay88 · 12-14-05, 03:28 PM

The rule was there for not more than 10 hours...

quarm_ · 12-14-05, 03:36 PM

And why was it there? To stiff someone who beat you?
What other purpose can having such a rogue rule for "only 10 hours" have?

Welcome to shit book status Jay...
why should anyone risk playing at your book? Cause you PAY?
Lol about 20 TOP books out there that always pay, and did it longer than BoS...oh yeah and many have bonuses too, dont feel too special.

Unbelievable...now go on with your forum ass kissing.

raiders72001 · 12-14-05, 07:06 PM

Open different accounts under different names.

I agree that using multiple accounts is fraudulant but does that give you the right to confiscate all funds. There's a poster here that has used many accounts at the same book to receive bonuses and referral fees.

Proving that a person is using multiple accounts is difficult. IP addresses with AOL may make you accuse someone of using multiple accounts when in fact they are different people.

You should cancel bonuses and referrals but does that give you the right to steal their money? You may be making a mistake and even if you are not you are still stealing by confiscating all funds.

raiders72001 · 12-14-05, 07:11 PM

If they try hard, "wise guy" may still be part of "fraudulant activity

jay88 · 12-14-05, 07:15 PM

The rule is a little extreme I agree... It is just for extreme situations like we have had with the $50 free, people just kept on opening accounts after they lost in the first, in that case we had to confiscate the winnings.
In real money accounts we have never confiscated any money and as long as I'll be part of betonstars it wont happen.

raiders72001 · 12-14-05, 07:27 PM

I'll help you out with your rules.

1. For free accounts money will be confiscated if it's determined that a player is using more than one account.

2. For post up accounts all bonuses and referral fees will be confiscated if a player is using more than one account and his account will be closed.

3. In cases of other disputes not covered and for determining whether a player is using more than one account, SBR will arbitrate the dispute and all rulings will be final.

tacomax · 12-14-05, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by jay88

The rule is a little extreme I agree... It is just for extreme situations like we have had with the $50 free, people just kept on opening accounts after they lost in the first, in that case we had to confiscate the winnings.
In real money accounts we have never confiscated any money and as long as I'll be part of betonstars it wont happen.

If you want assistance on the wording on your rules, I'm sure that someone at SBR would be more than willing to assist you. A proven internet tout might not be the best person to assist you in this matter.

In any case, the way you do business is significantly more important than a written set of rules. A scam book might have the most perfect rules in the world but if they want to stiff you, they'll stiff you.

raiders72001 · 12-14-05, 10:18 PM

Taco- I got them to take down the wise guy rule. Why don't you stay out of this. Everyone has contributed greatly to this thread except for you. Why don't you stay out of the serious threads and go back to your weak attempts at humor.

natrass · 12-15-05, 04:45 AM

Sorry, I have to say, i never thought I would see the day when Quarm and Raiders joined forces. It must be Christmas.

On the rules thing, I think it is very important to have things stated explicitly. I think raiders is right in seperating the rules for bonus betting from multiple accounts and the situation for real money. That would be wise to explicitly sgregate.

As for Jay and BOS, they have done nothing all other books do. If you put almost any books rules under a microsope then you could find ambiguity. As taco said, its not like they HAVE stiffed someone ... I think they just wanted to be covered. They clearly do not want wise guys and have made this explicit many times so it is consistent.

Still cant believe Raiders and Quarm on the same team though. A beautiful moment in SBR history there.

BrentCrude · 12-15-05, 08:12 AM

I always laugh at sportsbooks for having this policy where if a customer is too good at winning or too good at gathering information to evaluate betting selections they are banned.Same goes for card counting.I can understand the casinos not wanting a guy to slow down a blackjack game to a snail's pace counting on his fingers but if this stuff all takes place in your mind how can it be considered cheating.I thought liberals were the only one's that were the thought police where they knew your motives and reasonings.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 01:49 PM

BOStars website down again

tacomax · 12-15-05, 01:55 PM

Thanks for the update, raiders. Better that you have your finger on the pulse rather than your hands on stiffed players funds.

Carib is in the middle of a 9 hour shutdown - hope you're preparing a thread about them as well. Hopefully we'll see that report when you've managed to prise your finger from your keyboard's F5 key while on the BOS site.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 01:58 PM

Taco- How many stupid posts are you going to make today?

Over 5 -140
Under 5 +120

All other sites give advance notice when they are going to be down. BOStars was down during a busy weekend and they are down again. Are you going to make a deposit at BOStars or are you just a shill for BOStars collecting a paycheck?

bigboydan · 12-15-05, 02:02 PM

keep it on the topic raiders. in regards to the cheap shots that is. because, i don't really want to divert this thread. unless i really have too.

tacomax · 12-15-05, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

All other sites give advance notice when they are going to be down.

Like I said, Carib has been down for hours and will be down for more hours. I got no advance notice that thet were going to be down. Yet again, it looks like you're talking BS - not all sites give advance notice of downtime.

Originally posted by raiders72001

BOStars was down during a busy weekend and they are down again. Are you going to make a deposit at BOStars or are you just a shill for BOStars collecting a paycheck?

I have never been paid to shill any book. Unfortunately you're not able to make that claim.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 02:34 PM

Carib is up and BOStars is down. You never let the facts get in the way of your statements. I hope BOStars pays you well to sell out.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 02:42 PM

Taco

Like I said, Carib has been down for hours and will be down for more hours.

Please keep the feeble minded posts to a minimum. Carib was not down for hours and is not down now.

tacomax · 12-15-05, 02:43 PM

Yes, Carib is now up after a number of hours of downtime. You can now take your finger off the refresh button on the Carib site. Well done. Have a banana.

I didn't get an email advising me of this. Since "all other sites give advance notice when they are going to be down" then why wasn't I informed by email? Or wasn't there any information on the site advising of the downtime?

tacomax · 12-15-05, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Please keep the feeble minded posts to a minimum. Carib was not down for hours and is not down now.

Ask Carib - it was down for hours. They left a message on the site during the downtime (no advance warning, though) that it would be unavailable from 5am - 2pm.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 02:47 PM

Let's bet $1000 that Carib was not down for 4 hours. I guess you didn't read my post above. Keep the feeble minded posts to a minimum. You have already passed your quota for the day.

Dan- I'm trying to keep on topic here but Taco keeps lying. Can you ban him from all serious threads? Maybe lock him up in the private room.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 03:00 PM

Anyone have a phone number for Betonstars? I'd like to call them up.

TOW · 12-15-05, 03:14 PM

Raiders,

I really enjoy reading you post when you're obsessed. Here's a couple of items you might have missed....

Betonstars is switching from one ISP to another. This transition is everything but easy.

I doubt you can reach them via phone since their phone system uses the VOIP network, meaning that if the inet is down, phones are down as well.

Why do they have these problems ? Its because of their location is San Jose, which is not necessarily near the ISP switch.

This said my suggestion to you is to relax, buy a ticket to San Jose and visit the books there like we do and SBR does.

This will allow you to talk about things you have direct knowledge of instead of making comments based on your moods or agendas.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 03:19 PM

This will allow you to talk about things you have direct knowledge of instead of making comments based on your moods or agendas.

Do you thing it's smart to change ISP on a weekend?

TOW · 12-15-05, 03:20 PM

First time I hear Thursday is a weekend

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 03:21 PM

This said my suggestion to you is to relax, buy a ticket to San Jose and visit the books there like we do and SBR does.

Can I get wined, dined, pick up a check while I'm down there and charge them a nice monthly fee to post nice things about them.

raiders72001 · 12-15-05, 03:22 PM

irst time I hear Thursday is a weekend

I guess you missed the down time Sat and Sun during peak gambling hours.