does the ncaa not have that rule? ball definitely hit the ground at one point.
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Is it a fumble if it's a lateral?Comment -
I think that only applies to a fumble that goes forward. This play involves a series of backward laterals. Not a fumble.Comment -
of course that's a fumble. seen several nfl games have similar plays blown dead because only the fumbler can recover. guess it's not the case in ncaa after a quick browse of the rulebook.Originally posted by d2betsComment -
that is called an illegal forward pass, not a fumble.Originally posted by d2betsComment -
A lateral (backwards) can be recovered by anyone can it not?Comment -
not in the nfl in the last two minutes of each half. trying to find out the college rule.Originally posted by BigDeem5Comment -
Are you sure about that? As long as it's a lateral thrown backwards, I don't think it matters if it hits the ground.Originally posted by KaabeeComment -
100% sure. From NFL rulebook:Originally posted by d2bets
If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.Comment -
Lateral isn't considered a fumble bro....fumble isn't expected laterals are. They can hit the groundOriginally posted by KaabeeComment -
"If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half...."
aint no 2 minute deal in college ball hossComment -
Key word there is a fumble. "Fumble" and "Backwards Pass" (aka lateral) are separately defined actions. They are not the same thing. Take a look at this doc that defines them.Originally posted by Kaabee
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You are 1000% wrong.Originally posted by GT21Megatron
FUMBLE
Article 3 Fumble.
A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which
results in a loss of player possession.Comment -
Originally posted by Kaabee
quit betting squirtComment -
So if a player is in the middle of lateraling the ball and he gets hit it's not a fumble? It's definitely a fumble, bro.Originally posted by GT21MegatronOriginally posted by Dark HorseComment -
LOL are you retarded?Originally posted by GT21MegatronComment -
Step back and think, bro. A backward pass IS a pass.Originally posted by Kaabee
And a "pass" includes a BACKWARD PASS (aka lateral) which is exactly what this was. Take a look at Section 7, Article 1. A backward pass is not the same as a fumble. If it was, it would not need to have a separate section defining it.
Notice in the definition of fumble it doesn't reference FORWARD pass, only says pass. That's because it;s intended to include both forward pass and backward pass. A backward pass is not a fumble. This is not rocket science.Comment -
A DROPPED backwards pass is a fumble. Jesus Fukkin Christ.Comment -
Call me rightOriginally posted by KaabeeComment -
Lateral = backwards pass....
if your to stupid to understand the rules I posted then maybe you should stop betting bro.Comment -
It's not rugby dipshitOriginally posted by Kaabee
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Stop burying yourself man. This is hilarious. Have you never watched football before? Unreal.Originally posted by GT21MegatronIt's not rugby dipshitComment -
NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:Originally posted by Kaabee
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
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That blows my mind because I swear to God I have seen the play blown dead after a dropped lateral (backwards pass). Will try to find a video.Comment -
I would love to know how then the refs can distinguish between a lateral and a fumble in which the player is hit as he is lateraling and the ball falls to the ground.Originally posted by d2betsNFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
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Never. That's a live ball.Originally posted by KaabeeComment -
Originally posted by d2betsNFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:
Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)
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Dude is a complete moron talking about me watching a football game...fu king retardComment -
Backwards pass = lateral
Its about the intent...FUMBLES ARE NOT INTENDED....Comment -
My thought is that the analysis would be similar to whether a QB is making a forward pass vs. a fumble when he is hit as throwing. Sometimes it is a tough call.Originally posted by DrStaleComment
