[Kaabee]

does the ncaa not have that rule? ball definitely hit the ground at one point.

[d2bets]

Is it a fumble if it's a lateral?

[d2bets]

I think that only applies to a fumble that goes forward. This play involves a series of backward laterals. Not a fumble.

[Kaabee]

Is it a fumble if it's a lateral?

of course that's a fumble. seen several nfl games have similar plays blown dead because only the fumbler can recover. guess it's not the case in ncaa after a quick browse of the rulebook.

[Kaabee]

I think that only applies to a fumble that goes forward. This play involves a series of backward laterals. Not a fumble.

that is called an illegal forward pass, not a fumble.

[BigDeem5]

A lateral (backwards) can be recovered by anyone can it not?

[Kaabee]

A lateral (backwards) can be recovered by anyone can it not?

not in the nfl in the last two minutes of each half. trying to find out the college rule.

[d2bets]

not in the nfl in the last two minutes of each half. trying to find out the college rule.

Are you sure about that? As long as it's a lateral thrown backwards, I don't think it matters if it hits the ground.

[Kaabee]

Are you sure about that? As long as it's a lateral thrown backwards, I don't think it matters if it hits the ground.

100% sure. From NFL rulebook:

If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.

[GT21Megatron]

100% sure. From NFL rulebook:

If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.

Lateral isn't considered a fumble bro....fumble isn't expected laterals are. They can hit the ground

[The Prick]

"If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half...."

aint no 2 minute deal in college ball hoss

[d2bets]

100% sure. From NFL rulebook:

If any player fumbles after the two-minute warning in a half, only the fumbling player is permitted to recover and/or advance the ball. If recovered by any other offensive player, the ball is dead at the spot of the fumble unless it is recovered behind the spot of the fumble. In that case, the ball is dead at the spot of recovery. Any defensive player may recover and/or advance any fumble at any time.

Key word there is a fumble. "Fumble" and "Backwards Pass" (aka lateral) are separately defined actions. They are not the same thing. Take a look at this doc that defines them.

http://static.nfl.com/static/content...ass_Fumble.pdf

[Kaabee]

Lateral isn't considered a fumble bro....fumble isn't expected laterals are. They can hit the ground

You are 1000% wrong.

FUMBLE
Article 3 Fumble.

A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which
results in a loss of player possession.

[GT21Megatron]

You are 1000% wrong.

FUMBLE
Article 3 Fumble.

A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which
results in a loss of player possession.

quit betting squirt

[DrStale]

Lateral isn't considered a fumble bro....fumble isn't expected laterals are. They can hit the ground

So if a player is in the middle of lateraling the ball and he gets hit it's not a fumble? It's definitely a fumble, bro.

[Kaabee]

quit betting squirt

LOL are you retarded?

[d2bets]

You are 1000% wrong.

FUMBLE
Article 3 Fumble.

A fumble is any act, other than a pass or kick, which
results in a loss of player possession.

Step back and think, bro. A backward pass IS a pass.

And a "pass" includes a BACKWARD PASS (aka lateral) which is exactly what this was. Take a look at Section 7, Article 1. A backward pass is not the same as a fumble. If it was, it would not need to have a separate section defining it.

Notice in the definition of fumble it doesn't reference FORWARD pass, only says pass. That's because it;s intended to include both forward pass and backward pass. A backward pass is not a fumble. This is not rocket science.

[Kaabee]

A DROPPED backwards pass is a fumble. Jesus Fukkin Christ.

[GT21Megatron]

LOL are you retarded?

Call me right

[GT21Megatron]

Lateral = backwards pass....

if your to stupid to understand the rules I posted then maybe you should stop betting bro.

[GT21Megatron]

A DROPPED backwards pass is a fumble. Jesus Fukkin Christ.

It's not rugby dipshit

[Kaabee]

It's not rugby dipshit

Stop burying yourself man. This is hilarious. Have you never watched football before? Unreal.

[d2bets]

A DROPPED backwards pass is a fumble. Jesus Fukkin Christ.

NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:

Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...ry.html#page=1

/discussion

[Kaabee]

That blows my mind because I swear to God I have seen the play blown dead after a dropped lateral (backwards pass). Will try to find a video.

[DrStale]

NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:

Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...ry.html#page=1

/discussion

I would love to know how then the refs can distinguish between a lateral and a fumble in which the player is hit as he is lateraling and the ball falls to the ground.

[opie1988]

That blows my mind because I swear to God I have seen the play blown dead after a dropped lateral (backwards pass). Will try to find a video.

Never. That's a live ball.

[GT21Megatron]

NFL Ref Jerry Markbreit disagrees with you:

Another question regarding the two-minute, fourth-down fumble rule, what about a dropped lateral? Is that considered a fumble and not advanceable or does the ball have to be fumbled forward for the rule to take effect? --Matt Cox, Bloomington, Ill.
It is a forward pass if the ball initially moves forward to a point nearer the opponents' goal line after leaving the passer's hand or, the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponents' goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer's hand. A backward pass is any pass that is not a forward pass. The phrase, "lateral pass," does not exist in the NFL rule book. Lateral passes are backward passes.
A fumble is any act other than a pass or legal kick which results in loss of player possession. The term "fumble" always implies possession. If an offensive player fumbles and then recovers his own fumble, he has regained possession.
So to answer your question, any backward pass can be advanced and recovered by anyone, unlike a fumble occurring during the two-minute/fourth-down situation. A backward pass is not a fumble. (emphasis added)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...ry.html#page=1

/discussion

Dude is a complete moron talking about me watching a football game...fu king retard

[GT21Megatron]

Backwards pass = lateral

Its about the intent...FUMBLES ARE NOT INTENDED....

[Brock Landers]

See for yourselves
http://www.foxsports.com/college-foo...com%3Acfbonfox

[d2bets]

I would love to know how then the refs can distinguish between a lateral and a fumble in which the player is hit as he is lateraling and the ball falls to the ground.

My thought is that the analysis would be similar to whether a QB is making a forward pass vs. a fumble when he is hit as throwing. Sometimes it is a tough call.