Legendz - This is a book you should look at

bigboydan · 08-10-07, 06:17 PM

I couldn't play with them for bases though John. Those 20 cent lines are killers.

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 07:02 PM

Better to play at The Pig (sister book, right?) as they have reduced vig at least.

Mudcat · 08-10-07, 07:05 PM

Hmm. Someone had a thread recently about what books we are surprised are still in business. This was my post:

Originally posted by Mudcat

First book that came to mind for me: Legendz. Don't get me wrong; I like the people there and I wish them well. But they have full juice with no opinionation, low limits, weak selection, not-particularly-great bonuses.

For anything a player could want, there are multiple books that do it better. Yes Legendz pays but they are not the only book that pays.

It's hard for me to see why people deposit.

katstale · 08-10-07, 07:21 PM

ditto

I mean, in the review page SBR states they will collar you and they don't want "professional action"! Sounds like they just want to steal Tony's players. Oh I forgot, he has reduced juice and pays also.

Well, that does leave manners. Legendz for sure got him beat there!!

Nothing here to see that is not done better elsewhere.

SBR_John · 08-10-07, 07:32 PM

A lot of players just want a professional book with great customer service and good people. In past years books like VIP and Bet365 did a great job with this group. Now there seems to be a void. Hopefully Bodog performs well and BetOnline can join in with BetJamaica and Legendz and offer this group a good selection.

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 08:00 PM

Legendz is offering a free half point on NFL Sundays if you bet the entire board (each game has to be the same amount and only nickel max per game).

-107's on Fridays.

If you bet all on Friday at -107, I would think you still get the free hook.

Mudcat · 08-10-07, 08:31 PM

Well that's an intriguing deal for anyone who is disposed towards betting the whole board (which is not me).

I'm trying to think if I could make it worthwhile just from a strategic/numbers standpoint. I usually don't have opinions on more than a handful of NFL games each week so the rest I would be strictly fiddling with numbers.

Maybe if it was a week where you were able to move on/off a lot of 3's and 7's, particularly 3's.

But then I wonder if they have rules about that, a la Skybook.

But if you could move on/off those 3's and get the Friday -107, I bet some business could be done.

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

I'm trying to think if I could make it worthwhile just from a strategic/numbers standpoint. I usually don't have opinions on more than a handful of NFL games each week so the rest I would be strictly fiddling with numbers.

This was how I was considering this promotion myself. I'm not sure it's going to be too advantageous, but if there are no restrictions on the key numbers, then there could be some promise.

austintx05 · 08-10-07, 08:49 PM

often times you might not get the line you want if you wait for friday's -107...and if you want to wait till friday...why not just use Bet JM for -105?

maritime · 08-10-07, 08:52 PM

I joined Legendz 2 football seasons ago. I happened to go on a good hot streak right after I opened the account and worked my balance up to around 8k. They labeled me as a sharp, and management limited my wagers to $50 maximum which was ridiculous. They basically forced me out. I cashed out, they did pay (neteller at that time). But not a book for heavier bettors that's for sure.

Omnivorous Frog · 08-10-07, 08:52 PM

Is the pig in Panama also? Is it a sister store? Pretty ironic on the bottom of your post is a downgrade Bet Pan Am to D-. Would that be like downgrading BOS now? Looks like Panama could be a place to be. One more concern from that SBR place.

Limit collars: Yes, limits will be cut for professional players

Could that be clarified?

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by austintx05

often times you might not get the line you want if you wait for friday's -107...and if you want to wait till friday...why not just use Bet JM for -105?

The -107 was only brought up in regards to the possibility that it may be allowed to overlap with their other promotion (the free half point on betting the NFL Sunday board), in which case, it would be naturally better than betting a -105.

austintx05 · 08-10-07, 08:58 PM

oh ok...thanks

Omnivorous Frog · 08-10-07, 09:06 PM

"Of all the books on this site, I would trust as much or more money with
Luke and Legendz than any other group. As with most books on this site, they will limit you if you are chasing steam and they make it known they do not want professional action...but as far as honesty and integrity, I'll take Luke over anyone in the industry (actually, a tie with his friend Spiro)."
Clip Joint- EOG Forum Poster

Nice testimonial, hope it was not a credit account.

Hey another good one, old jj's close buddy..

"After many years of betting sports offshore I can only think of a handful of operations that I trust with my money and never think twice about it, and Legendz is one of those places". -Krackman, CasinoTimes

Zeroed · 08-10-07, 09:15 PM

Pig is the better book of the 2, from my experience..

austintx05 · 08-10-07, 09:20 PM

last I checked Matchbook welcomes pro action with much better prices.

Omnivorous Frog · 08-10-07, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by maritime

I joined Legendz 2 football seasons ago. I happened to go on a good hot streak right after I opened the account and worked my balance up to around 8k. They labeled me as a sharp, and management limited my wagers to $50 maximum which was ridiculous. They basically forced me out. I cashed out, they did pay (neteller at that time). But not a book for heavier bettors that's for sure.

SBR warned me about this:

Limit collars: Yes, limits will be cut for professional players

But to $50? From what may I ask?

Mudcat · 08-10-07, 09:42 PM

FWIW, I am a professional and I have dealt with Legendz for years. I have never been limited in any way. That means a $500 cap. Maybe $1000 on an NFL spread. I can't remember for sure.

But I seldom get limited anywhere. I don't chase steam or do anything that attracts much attention. I just deposit and patiently make my bets.

I would only deposit at Legendz when offered a bonus. As I suggested earlier, I can't think of any other reason to deposit there. They used to offer me bonuses once in awhile; I was probably in a lifetime negative there. I haven't had an offer for awhile though.

I agree that Legendz can be trusted with money; it's just that their limits are so low, and they so seldom have the best line on anything, there's no reason to have much money there (unless I really wanted to have a go at that bet-the-board promo).

Omnivorous Frog · 08-10-07, 09:44 PM

Awesome post, thanks. Did you try the Pig?

austintx05 · 08-10-07, 09:48 PM

Mudcat - what books do you use?

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 09:59 PM

My time at the Pig last year was solid. Like Mudcat said, there weren't too many opinionated lines, but one thing I do remember wagering there a lot on were 2H's in baskets. CS was excellent and money is secure as can be.

Omnivorous Frog · 08-10-07, 10:03 PM

I'd rather go for the low juice than the gimmicky Fri or every game on the sked. Probably get cutoff anyway. I mean limited to $50. Bacon, bacon, bacon.

armyoflovers · 08-10-07, 10:05 PM

any reason to abandon the Greek and go here?

moses millsap · 08-10-07, 10:06 PM

Originally posted by armyoflovers

any reason to abandon the Greek and go here?

Only if they offer a bonus. (If you are talking about Legendz). ThePig does offer reduced vig, so it would be a viable secondary out to the Greek.

stump · 08-11-07, 12:00 AM

have been a good book for years but to be a top book they need to:
1. provide overnight lines, many times their lines are up extremely late
2. 20 cent baseball lines suck
3. personally i hate the software

still a good viable out, but not the majority of my action

forgot to mention. customer service has always been top notch to me

aircoryell · 08-11-07, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by stump

have been a good book for years but to be a top book they need to:
1. provide overnight lines, many times their lines are up extremely late
2. 20 cent baseball lines suck
3. personally i hate the software

still a good viable out, but not the majority of my action

forgot to mention. customer service has always been top notch to me

sharp post. said it better than I could

like to add:

new linesmaker is pretty sharp. I play there on the credit side and never had an issue with limits, altough didn't get into them really bad either. I think luke has some balls. good shop great CS. AS a post up player, there are better choices as far as your top 4, but on credit do not turn down.

SBR_John · 08-11-07, 12:23 AM

Thanks guys, great posts.

This is not a shop that will give away the farm. But we have sent a lot of players there and they have been treated good. Plus, if they don’t deserve to be an A+ book I'd love to know it now.

In our due diligence, we believe they can process payouts in a timely fashion. They are in a brand new facility that they built and own but new facilities are nor always a positive in the short run.

We have invited Legendz to to sponsor the SBRForum. They have long been a sponsor of SBRLines as is pretty much all the major books. Yes it helps the forum to have another sponsor. But in Legendz case I think it’s a must. Players need an open line of communication with every A+ book. I think this is a book to have for football.

RickySteve · 08-11-07, 12:29 AM

You embarrass yourself claiming this is a professional book.

tacomax · 08-11-07, 12:35 AM

Originally posted by RickySteve

You embarrass yourself claiming this is a professional book.

Indeed, you should stick to the professional books like Pointbet.

SBR_John · 08-11-07, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by RickySteve

You embarrass yourself claiming this is a professional book.

Actually I don't. I've seen and met more books and bookmakers than probably anyone. When we stamp an A+ on a book and tell you they are a professional book you can cash it. I still respect your opinion however.

pags11 · 08-11-07, 03:46 AM

john,

excellent thread topic...I currently have legendz rated as my number three book on the net...

jjgold · 08-11-07, 06:57 AM

I think it is an underrated book but I think we still need more time to make it an A type book. If I had to choose between a Jazz or a Legendz I would go with Jazz mainly because in the industry longer.

Omnivorous Frog · 08-11-07, 09:26 AM

To speak of Jazz and Legendz in the same sentence is laughable. You stayed somewhere besides a Holiday Inn Express last night jj?

maritime · 08-11-07, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Omnivorous Frog

SBR warned me about this:

Limit collars: Yes, limits will be cut for professional players

But to $50? From what may I ask?

From whatever the house limits were at the time. I think $1000 for football.

I basically made 1 neteller deposit of a few hundred dollars and just caught fire. Before I knew it, they blocked my login and forced me to call customer service which I did. The gal said "management has labeled you as a sharp" and that my maximum wager limit was now $50. My jaw dropped. I am not a "sharp", I just had a good streak right from the start.