Getting TAXED by IRS for catching Barry Bonds #756 homerun!!!

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  • Iwinyourmoney
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 04-18-07
    • 18368

    #1
    Getting TAXED by IRS for catching Barry Bonds #756 homerun!!!
    Mets fan could face big tax bill over Bonds' home run ball

    By MARCUS WOHLSEN, Associated Press Writer
    August 8, 2007


    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Before he celebrates his windfall, the New York Mets fan who emerged from a violent scrum clutching Barry Bonds' record-setting home run ball should probably call his accountant.

    As soon as 21-year-old Matt Murphy snagged the valuable piece of sports history Tuesday night, his souvenir became taxable income in the eyes of the Internal Revenue Service, according to experts.

    "It's an expensive catch," said John Barrie, a tax lawyer with Bryan Cave LLP in New York who grew up watching the Giants play at Candlestick Park. "Once he took possession of the ball and it was his ball, it was income to him based on its value as of yesterday,"

    By most estimates, the ball that put Bonds atop the list of all-time home run hitters with 756 would sell in the half-million dollar range on the open market or at auction.

    That would instantly put Murphy, a college student from Queens, in the highest tax bracket for individual income, where he would face a tax rate of about 35 percent, or about $210,000 on a $600,000 ball.

    Even if he does not sell the ball, Murphy would still owe the taxes based on a reasonable estimate of its value, according to Barrie. Capital gains taxes also could be levied in the future as the ball gains value, he said.

    On the other hand, he said, if the ongoing federal investigation into steroid abuse among professional athletes takes a criminal turn for Bonds, the ball's value could go down -- which would likely allow Murphy to claim a loss.

    Not everyone concurs on Barrie's interpretation of the intersection between professional sports and the nation's tax code.

    But for its part, the IRS seems reluctant to clear up the confusion. With six-figure treasures so rarely falling out of the sky, the agency declined to comment Wednesday on what regulations would apply and whether they would be enforced in the case of the Bonds ball.

    History does not provide much of a guide since most fans who have been lucky enough to snag previous long balls have chosen to sell their mementos. And at least one ball was as much a source of embarrassment for the IRS as revenue.

    As Mark McGwire chased the mark for most home runs in a season in 1998, IRS officials initially said the ball that broke Roger Maris' long-standing record could be subject to taxes even if it were returned to McGwire. The statements were ridiculed by politicians and quickly disavowed by the agency's top brass.

    "All I know is that the fan who gives back the home run ball deserves a round of applause, not a big tax bill," then-IRS Commissioner Charles Rossotti said at the time.

    Ultimately, Tim Forneris, a member of the St. Louis Cardinals grounds crew, recovered McGwire's 62nd home run ball. He turned it over to the Cardinals and received a trip to Disney World and a minivan in return.

    Phil Ozersky, a Cardinals season-ticket holder, caught McGwire's 70th homer later that season and sold it in 1999 to comic book artist Todd McFarlane for $3 million.

    A spokeswoman for the Giants said that as with any ball that enters the stands at AT&T Park, Bonds' 435-foot drive into the right-center field stands belonged to the person who caught it, so the team wouldn't seek its return. Bonds said he also had no interest in retrieving it.

    Murphy, who went to the game during a layover from a flight to Australia, grew up near Shea Stadium and was wearing a Mets jersey when he made the charmed grab.

    He told the New York Daily News he planned to keep 51 percent of the proceeds from the sale of the ball and would give the rest to his friend, Amir Kamal, 21, of New York, who was also at the game.

    "I won the lottery," he told the newspaper. "I'm going to be smart about what I do with it."
  • TheOffshoreGambler
    SBR High Roller
    • 07-20-07
    • 105

    #2
    Nice of him to split the profits with his friend. Man the view of that pileup. Had to be some pretty good injuries come out of that pile.
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    • rolemand
      SBR MVP
      • 03-24-06
      • 1033

      #3
      Bull. the ball is not worth anything until it sells.
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      • Willie Bee
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-14-06
        • 15726

        #4
        Not true, rolemand. I'm not one to come to defense of the IRS, but in this case the ball does have value. And if he were to decide to keep it, that value could be calculated by how much he insured it for.
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        • Justin7
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 07-31-06
          • 8577

          #5
          But when would he realize the gain? Upon catching, or its sale? I believe for collectibles, you do not realize a gain until the object is sold (since his basis is $0, or even the cost of the tickets).
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          • Willie Bee
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 02-14-06
            • 15726

            #6
            Justin, I'm basing this on just what I've seen in the past. Not sure exactly when he realizes the gain, but I do believe, based on precedence, that once he himself establishes a value, then the IRS can tax it.

            I have a friend in the Denver area who was something of a collectibles person to start with. Slowly but surely, the collection grew, some of it simply stuff that people sent him because they knew he'd get more out of it. I'm not talking about a couple thousand baseball cards and an autographed bat or two. I'm talking a dozen or more chairs from MLB stadiums that have closed, a Shoeless Joe Jackson bat, home plates and pitching rubbers from stadiums, literally hundreds of thousands of dollars of stuff.

            So he decides he needs to insure it and that is when he finds out that as a private collector, it became taxable. He ended up having to set up his basement as an official museum in order to keep it off his personal records. He even gives tours, and it's worth it if you're in that area sometime. LINK
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            • bigboydan
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-10-05
              • 55420

              #7
              Originally posted by Justin7
              But when would he realize the gain? Upon catching, or its sale? I believe for collectibles, you do not realize a gain until the object is sold (since his basis is $0, or even the cost of the tickets).
              Your absolutely right Justin. It's worthless until somebody sells it. The media can speculate all they want too about the price of it, but until a collect appraises the value of the ball it's just another $5 baseball made by a manufacture.
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              • tblues2005
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 07-30-06
                • 9235

                #8
                I think it will be counted as some value just like collectible baseball cards is like, I think they will get a value of by apprisial from some expert to decide what it is worth and what it probably should go for I think.
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                • rolemand
                  SBR MVP
                  • 03-24-06
                  • 1033

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Willie Bee
                  Not true, rolemand. I'm not one to come to defense of the IRS, but in this case the ball does have value. And if he were to decide to keep it, that value could be calculated by how much he insured it for.
                  Even so you're implying he has placed a value on it by insuring it. I'm just saying the ball in and of itself is about a $50 ball.
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                  • spliff
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 07-16-06
                    • 547

                    #10
                    seems like the government always gets their cut no matter what
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                    • compaqDikk
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 10-08-05
                      • 5699

                      #11
                      i was there at section RR row 5 and smuggled in some baseballs. when i saw 756 get launched, i threw a few baseballs in the vicinity of the ball. oh man if you had seen their fukkin faces. priceless. they thought they hit the jackpot
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                      • armyoflovers
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 07-26-07
                        • 714

                        #12
                        If I wouldve caught that ball I wouldve thrown the bitch back on the field. I wouldnt want any part of that juiced-up ball man. My integrity for the game is more than $500k.
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                        • Willie Bee
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-14-06
                          • 15726

                          #13
                          Originally posted by rolemand
                          Even so you're implying he has placed a value on it by insuring it. I'm just saying the ball in and of itself is about a $50 ball.
                          Well, maybe you and Dan are right, it's just another ball that is in the $5-$50 range. The fact that MLB was using specially marked balls for Bonds' at bats recently makes me think it's not just another ball, but for the sake of argument, let's call it that.

                          So you catch the ball and decide you're going to keep it. To you, it just has sentimental value, which is a value that includes both 'worthless' and 'priceless.' You build a nice little display case at your home to show it off to your friends, and then your homeowner's insurance comes up for renewal. Your friendly insurance agent drops in to sit down and reappraise the value of your home and its belongings. He sees the ball in its splendid display case and asks you about it.

                          "Oh," you remark rather off-handedly, "that's Barry Bonds' 756th home run ball."

                          The agent's jaw drops to the floor as he's shocked to learn that you have had the ball in your home and basically un-insured for months now. My guess is he's going to tell you that you either insure it for $x -- the value his company decides -- or you can't put in a claim once your house goes up in smoke or you get robbed. And I'd be willing to bet that even if you choose not to insure it, your homeowner's premium is going up because it's an inviting target to thieves while it's in your house.

                          I agree with you all; a fair market value will be placed on the ball once it's sold. But suggesting it has NO value at all right now, that it's 'just another ball,' is wrong.
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                          • LargeMouthBass
                            Restricted User
                            • 03-18-07
                            • 1095

                            #14
                            Originally posted by armyoflovers
                            If I wouldve caught that ball I wouldve thrown the bitch back on the field. I wouldnt want any part of that juiced-up ball man. My integrity for the game is more than $500k.
                            Do you wanna cookie?
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                            • Starion
                              SBR High Roller
                              • 01-12-07
                              • 149

                              #15
                              I like the part where the IRS wouldn't even comment whether it was taxable or not. Sad that they don't even know their own tax law. I'm in agreement that unless it's sold for more money than you can buy it at a sporting goods store, it's not a taxable event.
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