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  • JBC77
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    • 03-23-07
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    Dutch Consider Magic Mushroom Ban
    By JOOST VAN EGMOND/AMSTERDAM Aug. 08, 2007

    When Amsterdam police found a disoriented French tourist in his van last month with his slain dog beside him, he told them he had wanted to free the animal's mind. He also said he had ingested magic mushrooms, which contain the hallucinogen psilocybin. The incident played into a running debate over whether the Netherlands' famously liberal drug laws are too lax with psychedelic mushrooms. Also in July, a Danish tourist raced his car through a campsite, and a 19-year old man from Iceland jumped out of a window; both had taken magic mushrooms, known in Dutch as "paddos," as had a French teenager who jumped off a bridge to her death in March.

    Since then, most parties in the Dutch parliament have been calling for a clampdown on magic mushrooms. In dried form, the fungi are already prohibited, but fresh mushrooms can still be legally sold in the Netherlands. The country's public health minister, Ab Klink, has so far steered clear of banning psilocybin mushrooms altogether, in part because his ministry considers it legally problematic to ban a product that grows naturally. But in May he commissioned fresh research into the risks of "paddo" use, and has said he would consider the results, due next month, in deciding how to act.

    This being the Netherlands, critics say even that measured reaction is too precipitous. They argue that while "paddo" use may have been involved in serious incidents, it's too easy to single out the drug as the cause of them. Municipal heath services determined that the man who killed his dog had a psychosis unrelated to the drug, and the Danish racer consumed alcohol and smoked marijuana before taking his "paddo." Amsterdam municipal heath services report that the number of mushroom-related incidents, while rising, is still dwarfed by problems caused by alcohol. Advocates of a ban counter that the easy availability of magic mushrooms amounts to an invitation to further tragedies.

    There is general agreement, however, that foreigners seem to have more trouble with 'shrooms that the Dutch themselves do. In Amsterdam, some 90 percent of ambulance dispatches related to magic mushroom use this year were for foreign visitors, especially from Britain, trailed at a distance by Italy, the U.S. and France. "Most problems are caused by foreigners who come here on cheap flights to take as many drugs as they can find," says Guy Boels, chairman of VLOS, an association of Dutch magic mushrooms retailers. "They hardly sleep, they drink alcohol and smoke pot as much as they can and then take a paddo on top of that."

    Boels says the risks of reckless behavior are quite small as long as paddos are not mixed with alcohol or drugs. Still, VLOS supports a proposed regulation to ban the sale of the mushrooms to minors and calls for a registration system to identify "weekend tourists". For now, that watchful but tolerant approach is getting the endorsement of Dutch public heath experts. Unless the new research commissioned by the minister arrives at new insights, the government appears more likely to play the regulation card than to support a total ban on magic mushrooms.
  • BatemanPatrickl
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    • 06-21-07
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    #2
    Screw that. Let stupid people take drugs and kill themselves.
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    • capitalist pig
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      • 01-25-07
      • 4998

      #3
      The gene pool gets cleaned a little, too bad for the dog though.

      later
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      • Omnivorous Frog
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        • 08-02-07
        • 255

        #4
        Mike Vick was on shrooms killing dogs?
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        • betplom
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          • 09-20-06
          • 13444

          #5
          Originally posted by Omnivorous Frog
          Mike Vick was on shrooms killing dogs?
          No, killing dogs after licking frogs!
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          • Omnivorous Frog
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            • 08-02-07
            • 255

            #6
            Never trust a man who carries a toad in his pocket and a water bottle in the airport?
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            • Lucas
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              • 12-20-05
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              #7
              if they ban it, it is definitelly sad news; i still hope that rest of europe will follow Holland, not Holland rest of Europe

              anyways magic mushrooms can be found in woods of almost every country, so no big problem
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              • isetcap
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                • 12-16-05
                • 4006

                #8
                Originally posted by Lucas
                if they ban it, it is definitelly sad news; i still hope that rest of europe will follow Holland, not Holland rest of Europe

                anyways magic mushrooms can be found in woods of almost every country, so no big problem
                So can poison ivy or poison oak. I wouldn't suggest eating either. It's wonderful to have the freedom to poison your body with anything you want, but when the things you put inside your body create detriment to the living beings around you then some consideration should be given to policing such "freedoms".
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                • LargeMouthBass
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                  • 03-18-07
                  • 1095

                  #9
                  Drugs don't kill people, stupid people on drugs kill people, dogs, and sometimes themselves...
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                  • Lucas
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                    • 12-20-05
                    • 1062

                    #10
                    Originally posted by isetcap
                    So can poison ivy or poison oak. I wouldn't suggest eating either. It's wonderful to have the freedom to poison your body with anything you want, but when the things you put inside your body create detriment to the living beings around you then some consideration should be given to policing such "freedoms".
                    i agree, people with IQ under your president should not be allowed to post shit about things than can/cannot be done

                    or maybe somebody should make a law that bans mushrooms from growing.. or maybe some chemicals should be used... or i suggest to shoot all mushrooms pickers

                    i mean that has absolutelly no sense to ban something, that is here... btw. many new drugs are invented or refounded, right now i am making experiments with salvia divinorum - still legal in my country - who should have right to say what is and is not dangerous? Mushrooms are one of the greatest things in the world! (I am saying it even when i also jumped on mushrooms from 4th floor) Risk vs. reward.

                    Btw. I hope you are ok after eating poison-ivy from your backyard some people´s experiments have no borders
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                    • capitalist pig
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                      • 01-25-07
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                      #11
                      Lucas, Im certainly no expert, but here in the US there is an ingredient put in cattle feed that prevents the schrooms from having mind altering effects. Cattle crap is where most wild mind altering USA scrooms originate from.

                      Later
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                      • LargeMouthBass
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                        • 03-18-07
                        • 1095

                        #12
                        You have to do shrooms in the mountains where you can be one with nature, not in concrete jungle where everything is so hectic and can lead to paranoia. Regardless, these kids had no business doing any types of drugs. It seems as though, they had mental issues before shrooms...
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                        • Lucas
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                          • 12-20-05
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                          #13
                          LOL
                          i would not be surprised that somebody would gladly do it, but my minor chemistry wisdom tells me that probability that somebody invented crap, that causes that mushrooms can not syntetize psilocyn and psilocybin, is converging to zero; of course i can be wrong, do you have a source?

                          there are many kinds of mushrooms, not all are from fields with cattle, i heard that americans rarely go to woods and pick mushrooms; here in europe it is national sport and every kid knows many kinds of mushrooms - eatable, noneatable, poisoned and also psychedelic; it seems america has some mushrooms fobia and everything around them seems darksome
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                          • capitalist pig
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                            • 01-25-07
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                            #14
                            Lucas, no source, I just know several dairy cattle ranchers who have told me this. There is an anti fungal ingredient added to the feed, somehow it prevents the fungi from forming in the cows stomachs. Schrooms lost popularity here about 30 years ago, back when I was in high school. This conversation is WAY out of my limited chemistry knowledge.

                            You are correct about America having a schroom phobia, we have always been taught that wild ones will make you sick.

                            later
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                            • jjgold
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                              • 07-20-05
                              • 388179

                              #15
                              I love these mushrooms, had some big days when on them.
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                              • durito
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                                • 07-03-06
                                • 13173

                                #16
                                Any type of drug, illegal or legal, including alcohol can cause people to have adverse reactions. There is no need to over react to a few events (a very big problem in the US today).

                                Thousands of people die or are injured because they are prescription drugs they shouldn't be on in the US every year.
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                                • betplom
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                                  • 09-20-06
                                  • 13444

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Lucas
                                  i agree, people with IQ under your president should not be allowed to post shit about things than can/cannot be done
                                  People with an IQ lower than the US President eh?

                                  I'd love to know what percentage of the US population THAT represents, George W. is one smart cookie, isn't he?
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                                  • Lucas
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                                    • 12-20-05
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                                    #18

                                    i must confirm i did not apply it only to US population, i do not know americans, so i can not make conclusions about them

                                    true is that on forums i probably found some US citizens that maybe exceed their sharp president in brain capacity; to be honest, i could use any politician of the world as the lowest criterion of thinking that one can imagine

                                    ... and any population of course, the durito´s case of stupid overreaction is quite common everywhere
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                                    • gridironguy
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 04-17-07
                                      • 575

                                      #19
                                      No mushrooms?!?!

                                      They're not very fun guys (fungis)

                                      Sorry, i know it's weak sauce but i just had to say it..
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                                      • moses millsap
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 08-25-05
                                        • 8289

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by isetcap
                                        So can poison ivy or poison oak. I wouldn't suggest eating either. It's wonderful to have the freedom to poison your body with anything you want, but when the things you put inside your body create detriment to the living beings around you then some consideration should be given to policing such "freedoms".
                                        Luckily, I read this post earlier today. When having to decide between the Cobb Salad and the new Poison Ivy Caeser Special tonight at the Cheesecake Factory, it was easy to turn away from the temptation of this new phenomenon that is surely ready to take over the world of salads.

                                        On a more serious note, I agree wholeheartedly with your last comment.
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                                        • BatemanPatrickl
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                                          • 06-21-07
                                          • 18772

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by durito
                                          Any type of drug, illegal or legal, including alcohol can cause people to have adverse reactions. There is no need to over react to a few events (a very big problem in the US today).

                                          Thousands of people die or are injured because they are prescription drugs they shouldn't be on in the US every year.
                                          They die or are injured because they don't follow medical advice on how to use the prescription drugs. How many of us had painkillers that said "1 every 8 hours" and instead take 3 every 8 hours. I know I have. Can't blame Big Pharma for everything.
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                                          • TheOffshoreGambler
                                            SBR High Roller
                                            • 07-20-07
                                            • 105

                                            #22
                                            Man I havent had magic mushrooms in years...
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                                            • JoshW
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                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 3431

                                              #23
                                              Is nice that it is legal somewhere. Anything pleasurable can be abused. Is certainly risk.
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                                              • moses millsap
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                                                • 08-25-05
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by lakerfan
                                                Anything pleasurable can be abused.
                                                The key to indulgence is moderation.
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                                                • durito
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                                                  • 07-03-06
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl
                                                  They die or are injured because they don't follow medical advice on how to use the prescription drugs. How many of us had painkillers that said "1 every 8 hours" and instead take 3 every 8 hours. I know I have. Can't blame Big Pharma for everything.

                                                  What about the thousands of teenagers that killed themselves after been on acutane? I doubt they were abusing the drug.

                                                  What about all the kids we put on ritalin when they are just acting like kids? What about the millions of people on antidepressants who would be better off just taking a jog every day?

                                                  Drug policy (both illegal and legal) in the US is ridiculously misguided.
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                                                  • BatemanPatrickl
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                                                    • 06-21-07
                                                    • 18772

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by durito
                                                    What about the thousands of teenagers that killed themselves after been on acutane? I doubt they were abusing the drug.

                                                    What about all the kids we put on ritalin when they are just acting like kids? What about the millions of people on antidepressants who would be better off just taking a jog every day?

                                                    Drug policy (both illegal and legal) in the US is ridiculously misguided.
                                                    I am sorry but thousands of teenagers did not kill themselves after being on accutane; if you have a report that states that I would love to see it.

                                                    People on anti-depressants or kids on ritalin do not equal massive deaths and injuries.

                                                    Please explain why our laws are misguided?
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                                                    • BatemanPatrickl
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                                                      • 06-21-07
                                                      • 18772

                                                      #27
                                                      Looks like less than 200 DOCUMENTED CASES:

                                                      Some studies point to a link between these feelings and certain acne medications, namely Accutane. Since 1982, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has documented 173 cases of suicide among Accutane patients. Since such cases are self-reported, there is a good chance that the numbers are even higher. Some Accutane patients have reported depression and other serious mental problems while taking Accutane or shortly after stopping treatment. Some patients report having suicidal thoughts, as well. For this reason, it is essential that you seek medical help immediately if you begin experiencing sadness, depressed feelings, irritability, or have feelings of wanting to hurt yourself or wanting to end your life.
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