Freeplay rollover

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:34 AM

I've been trying to get the skinny on that too. You have to complete the rollover then the initial free is yours to the best of my understanding. After you wager $300 worth then you have $50 I think on a free play.
But on a free cash once you roll it then it's all yours. Their trick is the rollover, most people cant roll it & will lose it before they roll & then no withdraw. If I'm wrong on this PLEASE explain because I'm not sure.
I have enough points to get a cash play but I want someone to explain the process & the book with the best rules for the rollover to choose from

warriorfan707 · 01-31-10, 04:36 AM

For some reason the mods seem to refuse to explain the cash rollover to us, either that or they are unaware that its very unclear

ZetaPsi808 · 01-31-10, 04:40 AM

fine I'll explain.

the 6x rollover here says you have to bet 300 bucks before you can withdraw your funds . basically the books want you to lose your money before you are eligible to cash out. smart rule on their part.

does that help?

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:40 AM

I know, you'd think they could explain it it easy terms & have it posted at top of points forum. Or make a frigin video about it, we can have a video of JJ lightin' farts or some *hit but not something we need!

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:41 AM

But it's different on free & cash plays.

ZetaPsi808 · 01-31-10, 04:42 AM

rollover is a very common term used by offshore books

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:43 AM

I thought I had it figured out pretty easy but everyone else seems to have so much trouble with it that I second guess myself for finding it easy, me not dat smarts an all ya know!

ZetaPsi808 · 01-31-10, 04:43 AM

go with fteeplays and use them on +200 dogs. that's the best way to go

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:44 AM

My biggest Q is on a $50 free x4 once you've rolled it to $300 you then get your $50?
And on a cash play you get it all once you roll it?

ZetaPsi808 · 01-31-10, 04:45 AM

betphoenix $250 freeplay for 900 points

warriorfan707 · 01-31-10, 04:45 AM

How is there even a rollover on "cash". Then honestly the cash isn't in fact cash but its a free play.

So whats the difference between cash and a free play then?

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:46 AM

I hear this from everybody & I appreciate the max value advice, just tell me how that works if I wanted to bet $1 each play. I don't need a money mgmnt system just the rules

warriorfan707 · 01-31-10, 04:46 AM

Obviously we know what a rollover is, we just aren't used to it being applied to "cash"

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:47 AM

You get to keep the cash after the rollover where the freeplay you just keep the free amount after the rollover, RIGHT?

warriorfan707 · 01-31-10, 04:48 AM

Yea thats gotta be right

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 04:51 AM

I am well aware of what a free play is and what a rollover is. Normally when you get a freeplay from a sportsbook its comes as a bonus with a deposit of real money. You then have to complete the rollover before you even get the freeplay correct? If you are winning while working on the rollover however you are receiving your winnings because you have real money in your account. In the case that you get the freeplay from the sbr store you have no real money. Sooo while completing the rollover what happens if you win? It doesn't count?Then once you make $300 in wagers then they give you the free play?

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 04:55 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

You get to keep the cash after the rollover where the freeplay you just keep the free amount after the rollover, RIGHT?

On a free play you will never actually get that money. You only get the money that you win off of it. For example, you get a $50 free play you bet it all and win. Only the winnings ($50) will go into your account. Most books i think give you two seperate accounts. One with your regular money and one with your free play amount.

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:56 AM

That's what I understand. You don't have shit but a $50 free play. When you roll it to $200, $300 whatever, then you have actual $50, the free amount. But pay a few more points & get the cash play & when you roll it you have the amount you rolled. Because it's like cash bonus where they'll give you 25% of what you deposit but you must roll x amount before withdraw. Same as the cashplay it looks to me. It's not your cash til you roll but then you can play it how you want or withdraw. But the $50 free is not $50 until you roll then you only get the fifty.

Please someone answer this

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by S.K.M.

On a free play you will never actually get that money. You only get the money that you win off of it. For example, you get a $50 free play you bet it all and win. Only the winnings ($50) will go into your account. Most books i think give you two seperate accounts. One with your regular money and one with your free play amount.

That doesn't make sense. None goes into an account you can use until it's rolled 3 or 4 times then you get the free $50

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 05:01 AM

Ok so on a cash bonus you're saying that if in the process of completing your rollover you win a bunch then once your rollover is complete you get all the winnings you made along the way as a cash balance available for withdrawal?

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 05:03 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

That doesn't make sense. None goes into an account you can use until it's rolled 3 or 4 times then you get the free $50

You can never withdraw a freeplay. You can only withdraw the winnings from using the freeplay.

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 05:06 AM

I think so. They figure either way you'll lose it. But the cash is yours to play with but you have to roll it 6 times or whatever. You know when you deposit $1000 and they will give you $300 bonus but you have to roll it 5 times for instance. Same thing! That $300 is not yours until you turn it into $1500, which most people cant do so that free 30% bonus on the $1000 deposit means nothing to them, they seldom have to pay it.

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by S.K.M.

You can never withdraw a freeplay. You can only withdraw the winnings from using the freeplay.

Once again makes no sense. They are giving you something free, ($50) once you meet their requirements to get it. Wager 3 or 400 and then you get your free prize $50

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

I think so. They figure either way you'll lose it. But the cash is yours to play with but you have to roll it 6 times or whatever. You know when you deposit $1000 and they will give you $300 bonus but you have to roll it 5 times for instance. Same thing! That $300 is not yours until you turn it into $1500, which most people cant do so that free 30% bonus on the $1000 deposit means nothing to them, they seldom have to pay it.

Yeah you don't actually have to make any profit to get your bonus though. You just have to make the wagers. If you are a .500 gambler you can easily complete a rollover and keep the cash bonus. And with a cash bonus they give you it up front and all the money is in the same account. But if you do a withdrawal before rolling it then they take the bonus amount back out.

warriorfan707 · 01-31-10, 05:10 AM

no. lets say u risk your freeplay on a 3 team parlay to win 300. You now have 300 dollars cash in your account, but the cash u cant withdraw until you have risked a total of 8x the rollover or whatever the rollover requirements happen to be for that book

THE PROFIT · 01-31-10, 05:10 AM

I'm going to bed now, this is the blind leading the mentally challenged & I don't know which one I am. LoL! Hopefully someone will come in this thread this morning & show us without giving betting advice & a fukin martingale system to getting the optimum value of a freeplay. I dont give a shi*!!!! Just explain how it works & I'll play how I want

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by THE PROFIT

Once again makes no sense. They are giving you something free, ($50) once you meet their requirements to get it. Wager 3 or 400 and then you get your free prize $50

Yes it makes sense. This is the definition of a free play. You get to play with it for free but you never get to keep it. If you win while playing with it then you get to keep the winnings but not the original amount.

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by warriorfan707

no. lets say u risk your freeplay on a 3 team parlay to win 300. You now have 300 dollars cash in your account, but the cash u cant withdraw until you have risked a total of 8x the rollover or whatever the rollover requirements happen to be for that book

Is this if you get a freeplay from sbr store and you dont have any real money in your account? Are you sure? Thank you this is exactly what ive been asking! Sooo your winnings go into your cash balance and if you complete the rollover on your freeplay without blowing that $300 then you can withdraw it?

G's pks · 01-31-10, 11:04 AM

The reason SBR does not explain it is....they do not set the rules of the rollover the individual book does. They may all have different amount of times the freeplay or bonus has to be rolled over. Someone mentioned Bet Phoenix I am guessing if it appears you are getting more for your money/points there it may not be what it appears! The rollover requirement there is probably more.

Real simple... lets put it this way... Zboiz saves enough points to get a rollover. He chooses a freeplay rollover that is 5x.

The freeplay is for $50... so it would be 50 X 5= 250, not only total amount wagered, but may have limitations on the money line you can bet.

What does that mean? Well now Zboiz likes to follow G's pks and bets lots of Ml winners....they usually all win...but now Zboiz finds out to his shock that none of these bets actually count toward the rollover!

Why? OK You will see another restriction... The books will also limit you to under -200 money lines to count toward the bonus. So even though Zboiz has become wealthy with all the winners...it has done nothing to help the rollover.

So keep your bets for the rollover requirements under the ML -200.

Now what is the difference between the cash rollover and the freeplay rollover?

The freeplay rollover works like this.... The king bets a -110 line with the bears -110 $50 to with 45, if he wins (most unlikely in his case) only the $45 won goes into his account... $5 disappears...(only the amount won goes back into account) so once you roll over the freeplay 5x...whatever is left is yours to keep. The reason betting plus moneylines (underdogs) is a good idea..if you bet parlays read the rules to make sure they are accepted.

Now the cash free play... now it may just be 4x rollover read the rules... Justin decides he will give the cash freeplay a shot...it is only 4x so it would be 50 x 4 =200. Not bad Justin says... he quickly turns the rollllover amount and cashes out! A bet would be like this... Justins bets a +110 dog, he bets 50 to win 55...he wins! with the cash rollover the whole wager goes back into account ($105).

Hope this helps a little...the names used are just for example and hopefully the characters used in this helped out...

whatsgood5 · 01-31-10, 12:42 PM

You can not cash-out until you complete the rollover. But you can still wager with the free-play and the money won from it.

S.K.M. · 01-31-10, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by G's pks

The reason SBR does not explain it is....they do not set the rules of the rollover the individual book does. They may all have different amount of times the freeplay or bonus has to be rolled over. Someone mentioned Bet Phoenix I am guessing if it appears you are getting more for your money/points there it may not be what it appears! The rollover requirement there is probably more.

Real simple... lets put it this way... Zboiz saves enough points to get a rollover. He chooses a freeplay rollover that is 5x.

The freeplay is for $50... so it would be 50 X 5= 250, not only total amount wagered, but may have limitations on the money line you can bet.

What does that mean? Well now Zboiz likes to follow G's pks and bets lots of Ml winners....they usually all win...but now Zboiz finds out to his shock that none of these bets actually count toward the rollover!

Why? OK You will see another restriction... The books will also limit you to under -200 money lines to count toward the bonus. So even though Zboiz has become wealthy with all the winners...it has done nothing to help the rollover.

So keep your bets for the rollover requirements under the ML -200.

Now what is the difference between the cash rollover and the freeplay rollover?

The freeplay rollover works like this.... The king bets a -110 line with the bears -110 $50 to with 45, if he wins (most unlikely in his case) only the $45 won goes into his account... $5 disappears...(only the amount won goes back into account) so once you roll over the freeplay 5x...whatever is left is yours to keep. The reason betting plus moneylines (underdogs) is a good idea..if you bet parlays read the rules to make sure they are accepted.

Now the cash free play... now it may just be 4x rollover read the rules... Justin decides he will give the cash freeplay a shot...it is only 4x so it would be 50 x 4 =200. Not bad Justin says... he quickly turns the rollllover amount and cashes out! A bet would be like this... Justins bets a +110 dog, he bets 50 to win 55...he wins! with the cash rollover the whole wager goes back into account ($105).

Hope this helps a little...the names used are just for example and hopefully the characters used in this helped out...

Thank you this was a great explanation! One more question about the bolded section above: $45 (the winnings) goes into his account but then does he still have the $50 freeplay balance to play with or is that gone now? The way i understand it at some books you have two seperate balances: cash and freeplay.

G's pks · 01-31-10, 04:10 PM

No with the freeplay the amount of the win only is added only... you lose any amount over the winnings... One more example...

You have a $50 freeplay... you bet a -120 line so you bet the whole $50 to win $40. If you win...you only have the $40, but it is now in your account still requiring the rollover.

G's pks · 01-31-10, 04:21 PM

Also just so you know...you do not have to bet the whole thing at once! You can even make the minimum wager... say you bet $5 (if that is the minimum wager... what ever the win amount is gets added to your account... so if you bet a +110/$5... youwin, you get $5.50 to add to your account, the remaining freeplay amount is 45, each time you make a bet the freeplay available goes down, the winnings appear in your account minus the original freeplay bet so you bet 5...minus that out of freeplay leaves $45 still in free play.

If the $5 bet loses it is just deducted from the freeplay amount...nothing comes out of your cash account so you lose the 5, no affect on your account...but freeplay total remaining is $45.

Glitch · 01-31-10, 04:24 PM

someone probably answered, but thats what the roll-over IS. the point at which you can withdraw from freeplay money.

Some books do have separate account sections, between freeplay and your cash account balances- but a lot of times, those are the books that take away your "investment"-end of freeplay wager, and only give you back your winnings-
then they put those winnings into the cash account balance section but still make you keep track in your head where you are- in accordance to the roll-over stipulations- or ask cs.