BoDog & Ayres the next big target for DOJ?

[gridironguy]

They don't accept MoneyGram and Western Union..

I believe they are a huge target for the US DOJ, and they know it..

From everything I've heard about routine line-switches at BoDog with player profiling, combined with this info about money transfers that they do not accept, and I would not play at BoDog even if someone paid me to do so..

[bigboydan]

I don't know if they are or not, but I gotta believe that they possibly could be on the DOJ list IMO. I just don't want to see anyone else get busted over this B.S. law is all.

[gridironguy]

I agree Dan, but every time I see an article where Calvin Ayres is boasting about his money, I cringe.

It feels like he is thumbing his nose at our US govt, and while I don't agree with the new law, I don't appreciate our govt being shown up in this way..

[gridironguy]

Ayres is asking for trouble by doing all of these interviews and being so pompous about *getting over* on the US govt..

[bigboydan]

Thats just it gridironguy. He needs to tone it down in order to stay under the radar IMO.

[gridironguy]

He is making it worse for both himself and for the industry.

He definitely needs to tone it down from several interviews, to NO interviews..

[sean72]

I agree Dan, but every time I see an article where Calvin Ayres is boasting about his money, I cringe.

It feels like he is thumbing his nose at our US govt, and while I don't agree with the new law, I don't appreciate our govt being shown up in this way..

You dont like seeing YOUR government shown up this way. You fcukwit if it wasnt for YOUR government then we wouldnt be having these problems would we

[gridironguy]

Do your HW on the subject and then learn how to speak to people respectfully, son.

It was right after Calvin Ayres interview on 60 mins when he thumbed his nose at the US govt that they stepped up the heat on the offshore industry. Many people *in the know* who have strong sources in govt say that this interview changed everything.

If you live outside of the US, then you can play at Pinnacle and you really shouldn't have any "problems", should you?

[Ol' Sarge]

So...I take it from you guys that you all think he is making himself a targe and the DOJ will be busting Bodog pretty hard soon.

Does this mean it is even less safe for US Players at Bodog (than normal)...??

What is the "safest" book??

Thanks

[Seattle Slew]

I doubt that was the case. Pinning this crackdown on Arye is silly. They were going after whoever they could grab in the U.S. Arye did get lucky he wasn't the first on his trips into Las Vegas.

It was right after Calvin Ayres interview on 60 mins when he thumbed his nose at the US govt that they stepped up the heat on the offshore industry. Many people *in the know* who have strong sources in govt say that this interview changed everything.

If you live outside of the US, then you can play at Pinnacle and you really shouldn't have any "problems", should you?

[bigboydan]

So...I take it from you guys that you all think he is making himself a targe and the DOJ will be busting Bodog pretty hard soon.

Does this mean it is even less safe for US Players at Bodog (than normal)...??

I'm not saying there going to get busted. It's just pure speculation on everyones part is all. In my opinion though I would have to say they are probably the most logical target based on Calvin's love of the spotlight.

[sean72]

Once again ITS YOUR GOVERNMENTS FAULT not Calvins. If he was showing up YOUR government then it was because YOUR government deserved it
I am sick and tired of you americans blameing everyone else but the people who have caused this problem

YOUR government

[Dandy Lion]

there's more to Bodog than gambling offences under US law.

Ayre has recently dined with Vladimir Putin in the Presidential Palace in Moscow and stuff like that, a British Columbia criminal violating US law dining with the President of Russia. It ain't just gambling they are investigating Ayre for, its much more than that.

Don't expect Bodog to go down until the FBI has the full picture of what Calvin has been up to.

[gridironguy]

I could not put my finger on it but something funny is going with this book..

[pags11]

yep gridironguy...and players should steer clear of playing with them until further notice...

[donjuan]

there's more to Bodog than gambling offences under US law.

Ayre has recently dined with Vladimir Putin in the Presidential Palace in Moscow and stuff like that, a British Columbia criminal violating US law dining with the President of Russia. It ain't just gambling they are investigating Ayre for, its much more than that.

Don't expect Bodog to go down until the FBI has the full picture of what Calvin has been up to.

Can you explain how it's illegal under US law for a non-US citizen, non-US resident to have dinner with Putin? The US has absolutely no jurisdiction over that.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Can you explain how it's illegal under US law for a non-US citizen, non-US resident to have dinner with Putin? The US has absolutely no jurisdiction over that.

What does this have to do with BoDog?

[donjuan]

Read the post I quoted.

[pokernut9999]

When they did away with Western union that was a sign the noose was getting tighter. I played for 3 years with them but I am done now.Glad I found a local for football. Will miss the poker though.

[BatemanPatrickl]

Read the post I quoted.

Just read it and I have no clue why that would be against US law.

[pokernut9999]

A guy with billions dining with a powerful Russian would raise flags. Worth looking at. Come on BP

[BatemanPatrickl]

A guy with billions dining with a powerful Russian would raise flags. Worth looking at. Come on BP

Come on BP? Since you are an expert on US law as it applies to Russia, please explain why it is illegal?

[pokernut9999]

I did not say it was. Said it was worth looking at. Common sense dictates that.

[bigboydan]

Just read it and I have no clue why that would be against US law.

Your right it's not against the U.S. law sir. As long as Calvin stays off U.S. soil, and U.S. air space they can't get him.

[JBC77]

Do your HW on the subject and then learn how to speak to people respectfully, son.

It was right after Calvin Ayres interview on 60 mins when he thumbed his nose at the US govt that they stepped up the heat on the offshore industry. Many people *in the know* who have strong sources in govt say that this interview changed everything.

If you live outside of the US, then you can play at Pinnacle and you really shouldn't have any "problems", should you?

That was exactly what happened. He turned the heat up on everyone. Two days after he made the cover of Forbes....the Justice Department swung into action.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ghbwg-bGh40

[pags11]

Ayre definitely brought a lot of this on by his arrogance...

[Dandy Lion]

I did not say it was. Said it was worth looking at. Common sense dictates that.

I didn't say it was either. But it is something that is odd. The president of Russia dining with a man who is a serious criminal under American law? It is also odd that Ayre hasn't been arrested in Canada and extradited to the US.

Putin has long been rumored to be involved with the Russian mob. Ayres is known to have hung out with Russian gangsters in Vancouver before the Hells Angels killed them. How does somebody who is really a nobody get to dine with the President of Russia?

It is of course possible that the cops haven't got it all together yet. They certainly have the goods on Ayres. They can pick him off anytime and force places like England to extradite him, not on gambling charges, but on laundering the proceeds of crime. They are waiting either because there is someone bigger than Ayres they are trying to bring into the net, or Ayres is working for the American government in some capacity. I tend to think its the former.

[Dandy Lion]

Your right it's not against the U.S. law sir. As long as Calvin stays off U.S. soil, and U.S. air space they can't get him.

Sorry Dan, but that's completely wrong. They can have him arrested in Canada and extradited anytime they want. Same thing in England. Don't even have to present any evidence there.

Staying out of the States won't protect him. Even Antigua won't protect him if the heat is turned up.

[operaman]

Sorry Dan, but that's completely wrong. They can have him arrested in Canada and extradited anytime they want. Same thing in England. Don't even have to present any evidence there.

Staying out of the States won't protect him. Even Antigua won't protect him if the heat is turned up.

what is your motive on all this dan? who do you work for?
will you profit in anyway if bodog goes down or looses customers?

[Dandy Lion]

what is your motive on all this dan? who do you work for?
will you profit in anyway if bodog goes down or looses customers?

What conceivable difference would any of that make? Either what I have said about the law in respect to extradition is right or it isn't. If it isn't tell us all why you think it isn't.

You want another stupid question...

What is your motive in all of this Operaman? Who do you work for? Will you lose money in any way if bodog goes down or loses customers?

My three answers are in the order you asked:

correction of a misapprehension
Myself
No.

[bigloser]

You really think countries will allow extradition for "gambling offences"



Didnt Bush meet with Putin? With his alleged links to organised crime should he have done this?
Either it is OK to do business with Russia or it isnt. US oil companies do OK. But they arent Calvin Ayres and it is clear you have an issue with the guy

[Dandy Lion]

You really think countries will allow extradition for "gambling offences"

I hope not because I don't think honest gambling should be an offense. Ayre is being investigated for things beyond gambling, money laundering being the most obvious. He is taking the proceeds of what by US law is illegal gambling and putting on MMA shows in the US, paying ION TV to run those shows. All of that is money laundering beyond any doubt. Any time you try to wash illegally gotten gains in the US its money laundering.

Lots of countries extradite for money laundering.

[offshorexplorer]

Do your HW on the subject and then learn how to speak to people respectfully, son.

It was right after Calvin Ayres interview on 60 mins when he thumbed his nose at the US govt that they stepped up the heat on the offshore industry. Many people *in the know* who have strong sources in govt say that this interview changed everything.

If you live outside of the US, then you can play at Pinnacle and you really shouldn't have any "problems", should you?

The logic in this statement is retarded.

The issue of legality of online gambling in the USA "should" have no bearing on companies registered and operating legally in other countries.

If online gaming is considered illegal in the USA, then go after the USA citizens who are engaged in the illegal conduct.

The USA Government DOESNT do that because they are all about stealing money from others. As there is no big cash pt to steal from the individual player, they go after the large company outside their borders unders the guise of a variety of BS premises.

Bottom line is No Foreign company should have to concern themselves with BS laws in a country where they are not based

Based on the logic the US Government uses, your president should be extradited to a variety of countries to face a variety of charges.

[offshorexplorer]

I hope not because I don't think honest gambling should be an offense. Ayre is being investigated for things beyond gambling, money laundering being the most obvious. He is taking the proceeds of what by US law is illegal gambling and putting on MMA shows in the US, paying ION TV to run those shows. All of that is money laundering beyond any doubt. Any time you try to wash illegally gotten gains in the US its money laundering.

Lots of countries extradite for money laundering.

The money laundering charge/allegation has no basis in reality.

Without the "Online Gambling" being illegal, where is the "proceeds of crime"

Once again an example of US methodology for government sanctioned theft.

[offshorexplorer]

Sorry Dan, but that's completely wrong. They can have him arrested in Canada and extradited anytime they want. Same thing in England. Don't even have to present any evidence there.

Staying out of the States won't protect him. Even Antigua won't protect him if the heat is turned up.

I am afraid you are incorrect.

In Canada at least, evidence would have to be presented prior to any judge granting an extradition order.

The US would attempt to get one on money laundering as NONE of their other charges would provide them said extradition order.

Further I would assume Calvin has competent enough Canadian Counsel to discharge the issue of online gambling before any Canadian Court, and in doing so, the alleged money laundering disappears with it.