Was this played correctly?

[pat venditto]

Read On player was that was mixing it up a good ammount and varying his style of play very frequently. He 3 bet me from the BB preflop enough for me to realize that he's popping me with a wide range (basically could be any two cards). So I decided to defend with q8 because i'm positive it beat alot of his range and I had not defended vs one of his 3 bets yet till now. (70-80 hands into the match.

Also he was value betting very thinly on the flop turn and river. I don't think he was a good hand reader and basically whenever he flopped top pair or 2nd pair he would value bet it all the way through from the button. (Even though I was defending from the bb not very often only a few times. (Which made me believe he was not a very advanced player.

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PokerStars Game #37584272350: Tournament #228181348, $53.00+$2.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (5/10) - 2010/01/03 10:47:02 ET
Table '228181348 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: pvenditto88 (2015 in chips)
Seat 2: smittyjagger (1985 in chips)
pvenditto88: posts small blind 5
smittyjagger: posts big blind 10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pvenditto88 [8h Qs]
pvenditto88: raises 20 to 30
smittyjagger: raises 50 to 80
pvenditto88: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [8s 4c Qd]
smittyjagger: bets 130
pvenditto88: calls 130
*** TURN *** [8s 4c Qd] [Ad]
smittyjagger: bets 320
pvenditto88: raises 1485 to 1805 and is all-in
smittyjagger: calls 1455 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (30) returned to pvenditto88
*** RIVER *** [8s 4c Qd Ad] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
smittyjagger: shows [Qc Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
pvenditto88: shows [8h Qs] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
smittyjagger collected 3970 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3970 | Rake 0
Board [8s 4c Qd Ad 9h]
Seat 1: pvenditto88 (button) (small blind) showed [8h Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: smittyjagger (big blind) showed [Qc Qh] and won (3970) with three of a kind, Queens

I think he would call the all in with smaller two pairs and any ace basically and thought that I played this correctly but am looking for input.

Cheers.

[FishFace5]

Q8 off-suit might not have been the best spot to defend especially after u made such a tiny preflop raise. Soon as the flop came you were stuck though.

[daneblazer]

Way too early to worry about defending your blind. If the blinds were higher then I could justify it. Who gives a rip about 10 chips?

**Scratch that...not sure how the hell you were 80 hand into a match on level 1. Pokerstars tournaments drive me insane

[mcbaseball10]

Way too early in tourney to make that big a move patty. You were setting the trap well, but got over aggressive in pushing your entire stack. I could have put him on 2 pair A rag that would have beat you as well. Call his bet on the river if you think you have him beat, and use the information for later in the tourney.

[poker_dummy101]

he cant be that good.. he 3bet 1.5x barely over a min raise where should be calling with most of your range.. easy call for me with stacks so high and blinds so low

also wth are the blinds doing at 5/10 70-80 hands into it? are you playing a no blind increase? these people are actually usually pretty decent or slow play the whole match and it lasts 4hrs for $50. i would recommend just going with the turbos

[poker_dummy101]

Way too early to worry about defending your blind. If the blinds were higher then I could justify it. Who gives a rip about 10 chips?

horrible advice

[TheLock]

Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure why you decided to take a stand with Q/8

[TheLock]

Playing turbo's is not good advice. It's a shove fest, not poker.

[poker_dummy101]

Maybe it's just me but I'm not sure why you decided to take a stand with Q/8

its a heads up tourney, are you saying you don't raise preflop with q8 otb?

[poker_dummy101]

Playing turbo's is not good advice. It's a shove fest, not poker.

you clearly have no idea about heads up poker

[daneblazer]

horrible advice

Meh...So you are going to put yourself in a questionable situation with an average hand to defend a 10 chip blind?

I can justify defending yourself or evening donking a few chips off early to create a table imagine but you have to know when to put on the brakes.

[Dunder]

Q8 off-suit might not have been the best spot to defend especially after u made such a tiny preflop raise. Soon as the flop came you were stuck though.

Yup.

[poker_dummy101]

Ignore all this bs.. if you want to learn heads up/sitngo poker start with:

pokerstove
sitngo wizard
SAGE (google it)
ICM (google it)

[daneblazer]

For whatever reason I thought this was a tournament, not a heads up.

Jeez...I need some more coffee. Don't listen to anything I said above

Heads up I don't think you played it badly. A 9 handed tournament would have been different.

[jgray]

For whatever reason I thought this was a tournament, not a heads up. Jeez...I need some more coffee. Don't listen to anything I said above Heads up I don't think you played it badly. A 9 handed tournament would have been different.

I didn't catch it was head-up either until pointed out later.

Unless you knew something else about the player I'm not sure how you can put him on top set. The A may give you pause given you had to believe he caught something on the flop. A-board would have been a problem for you as well.

That said, given that it was heads up, I tend to agree with Fishface, you were probably stuck after the flop.

[bettilimbroke999]

Poker is all luck, you got unlucky next time it may be the other way around, also q8 sucks so callin preflop reraises is obviously idiotic but you flopped the miracle to make it seem like a good play, but he also flopped the miracle so you got busted

[pat venditto]

This is no blind increase boys. It's 2000 starting stack 5/10 the whole match.

[pat venditto]

betlilimbroke if somebody is 3 betting you from the bb with any two cards (ie 6-7,5-3,j-7) You're telling me it's not profitable to call with q8? Poker is about knowing the other players style.

[framboise]

you played it correctly. you just got unlucky that he had a set.

[rdo37]

betlilimbroke if somebody is 3 betting you from the bb with any two cards (ie 6-7,5-3,j-7) You're telling me it's not profitable to call with q8? Poker is about knowing the other players style.

If you really thought he was definitely making small 3 bets with shit hands, then you should have 4-bet preflop 4x-5x his 3-bet, and then folded if he 5-bet shoved. As it was played, you did fine post flop, you basically had the nuts for a HU match, just ran into a cooler hand.

[TheLock]

its a heads up tourney, are you saying you don't raise preflop with q8 otb?

I did not realize it was heads up. That changes everything.

And take a fvckin combat breathe dude. You have no fvcking clue what I know about heads up poker. Have you ever played me heads up? Jesus.

[DrStale]

betlilimbroke if somebody is 3 betting you from the bb with any two cards (ie 6-7,5-3,j-7) You're telling me it's not profitable to call with q8? Poker is about knowing the other players style.

Don't even bother taking someone seriously who says "poker is all luck"

[bettilimbroke999]

Played it correctly then I guess, but still got busted, thats what always pisses me off about poker if you play perfectly you still have to dodge outdraws, coolers, cold cards, etc, stick to sports gambling and load up on the Vikes

[TheLock]

Didn't the Supreme Court rule that poker is not a game of luck?

You WANT poeple drawing to flushes and gut shots. You WANT guys needing the 2 outer on the river. It amazes me how many poker players just don't get it.

I shouldn't even be tapping the glass.

[bettilimbroke999]

You WANT to be coolered, you WANT to be outdrawn, you WANT to be cold decked, you WANT to lose all your money

[pat venditto]

Betlil if its all luck how can you explain the fact that theres are many more millionaires that made their money from poker and not sports betting. How can you explain the fact that there are professional players like doyle brunson who have been playing professionally sucessfully for probably 50 years.

I just think you may be a little narrow minded because of your own experiences with the game. Good luck with the vikings bet.

Only bet that I think has no chance to lose today is the jets ml.

[bettilimbroke999]

There's plenty more ppl that have become millionaires playin the lottery than either poker or sports gambling

If 6k ppl throw 10k into a pot thats 60 mil dollars they call it the world series of poker every year, now of course 10-20 of those ppl are going to become millionaires simply bc theres so much fukin money in there and the odds are so high 20 out of 6k become millionaires the rest just lost 10k, so Moneymaker/Gold etc are the highest skilled poker players in the world since luck is not the key factor

Brunson almost quit tournament poker a few years ago he was losin so much and he's backed as part of a group called the Corporation which essentially divides the net winnings of all the pros so when you sit down with Brunson, Harman, his son, etc you're just gettin chopped up

[daneblazer]

You can't say luck is no factor, but in order to have success in the long haul you have to have skill.

The WSOP Main Event is going to have as much variance as any live poker tournament out there.

[pat venditto]

Brunson and most players don't make their income off of tournament poker. (Cash games)

[poker_dummy101]

I did not realize it was heads up. That changes everything.

And take a fvckin combat breathe dude. You have no fvcking clue what I know about heads up poker. Have you ever played me heads up? Jesus.

Well, seeing how you can't understand a simple hand history makes me think I have a huge advantage on you.

[poker_dummy101]

Didn't the Supreme Court rule that poker is not a game of luck?

You WANT poeple drawing to flushes and gut shots. You WANT guys needing the 2 outer on the river. It amazes me how many poker players just don't get it.

I shouldn't even be tapping the glass.

This post also makes me think that.