What does Kentucky, Tenn and LSU tell us?

20Four7 · 01-01-10, 05:01 PM

I'm on oregon here...... can still live bet to cut my exposure but 2 and 0 so far today so I doubt I'll do anything but pour another drink and watch the game.

ZBOIZ · 01-01-10, 05:09 PM

Texas ML

pokernut9999 · 01-01-10, 05:12 PM

They were all dogs and lost.

bigdog3580 · 01-01-10, 05:13 PM

Yea, SEC is overrated. Living on the past reputation.
Hope FLA loses today to Cincy. That would be awesome.

MartinBlank · 01-01-10, 05:18 PM

I would love to see an SEC travel outside of the SEC and play a solid non-conference game late in the season.

It isn't going to happen.

They will get exposed.

pokernut9999 · 01-01-10, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by MartinBlank

I would love to see an SEC travel outside of the SEC and play a solid non-conference game late in the season.

It isn't going to happen.

They will get exposed.

Florida has not played a non-conference game out of the state since world war 2

jjgold · 01-01-10, 05:26 PM

SEC might be a fraud

Cincy might pound Florida

daneblazer · 01-01-10, 05:27 PM

Who the hell travels outside of conference late in the season? Outside of the rivalries it doesn't happen.

hhsilver · 01-01-10, 05:33 PM

I don't think anyone read the thread I started a few weeks ago about the easy out of conf schedule of the SEC. Mainly my interest was that of a fan who would like more interesting out of conf games, but the fact is , for the most part , they play easy teams and then when they get into conf play , the teams that lose are still considered "great" because they are losing to even "greater" teams in the "great' conf.

By the way, John, you might have included Auburn in the thread title even though they eked out a win as a 8-9 point fav.

mmike032 · 01-01-10, 05:36 PM

do all other conferences besides the SEC travel and play tuff out of conference competetion?

wacked · 01-01-10, 05:39 PM

Love the haters. All teams beside Florida and Bama were avg at best.
LSU has Les I can't manage a game with less than 2 minutes Miles
Tenn has a coach who's mouth is bigger than the Gulf of Mexico
Kentucky is a basketball school that has managed to be decent in football as of late.

SEC most BCS National Championships and has won 3 in a row! or 4 out of the last 7.
SEC is 5-0 for 100% winning percentage in BCS NC Games.
Yeah real pretenders...Bama makes it 5 out of the last 8.
I can tell you one thing for 100% sure. Neither a PAC-10 or a BIG TEN school will win a BCS NC this year.

BCS National Championship Game appearances by conference

BIG 12 - 7 appearances Wins 2 - Losses 4
SEC - 6 appearances Win 5 - Losses 0
ACC - 3 appearances Win 1 - Losses 2
Big East - 3 appearances Win 1 - Losses 2
Big Ten - 3 appearances Win 1 - Losses 2
PAC-10 - 2 appearances Win 1 - Losses 1

Also why some SEC teams do not play tougher out of conference schedules... They don't need to.

NCAA strength of schedule End of 2009
1. Miss St - Played Georgia Tech and Houston OOC
2. Georgia - Played Oklahoma St and Arizona St OOC
3. South Carolina - Played North Carolina St and Clemson OOC
6. Arkansas - Played Texas A&M OOC
8. Auburn - Played West Virginia OOC
19. LSU - Played Washington
21. Vandy - Played Army and Georgia Tech OOC
22. Bama - Played Virginia Tech and SEC Championship Game
27. Tenn - Played UCLA and Memphis
32. Florida - Played Florida St and SEC Championship Game
48. Kentucky - Played Louisville
51. Ole Miss - Played Memphis

I've given the worthy OOC opponents for each team.
I'm not sure what else you want some of these teams to do. Do you expect them to play all BCS teams in their OOC games? So they can then go and get beat up each game in the SEC? LOL ya right, no team in any conference is going to do that. As you can see Georgia played both Oklahoma St and Arizona St this year which are two very tough BCS conference schools.

hhsilver · 01-01-10, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by mmike032

do all other conferences besides the SEC travel and play tuff out of conference competetion?

I have the data for this year. I was going to expand of what I posted for the SEC. The answer to your question is (briefly) that the other bcs confs also play lower teams. This year the Pac 10 had by far the most ambitious non conf schedules.

I was ready to post %'s vs FCS and %'s vs other BCS confs. The SEC is among the highest (worst) in the 1st case and among the lowest (worst) in the 2nd case.

By the way, everyone was down on the pac10 after the first 2 bowls , but the top 4 of the MTN WEST are really good teams. certainly better than most BCS conf teams.

mmike032 · 01-01-10, 05:58 PM

I think it comes down to having nothing to gain from traveling cross country and playing top teams.
If they win than well, they're the SEC, they're supposed to win...
if they lose then it shatters any NC hopes if they had any to begin with.

I seem to recall this year Richt saying that UGA wouldnt schedule anymore cross country out of conference games for this reason. the program has nothing to gain from it and no other schools are doing it.
UGA traveled to Arizona last year, and Okie St this year.

seaborneq · 01-01-10, 06:10 PM

Nothing. Everyone with a brain knew the SEC was top heavy.

daneblazer · 01-01-10, 06:12 PM

Damon Evans didn't get that message. He scheduled a home and home w/ Oregon in a few years

hhsilver · 01-01-10, 06:16 PM

Wacked, here's what I think is the fallacy of the SOS thing. SOS is based on the rankings of the teams one plays. The SEC , because it's been a good conference in recent years ( I don't deny that and am not anti-SEC) , starts the year with high (maybe over rated ) rankings . Then , as a whole , they don't play many tough out of conf games and they keep the high rankings. So when they start playing each other, the SOS's go up because , win or lose, they are playing highly ranked teams.
Of their 48 out of conf games, 11 were vs FCS and 15 were vs MAC, Sunbelt,Army, only 14 vs other BCS conf teams.
As I said, it would be better for the fans if they were tested more by teams from other BCS confs.

Mike, interesting what you say about GA. This year, they had by far the toughest SEC out of conf sched - 3 from other BCS confs. Besides that , only S CAR ( N C ST and Clem) had more than 1. Some had 0. This is out of 4 out of conf games each. Sorry to hear GA wants to change that. The others should try to do it more like GA did it this year.

The Seer · 01-01-10, 06:16 PM

TN plays alot of west coast teams, ucla and cal just the last 4 years home and home not to mention Notre Dame and Miami before that. Next year it's Oregon. Is that not enough?

mmike032 · 01-01-10, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Damon Evans didn't get that message. He scheduled a home and home w/ Oregon in a few years

really, I didnt know that
I did hear something about playing Idaho ST I believe, and the talk about a home and home with Army in a few years. dont know what came of that.

maybe I'm wrong about Richt stating about the nothing to gain, coulda been one of the talking heads. IDK
but you dont see FLA/Bama traveling across the country to play a top 10 team.
again ,they have nothing to gain from it.

The Seer · 01-01-10, 06:26 PM

Like I posted above UT plays a home and home wiith Oregon the next 2 years.

JsmooveFTW · 01-01-10, 06:28 PM

Funny that this argument was the prime reason Auburn was screwed out of the MNC game in 2004, and afterward we all found out "almost lost 4 times" Choklahoma indeed wasn't even the 3rd best team that year and Auburn should have played USC. It wasn't even close and Auburn fans knew it. But everyone's hatred of the SEC kept them out. Now everyone is playing teams not in the FBS at least once after that year. And so the SEC free pass begins. You have Auburn to thank, but even though an SEC school will likely never be cheated again on the big stage, the hatred continues. Their top teams are just too good to leave out. Even the haters can't help but conceed respect when the time comes.

BTW, look at recruiting. Sec brings in far and away the best talent. So tell me why they shouldn't feel/be superior. There's always the big 6 that rules the conference and a couple of surprises each year. Who else has a big 6?

Jag8917 · 01-01-10, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by bigdog3580

Yea, SEC is overrated. Living on the past reputation.
Hope FLA loses today to Cincy. That would be awesome.

This.

The SEC IS overrated this year. The Pac doesn't have one team that I feel is a powerhouse but there is more parity with the fall of USC.

wacked · 01-01-10, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by hhsilver

Wacked, here's what I think is the fallacy of the SOS thing. SOS is based on the rankings of the teams one plays. The SEC , because it's been a good conference in recent years ( I don't deny that and am not anti-SEC) , starts the year with high (maybe over rated ) rankings . Then , as a whole , they don't play many tough out of conf games and they keep the high rankings. So when they start playing each other, the SOS's go up because , win or lose, they are playing highly ranked teams.
Of their 48 out of conf games, 11 were vs FCS and 15 were vs MAC, Sunbelt,Army, only 14 vs other BCS conf teams.
As I said, it would be better for the fans if they were tested more by teams from other BCS confs.

hhsilver,

I understand exactly what you are saying. It has a lot of truth to it, but it's something which is measurable and it's a stat. You can see the teams I listed above that the SEC plays OOC. It's not weak by any means as you can see. My only argument with this would be why is the SEC perceived as being the best conference in America? That's the only way the SOS is so high for all the teams in the conference. So I guess it's everyone in the polls, computers etc who think that also? Are they all biased?

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Speaking again on the thread topic now:

Everyone can argue about how "weak" the SEC is but I just laugh and say 3 BCS Championships in a row going for a 4th.
SEC is also 5-0 in BCS Championship games looking to go 6-0 while every other conference has at least 1 loss.

The facts speak for themselves. The last time I checked only 1 team can win the BCS NC game. It doesn't matter if a conference has 3 teams in the top 5 or 1 in the top 25.

daneblazer · 01-01-10, 06:38 PM

Florida is going to plaster Cincinnati.

Alabama plays Penn State, Georgia Tech, and Michigan State in the future.
LSU plays West Virginia, Oklahoma, NC State, TCU, and Arizona State among others.
UGA plays GT every year, Oregon, Louisville, and Clemson
UF plays FSU every year, Miami and USF
Auburn plays Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Kansas State
Tennessee plays UNC, Cincinnati, Uconn, Oregon, Oklahoma, Nebraska, & Ohio State in the future.

You people don't have a valid argument and are bitching just to be bitching.

SBR_John · 01-01-10, 08:35 PM

I'm not crapping on the SEC or Pac I'm just trying to pad my wallet.

Btw, I love Arkansas and Georgia was my top bowl pick. I loved Tenn but they dont have a Frank Beamer so just a bad pick there.

Mac4Lyfe · 01-01-10, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by hhsilver

Wacked, here's what I think is the fallacy of the SOS thing. SOS is based on the rankings of the teams one plays. The SEC , because it's been a good conference in recent years ( I don't deny that and am not anti-SEC) , starts the year with high (maybe over rated ) rankings . Then , as a whole , they don't play many tough out of conf games and they keep the high rankings. So when they start playing each other, the SOS's go up because , win or lose, they are playing highly ranked teams.
Of their 48 out of conf games, 11 were vs FCS and 15 were vs MAC, Sunbelt,Army, only 14 vs other BCS conf teams.
As I said, it would be better for the fans if they were tested more by teams from other BCS confs.

Sorry but your very wrong on this. SOS is computed based on all teams playing each other and has ZERO to do with preseason ranking or polls.

poker_dummy101 · 01-01-10, 08:43 PM

I have an idea... when the SEC stops winning national championships, then you fukks can complain about the SEC.

mmike032 · 01-01-10, 08:47 PM

daneblazer · 01-01-10, 08:59 PM

As you can see above, SEC teams are scheduling good out of conference opponents. This isn't your XBox dynasty league. Nobody is going to schedule the top 4 teams in the country out of conference every year.

HoldEmHook!! · 01-01-10, 09:26 PM

Bama played Vtech this year and Penn St next year......Lsu, Tenn, Kentucky are mediocure SEC talent....And they lost to #2 big ten (penn st).....Highly taughted Acc team (Clemson) And Top rated Acc team (Vtech) In the bowls...Any one who compares the SEC with the PAC 10 are absolute morons....One thing is for sure The SEC shows up to the BCS championship games....

HoldEmHook!! · 01-01-10, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by daneblazer

Florida is going to plaster Cincinnati.

Alabama plays Penn State, Georgia Tech, and Michigan State in the future.
LSU plays West Virginia, Oklahoma, NC State, TCU, and Arizona State among others.
UGA plays GT every year, Oregon, Louisville, and Clemson
UF plays FSU every year, Miami and USF
Auburn plays Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Kansas State
Tennessee plays UNC, Cincinnati, Uconn, Oregon, Oklahoma, Nebraska, & Ohio State in the future.

You people don't have a valid argument and are bitching just to be bitching.

Amen Brother......I have never heard a bunch of grown people who supposedly know so much about football that love to bash on the SEC......Thats the life of the hunted. When you are on top everyone wants to knock you down.....

cjewell83 · 01-01-10, 09:31 PM

florida looks good tonight and so will bama thurs.

HoldEmHook!! · 01-01-10, 09:33 PM

Originally posted by hhsilver

Wacked, here's what I think is the fallacy of the SOS thing. SOS is based on the rankings of the teams one plays. The SEC , because it's been a good conference in recent years ( I don't deny that and am not anti-SEC) , starts the year with high (maybe over rated ) rankings . Then , as a whole , they don't play many tough out of conf games and they keep the high rankings. So when they start playing each other, the SOS's go up because , win or lose, they are playing highly ranked teams.
Of their 48 out of conf games, 11 were vs FCS and 15 were vs MAC, Sunbelt,Army, only 14 vs other BCS conf teams.
As I said, it would be better for the fans if they were tested more by teams from other BCS confs.

Mike, interesting what you say about GA. This year, they had by far the toughest SEC out of conf sched - 3 from other BCS confs. Besides that , only S CAR ( N C ST and Clem) had more than 1. Some had 0. This is out of 4 out of conf games each. Sorry to hear GA wants to change that. The others should try to do it more like GA did it this year.

what team in the FBS plays such a strong non-conference schedule.......

MJT1212 · 01-01-10, 09:35 PM

Tells us ECU +7.5 is a good bet, just like I've been saying all along.

HoldEmHook!! · 01-01-10, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

SEC might be a fraud

Cincy might pound Florida

You might be a fraud as well...everytime you post its sound and furry signifying nothing......