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  • pico
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    • 04-05-07
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    #1
    OT: Gay Gene
    ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Can you tell whether someone's gay just by the way he or she walks?


    Psychologists and geneticists are trying to answer the question of whether sexual orientation is a choice.

    David Sylva wants to know. He straps bright red lights to people's bodies and videotapes them walking in the dark. He then shows the videotape to observers (who won't be biased by clothing or hairstyles since the walker is in the dark) and asks them to guess the walker's sexual orientation.

    Sylva's observations focus on the physical characteristics of the individual's stride, such as the closeness of the knees.

    Why does Sylva, a graduate student at Northwestern University, care so much about how gay people walk? Because he's one of a growing number of researchers who think sexual orientation may be as basic as how you walk, something inborn that you don't choose.

    His premise reflects a growing belief among Americans, according to a new CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll. For the first time a majority of respondents -- about 56 percent -- said they don't believe a person can change his or her sexual orientation. In a similar poll in 2001, 45 percent said orientation couldn't change. In 1998, 36 percent held that belief. The sampling error for Wednesday's results is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points. Watch more on research into the nature of sexual orientation »

    A growing number of psychologists and geneticists are working on the "nature versus nurture" question -- a question that's set off a highly charged political debate about whether people choose their sexuality, or whether gayness is determined by their DNA.

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    Take Richard Lippa, a professor of psychology at California State University at Fullerton. His studies show that gay people are twice as likely to be left-handed. He also collects photos of hair whorls -- those circular swirls you see atop a man's head. He says about 10 percent of the general population have whorls that rotate counter-clockwise, but about 20 percent of gay men have counter-clockwise whorls.

    Lippa acknowledges that studying hair patterns sounds strange. "It sounds a little like the 'Twilight Zone' or voodoo science," he says. But to Lippa, a link between sexual orientation and something that's clearly inborn (like handedness or the way hair grows) speaks volumes. His theory: You can't choose your whorl, and you can't choose your sexuality, either.

    "You're born with either a clockwise or a counter-clockwise hair whorl. It's fixed, it's biologically determined. No one's going to argue that your hair whorl is influenced by learning or culture," he says.

    Lippa says his next step is see whether there are specific genes that control sexual orientation.

    Douglas Abbott thinks Lippa won't find a thing.

    "There is no evidence of a 'gay gene,' " says Abbott, professor of child and family studies at the University of Nebraska.

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    Abbott points to studies that look at the sexual orientation of the offspring of gay people. "If homosexuality was caused by genetic mechanisms, their children would be more likely to choose same-sex interaction," he says. "But they aren't more likely, so therefore it can't be genetic."

    For Abbott, the answer to the nature-vs.-nurture question is very clear. "I think the primary causes of same-sex behavior are environmental and personal choice and free agency," he says. "Can someone change their orientation? The definitive answer to that is, "yes.' "

    That makes Gerulf Rieger laugh. "Ask a bunch of straight guys [if they could switch to being gay] and they would tell you, 'Are you kidding me?' " says Rieger, a lecturer in psychology at Northwestern University. "So the other way around doesn't work either."

    In his research, Rieger shows videotapes of men and women talking about the weather. Observers have been able to predict with great accuracy whether the person talking is gay or straight. "Even within seconds, people are pretty good at figuring out who's gay and who's not," he says.


    Like Sylva with his illuminated walkers, Rieger thinks his research points to genetics, and not choice, as the source of sexual orientation.

    "It doesn't seem to be the social environment, it doesn't seem to be the parents or peers that make you gay," he says. "It seems to be something that comes from within."
  • katstale
    SBR MVP
    • 02-07-07
    • 3924

    #2
    Always remember it is gay people studying these things. And gay people/agendas funding the studies.

    "There is no evidence of a 'gay gene,' " says Abbott, professor of child and family studies at the University of Nebraska.

    This guy is correct. But if it were not for little gay dudes--there would be no Hollywood. And no San Francisco. ........Ok, that would be cool!
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    • Ganchrow
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-28-05
      • 5011

      #3
      Originally posted by katstale
      Always remember it is gay people studying these things. And gay people/agendas funding the studies
      Do you have evidence of this claim?
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      • katstale
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        • 02-07-07
        • 3924

        #4
        Originally posted by Ganchrow
        Do you have evidence of this claim?
        From now on you have to do your own research:




        I would also postulate that most of the guys on this forum were picked last in Phys Ed--but I don't have any hard research for that. OK, a little research for that--JJ told me!
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        • Ganchrow
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 08-28-05
          • 5011

          #5
          Originally posted by katstale
          From now on you have to do your own research:




          I would also postulate that most of the guys on this forum were picked last in Phys Ed--but I don't have any hard research for that. OK, a little research for that--JJ told me!
          Firstly, the single paragraph on this issue simply refers to three studies and doesn't even attempt to suggest that all such studies were necessarily conducted by homosexual individuals.

          Secondly, the claim that "each of these three scientists were also homosexual" is made without any corroborating evidence whatsoever.

          Thirdly, I believe the Exodus group is a faith-based organization, that opposes homosexuality on religious grounds. That's fine -- they're certainly entitled to their opinion. Nevertheless, that certainly does suggest an exogenous bias in their reportage.
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          • zootiehead
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            • 12-09-06
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            #6
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            • pico
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              #7
              nice editing job. way better than the jj on the trading floor pic
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              • BrentCrude
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                • 11-16-05
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                #8
                I personally saw an environment turn young impressionable college kids gay!

                During the later 90's I visited Iowa State in Ames allot because my future wife went to school there.Kids that I swear were straight,mostly girls were thrust into a pervasive gay atmosphere fostered by the faculty and brainwashed that it was cool to be gay.Everything was gay friendly and politically correct to the point where I would have called it liberal alternative lifestyle socialism.A kid probably got extra credit for being gay.

                A young small town rural country farm girl from Iowa would start college in September and by Thanksgiving she would go back home for break and be wearing olive drab birkenstock with work boots and have a significant other of the same sex to introduce to mom and dad.

                It was funky pinko commie there even more so than places like Berkely and Madison in Wisconsin.Iowa State is a gay factory.
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                • pico
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                  #9
                  have you ever thought we're all bisexual by nature? there are certain type of fish that can turn from male to female (or is it other way around)...but just once. i don't think there is nothing wrong with gay people. i like gay guys...the best drugs that i've gotten are from them and because cute girls get their heart broken by them and run to my bed

                  girls wear army boots and burgenstock...that is a crime. like carl marlone says, "i like them lesbians in the movies, but not the butch ones". man, i miss the orginal man show.
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                  • The HG
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                    • 11-01-06
                    • 3566

                    #10
                    I wonder if there's a "making fun of gay people" gene?

                    Because I, well I don't know, I'm not saying I definitely have it, but I mean, I'd say probably I do have it, yeah. I'm completely comfortable making fun of gays, and it's something I "choose" in the sense that I could choose not act on the impulse to make fun of them if I wanted to, although it would be suppressing who I "really" am. But the desire itself to make fun of gays is NOT something I chose to have.

                    A lot of people, of course, think it's funny when I make fun of gays, but it's not something I flaunt. If some people don't think it's funny, that's fine. And when they ask me why I think it's funny, why it's a comedic avenue I choose to pursue, it's hard for me to explain sometimes. I mean why is anything funny to anyone? I don't know, I just love making fun of how fussy gays are, how they act like girls, how they act hyper-manly when they do, how they prance around in nothing but sneakers, panties, sunglasses, a backpack, and rainbow necklaces. The whole thing is just funny to me, but I can't explain why, I've just always been that way.

                    I don't expect everyone to approve of my making fun of gays, but I do wish they'd understand that I didn't just sit down one day and decide that gay people are funny. It's just been a part of who I am for as long as I can remember. Maybe if people could find a making fun of gays gene, people would be more forgiving of people like me.
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                    • Terpman92
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                      • 10-16-06
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                      #11
                      My dad who just recently passed away, was a physician, and the two of us would debate this topic for hours. He contended that there was a gay gene, I would say that it was a learned behavior. If two gay guys raise a young boy in an environment whith a gay culture, the outcome will not be John Wayne. I could go on and on, anyway an interesting topic.
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                      • The HG
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                        • 11-01-06
                        • 3566

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Terpman92
                        If two gay guys raise a young boy in an environment whith a gay culture, the outcome will not be John Wayne.
                        What do you mean?? One of the Village People was a cowboy, wasn't he? The outcome could easily, easily be John Wayne. Gay dudes are not anti-cowboy at all, trust me on that one.
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                        • Hulu
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                          • 07-17-06
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                          #13
                          What I never understand in the 'nature vs. nurture' dispute is why it has to be exclusively one or the other. Very little in life is that simple and its probably a combination of both to varying degrees.

                          Besides, who gives a rat's ass. If someone is gay they are gay. Its their right. Why are we so concerned with how they got that way? As far as I'm concerned the world has a massive over population problem. More homosexuals equals fewer little turd makers running around.
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                          • The Prick
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                            • 08-31-05
                            • 4965

                            #14
                            i only opened this thread 'cause from the title i figgered it was about either that Gene Rayburn dude from Matchgame '76 or that Gene Gene the Dancing machine cat from the Gong Show. oooops!

                            (Jenbird, er, Ganch HG, whaddya know 'bout gay dudes? one do yer hair?)
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