What other sites say about Royal - Much different than SBR

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:29 AM

Drunkguy

we have roberto with stories on his "front page" we have SBR with Royal complaints posted we have EOG with 100 threads on the topic All the grandstanding and backstabbing is not helping anyone It is obvious that you cannot mediate these complaints whatsoever. Royal does not want to work with you (and why would they, considering all the shenanigans pulled in the past) If you are truly trying to get these guys paid, turn it over to MW, OGD, anyone else that might be able to clear things up and get both sides of the story. Hell, if you are right maybe one of the sites that accepts advertising will change their mind based on their investigation But to not do so implies that you are using this only for your own benefit (and ego) with no regard for getting people paid. You are not acting in the best interests of the players you claim to represent Get over yourselves already.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:30 AM

Major

DG, I have asked all around for anyone to contact myself, Will at Sportscrew or Peep at OGD. I have not been contacted by one person. Not one. Right now I can get anyone paid who is legitimately owed. Does it seem strange that nobody is contacting anyone that can get them paid? Not one person.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:31 AM

Major

Roberto, if the player is owed, he will get paid, just like usual. Nothing different. You guys really have to re-evaluate what it is you are doing. Royal could go under tomorrow. But, I have never seen a book survive so much made up abuse... all for showmanship. IMO it aint right. SBR has been declaring that Royal is closing for nearly 3 years now. Three years. Is there not a point in time where you feel like an idiot...5 years...10 years? Does "the little boy who cried wolf" story come to mind? I know one thing. These made up and over inflated stories about slow pays have to end. It is truly out of control. Like I sad, I have not been contacted, as far as I know Peep has not been and neither has Will. I find it strange, as does anyone else with a head on their shoulders.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:32 AM

Drunkguy

It's sad. If there is a legitimate problem, the average forum poster will never be able to seperate it from all the bullshit. That is what worries me. Royal could go down. Any book could go down. But all us players have to go on is what the "watchdogs" tell us. That trust is being abused in the name of personal agendas, time after time.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:32 AM

Peep

I did have one person contact me on behalf of a player, I turned it over to Tim who talked to Richard. Richard got back to the guy. This was a week ago. I asked the person to get in touch with me again if things do not progress smoothly. That is the last I have heard of it. And this is the only Royal complaint I have been asked to deal with in the last five months......

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:33 AM

jwunderdog

They paid me last week in the 4 figure range in 24 hours.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:34 AM

Major

These runs on the bank every 7 weeks cant be very good for any business. Reminds me of when Cascade was closing the next day......for 3 years. Sites should do some due diligence on these complaints before just posting them. Unfortunately, that isnt going to happen any time soon due to the "look at me ....look at me....I am great" syndrome that some of these sites have. Thanks for the update Peep. I find it very very strange that nobody contacts us.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:35 AM

Uncle B

I don't think it's strange at all..I think the intentions are clear, and the people transparent. Why would Royal be putting so much time and effort into getting Royal Poker up and running, if they were planning on skipping out? They wouldn't. We have a disgruntled former employee with a grudge.. An obvious agenda at work here, has been for quite awhile. On another note...For a guy who likes to pretend to give a shit about the players, roberto sure is jumping through hoops to get those same players depositing into brand new, unknown shops.... Why is that?

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:35 AM

Spidermonkey

I have been playing at royal for a few years, and have had quite a few withdrawls, have there been issues where I had to call once or twice to remind them? Yes. Could they handle neteller withdrawls faster/without having to call? Yes. But I agree DG, these constant attacks are getting pretty stupid.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:36 AM

marc

ANother problem royal has is taht they have too mnay forum players. If thier neteller is dry one day, someone will come running to the forums saying that royal couldn't pay him. Meanwhile you have other books like las palmas, whose neteller can be dry for a few days and no one says a word

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 07:39 AM

B4L

t's nice to know that anyone with an agenda or grudge can go to EOG and post some bullshit story, followed by the usual peanut gallery chattering in the background of "shit book shit book shit book", and they'll leave it up and treat it as gospel without bothering to verify it. It could be complete BS slander posted by someone who has already been caught lying but the damage is done regardless. I thought Shrink started EOG to spread the truth and to be above all the agenda ridden scummery that this business is rife with, but the reality looks like more of the same old bullshit.

**JoshW** · 12-01-05, 09:13 AM

Royal could go under tomorrow. But, I have never seen a book survive so much made up abuse... all for showmanship.

Peep admits that slow pays are (or at least were) part of their business model. If a players ask for a check or bank wire it may or not be sent. How that is made up I don't understand. Long time players who support Royal also admit that they don't have their bankwires and check payouts under control and that it is hurting them.

Royal has paid me quickly with Neteller, but I had periods over the last year were I had to go to the forums several times in order to get Royal to pay me. Aside from books that ended up going under, I think Royal is the only book I have had to do this for so it isn't like I take lightly to posting to get paid.

Posting that an owner at Royal has a history of stealing millions from players is also not made up. I do not deny that there may be some posturing around the Royal issue from both sides (and I don't like it, better to stick to facts). But the "everything is fine at Royal crowd" has a harder time because there are actual issues and risks at Royal. I hope they go on to become one of the most solid books in the industry, but just because they are paying at the moment doesn't mean that serious warning signs can't be talked about and considered.

From MW in the past warnings have been given about Rio, Cascade, and even Hollywood. In all of those cases there were fewer warning signs and complaints than Royal. So for others to say that a cautious even negative perspective on Royal isn't called for I don't quite understand.

**Razz** · 12-01-05, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by lakerfan

I hope they go on to become one of the most solid books in the industry.

I hope they shrivel up and die. The fact that Royal even receives any kind of attention from SBR is giving them more than they deserve.

**Sota30** · 12-01-05, 09:51 AM

Where do those post come from? I would love to talk to this Major, I have no interest in trying to "cry wolf" or shut Royal down, I simply want my money that they have been stalling on for almost 5 weeks now. Fortunately, I found this site and have had a great deal of help from Bill at SBR or I am fairly certain that I would not be paid. But, it sounds like I need to let these guys know about my case, and let them investigate for me and tell me that it is perfectly fine and ok for a sportsbook to stall a payment to a player for weeks and possibly months at a time, when they clearly state that payouts are made within 7 business days. I have a friend who uses Royal who has the exact same circumstances, so how do I get a hold of this Major guy to let him know this?

**docdekay** · 12-01-05, 10:03 AM

I hope they shrivel up and die. The fact that Royal even receives any kind of attention from SBR is giving them more than they deserve.

You never wish ill on other people's money or health.
Pretty classless of you, razzy.

**natrass** · 12-01-05, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by docdekay

You never wish ill on other people's money or health.
Pretty classless of you, razzy.

Erm ... I think he was talking about them as a business.

Bit touchy today?

**Razz** · 12-01-05, 10:16 AM

Originally posted by docdekay

You never wish ill on other people's money or health.
Pretty classless of you, razzy.

As Natrass said, I meant as a business. But, I will break one of your rules and wish ill on their money that was gained my deceitful (at best) means.

**docdekay** · 12-01-05, 10:17 AM

Touchy? Never.
Tightly wound? Absolutely.

If they "shrivel up and die" as Razzy so eloquently put it, they would take all of their post up with them. Its somewhat analagous to wishing for a passenger airliner to crash because of your dislike for Continental.

Duh.

**natrass** · 12-01-05, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by docdekay

Its somewhat analagous to wishing for a passenger airliner to crash because of your dislike for Continental.

Duh.

Erm ... no its not ... how many orphans and widows would result from BetRoyal doing the decent thing compared to an airliner crashing?

So, its not remotely analogous.

Erm .. you do know BetRoyal is a business and not a real person?

Duh.

**Razz** · 12-01-05, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by natrass

Originally posted by docdekay

Its somewhat analagous to wishing for a passenger airliner to crash because of your dislike for Continental.

Duh.

Erm ... no its not ... how many orphans and widows would result from BetRoyal doing the decent thing compared to an airliner crashing?

So, its not remotely analogous.

Erm .. you do know BetRoyal is a business and not a real person?

Duh.

This post made my day.

JC · 12-01-05, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Sota30

Where do those post come from? I would love to talk to this Major, I have no interest in trying to "cry wolf" or shut Royal down, I simply want my money that they have been stalling on for almost 5 weeks now. Fortunately, I found this site and have had a great deal of help from Bill at SBR or I am fairly certain that I would not be paid. But, it sounds like I need to let these guys know about my case, and let them investigate for me and tell me that it is perfectly fine and ok for a sportsbook to stall a payment to a player for weeks and possibly months at a time, when they clearly state that payouts are made within 7 business days. I have a friend who uses Royal who has the exact same circumstances, so how do I get a hold of this Major guy to let him know this?

It's called MajorWager.com. You should go there and post in the mess hall. Royal is an advertiser. If you are legit (which I believe you are) you have nothing to fear.

**slash** · 12-01-05, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by JC

It's called MajorWager.com. You should go there and post in the mess hall. Royal is an advertiser. If you are legit (which I believe you are) you have nothing to fear.

That's not correct JC. He will surely be called a low life scammer anyway, no matter how legit he is.

**SBR_John** · 12-01-05, 12:19 PM

Raiders find me one person defending Royal that is NOT on Tej's payroll... end of story.

Major, uncle, peep, mvbski, drunkguy are ALL on the take from Tej/Royal.

They are not "saying different things than SBR", they are simply doing the job Tej pays them to do. They try to minimize the slow pays and spin the slow pays to blame the sights that allow them to be reported.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 12:19 PM

Lakerfan- You are playing with Royal which leaves me to believe that you feel that your money is safe although that there may be delays in getting paid.

Now you have others that are telling blantant lies about Royal here at SBR. David1 is a known scammer that accused Royal of altering tapes and more than one website backed his claim. Finally it came out that David1 was lying the whole time.

Some of the posts on this board are made by David1. Then you have truthteller and Royalbasher that have a Royal beeper and reply to every Royal post no matter when or what forum.
Didn't one of the two of them steal software from Royal?

Royal may not be the best book in the world but they are everyone's favorite whipping boy. Most of the stories are untrue or greatly fabricated. That's why it's becoming tough for any to believe those that have a true problem.

I have nothing against SBR in any way but they have had a problem with Royal for years now. For Royal I think it's best for players to go to a site where Royal is an advertiser and they will weed out the liars and help those in need immediately.

**raiders72001** · 12-01-05, 12:22 PM

Raiders find me one person defending Royal that is NOT on Tej's payroll.

For some reason there are few problems at sites where Royal is an advertiser. If Royal where to go down I think that the credibility of these sites would be greatly hurt because of all the attention that Royal has received.

**Bill Dozer** · 12-01-05, 12:50 PM

Royal isn't stupid. They have a list of posters and know who to pay first. Roberto was there when Tej and Kevin made the list and can verify. The less contact you have with a website, the likelier you are to have a problem. Mgt. wouldn't deny that fact although they may phrase it differently. This book is responsible for quite a few first time posters.

**drunkguy** · 12-01-05, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Raiders find me one person defending Royal that is NOT on Tej's payroll... end of story.

Major, uncle, peep, mvbski, drunkguy are ALL on the take from Tej/Royal.

They are not "saying different things than SBR", they are simply doing the job Tej pays them to do. They try to minimize the slow pays and spin the slow pays to blame the sights that allow them to be reported.

John, this is the kind of stuff that makes you look stupid

I am not "on Royal's payroll". you know this statement is misleading, but you use it anyway because it fits your purpose. I have zero contact with Royal. Talked to richard maybe 6 months ago about a slow pay and that was the last. Hell, I have had more bad than good to say about them on the forums.

And I am certainly not "defending" Royal. What I am doing is trying to get you idiots to leave your agendas on the side and get back to reporting hard facts only.

you have been telling us Royal is going down for years. Are you right this time? Maybe

But that would truly be a shame, because you have desensitized everyone to the warnings by crying wolf so much. If anything, you have made the situation a lot worse if they do go down, because people are taking these warnings a lot less seriously now.

Your warnings and predictions are right about 50% of the time, not even enough to overcome the vig.

And there's nothing wrong with that. This is a tough industry with private companies, and you are uncovering what you can.

But please stop with the dramatics. A book may be in trouble, it may not be. If you KNOW, then fine, please tell everyone. But a lot of this ends up being hearsay and rumor and opinion, which puts everyone in the tough position of trying to figure out who is right and who is not.

And that ends up hurting everyone

P.S. Las Palmas has been "slowpaying" all week, no mention of that on your page. You might want to look into it, it has been a rough year for some books.

**SBR_John** · 12-01-05, 01:08 PM

Drunkguy
1st I have not been saying for "years" they are going down. This time in 03 Roberto had just pulled them out of a summer slow pay and they had 5 upgrades and were at B- on SBR.

You Tej guys like to write your own history.

Stupid is as stupid does..is that the way that goes? Only guys working where Tej advertises are defending royal. PERIOD. And you do work where Tej advertises, yes?

There are a lot of books that run out of Neteller funds from time time. Thats a wee bit different than taking 58 days to pay a fellow. You do see a difference I hope.

**Truthteller** · 12-01-05, 01:16 PM

Let's say these players who claim a slow/no pay from Royal are all lying. That doesn't change the fact that Tej Kohli is the owner.

How can you even start to defend or recommend a book that this crook owns?

There is no disputing who owns Royal. That's a FACT!

**Mudcat** · 12-01-05, 03:44 PM

This thread has given me my good laugh of the day anyway.

I just can't help but picture some dude hunched over his computer - all serious - thinking, Aha! I'll post some pro-Royal comments from The Major and then I'll really be doing something!

:an_roll_l

Maybe for your next display of investigative skillz, you can dazzle the forum by digging up some pro-Big-Mac comments from Ronald McDonald.

:an_roll_l

**SBR_John** · 12-01-05, 06:46 PM

I'm not sure but I have never seen major or drunkguy or any of the other royal employees defend tej. He is never-ever mentioned. He is like the guy in Henry Potter. You know, they can not mention his name. I want one to just fess up. Just have one come in the open and say it: I am the Major and I take money from tej. What are they ashamed of?

**Brick Tamland** · 12-01-05, 09:50 PM

Henry Potter lol. I believe the kids name is Larry.

**mw11111** · 12-02-05, 11:55 AM

I posted a message on here last week about ROYAL slow paying me. I have since recieved my check for 1500. I have never had a problem with royal. I received my money as promised. I had to wait a little longer than promised. 2 weeks instead of 7-10 days. I figure as long as I received my money.
I never knew there was a problem at Royal until I read the treads on here. I was surprised. then a bit worried about getting my money. Even if my money isnt a significant amount I was still a little concerned.
I talked to another owner of a different forum. I was explaining the problem to him. He told me to give him the name of the book and he would look into it for me.
Well I gave him the name. He told me to get my money out as fast as possible and to use another book. He said he was stiffed by ROYAL for advertising. I contacted him later that day to let him know I received a voice mail concerning my money that it was enroute. I know ROYAL took this upon themselves to pay me since the owner of the other forum never contacted them.
I presonally feel confortable with ROYAL. I will continue to use them but keep my account balance to minimum.

negative news is never good for any business.

**drunkguy** · 12-02-05, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Only guys working where Tej advertises are defending royal. PERIOD. And you do work where Tej advertises, yes?

There are a lot of books that run out of Neteller funds from time time. Thats a wee bit different than taking 58 days to pay a fellow. You do see a difference I hope.

So Roberto seems to be saying Royal is OK. He says they have money in Neteller and he upgraded them from a 2 to a 5 on his scale

so does he work for Royal?

who to believe now?

you guys keep jerking posters around on this shit. It is a shame.