Does SBR's fukkin Casino Play with 52 fukkin Cards?

1st and Ten · 12-24-09, 03:36 AM

I think that's BS....its a random generator no?

Nickelicious · 12-24-09, 03:41 AM

Apparently it randomly generates from more than one deck, despite the fact that it is supposed to be a single-deck game!

paste_me · 12-24-09, 03:51 AM

i feel so cheated with the online black jack! there is no way that shit is not rigged,every time i increase the bet amount, I lose...! i have never walked away positive!!!

Nickelicious · 12-24-09, 04:15 AM

About a year ago, I used to play a shitload of online blackjack for real money. I made 4 grand in one night and thought it was easy pickings. If only I had never gone back to it. But I did, and over time I gave back all of that 4 grand and plenty more. One night I was playing until 4 AM and had lost a ton of cash and got so frustrated because I knew the game was rigged. "This is insane," I thought. "I should play blackjack in a real casino instead of throwing my dough away on this crap!"

Since I live in Memphis, real casino blackjack is just a 40 minute drive away in Tunica, Mississippi, so I jumped into my truck at 4 AM and drove down to the casinos in Tunica, thinking to myself, "Fukin ass online blackjack shit, I'll go down and get some real odds at a real casino!"

I walked into the Sheraton casino and sat myself down at a $5 table. "Now we're talkin!" I thought. "Real cards dealt by a real dealer with real odds!"

It took me about 30 minutes to lose the $80 I had in my wallet. I got one shitty hand after another and the dealer kept coming up with brilliant hits to win the hands. I got up from the table and drove back to Memphis, feeling like my life had degenerated into an endless downward spiral of gambling.

That's when I pretty much swore off card games. I'm not good enough to win them in real life or online, at least not consistently. Sports betting has been much kinder to me.

But even after admitting this, I still know bullshit when I see it, and the single-deck blackjack at SBR's casino is definitely bullshit!

wtf · 12-24-09, 04:29 AM

they pull the same scam in casinos in asia

they Pull out the tens and face cards

huge advantage to the house

what you going to do? call the corrupt police?

robmpink · 12-24-09, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

It's late, I'm drinking and what the fuk, let's hit the casino to toss away 19 points. Like who cares, right? The entertainment value alone is worth the stinkin' points.

I like single-deck blackjack, but it has always annoyed me that the SBR casino doesn't seem to play with a single deck when it comes to single-deck blackjack.

Can anyone explain to me how many face cards and tens are in a single deck? I thought there were 16 faces and tens in deck of cards, but the casino doesn't seem to recognize this fact. I played through my first deck and 21 faces and tens showed up in that first deck! That's five more than there should be!

So I play through four more "single" decks and there are 16, 15, 18 and 22 faces and tens in the deck. How is this possible? 260 cards in five single decks and I see 92 faces and tens when there should only be 80. Anyone else notice this phenomenon?

if u are playing single deck, maybe it is a single deck for that game only. I haven't played bj much on the dgs but i don't recall it saying it would reshuffle.

So each game u will be playing with the single deck. The next game starts new using a new single deck.

Maybe I am wrong here.

20Four7 · 12-24-09, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by robmpink

if u are playing single deck, maybe it is a single deck for that game only. I haven't played bj much on the dgs but i don't recall it saying it would reshuffle.

So each game u will be playing with the single deck. The next game starts new using a new single deck.

Maybe I am wrong here.

my understanding is your correct. Every play starts with a "fresh" single deck reshuffling after each hand.

Nickelicious · 12-24-09, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by robmpink

So each game u will be playing with the single deck. The next game starts new using a new single deck.

Maybe I am wrong here.

You might be right, rob. But that certainly is NOT the way it is played in any real casino. The single deck is played out from the first card to the last for multiple games (with whatever hands might be at the table) and THEN reshuffled for the next set of games played with that single deck. I'm pretty sure that is the way the online games are supposed to be played as well.

If not, I sure as hell would want to know about it.

LLXC · 12-24-09, 05:55 AM

At most casinos they reshuffle much earlier to throw off card counters.

tltaylor89 · 12-24-09, 07:47 AM

I had to have my sir casino closed you can't win their ever

Nickelicious · 12-24-09, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by LLXC

At most casinos they reshuffle much earlier to throw off card counters.

Now that you mention it, LLXC, of course you are right. The dealer might play 35 or 40 cards max at a single deck table before a reshuffle. I guess the software for single deck blackjack is doing the same thing, which prevents card counting.

Which means there is zero advantage to playing single deck online, and you pay a penalty with payouts, so I won't bother playing it again. Next time I want to throw my points away, I'll just do it at the six-deck table.

keyboarding · 12-24-09, 01:22 PM

Just lost 100 straight points on single deck. Dealer never busted on a 2, 3, or 4, always outdrawing my 17 or 18.

I've also stopped doubling down on 10s and 11s. It only hits when I don't double down, so I'd rather save my money.

I'm broke now, so who gives a fukk. Still really, really annoying.

odtw524 · 12-24-09, 01:40 PM

the casino is terrible

lakerboy · 12-24-09, 01:46 PM

try the roulette. i was on red the other night and it hit 9 straight blacks

Sam Odom · 12-24-09, 01:47 PM

Casino has only 3-Aces , 3-Kings , 3-Queens , 3-Jacks and 3-Tens yet has 10-Fives

jgray · 12-24-09, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

Now that you mention it, LLXC, of course you are right. The dealer might play 35 or 40 cards max at a single deck table before a reshuffle. I guess the software for single deck blackjack is doing the same thing, which prevents card counting. Which means there is zero advantage to playing single deck online, and you pay a penalty with payouts, so I won't bother playing it again. Next time I want to throw my points away, I'll just do it at the six-deck table.

To the extent I play Black Jack in the SBR casino I always assume I'm going to lose. But if I'm going to lose, maybe I should play the 6 deck as you say. Might extend the entertainment value a little longer...

jgray · 12-24-09, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

Casino has only 3-Aces , 3-Kings , 3-Queens , 3-Jacks and 3-Tens yet has 10-Fives

Unless the dealer needs a 5th ace. Well, then....

Nickelicious · 12-27-09, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

Now that you mention it, LLXC, of course you are right. The dealer might play 35 or 40 cards max at a single deck table before a reshuffle. I guess the software for single deck blackjack is doing the same thing, which prevents card counting.

Okay, so I after placing almost all my points on sports bets in the SBR Sportsbook, I took 3 points into the SBR casino and played single-deck blackjack again. This time I played as if there would be a reshuffle after 35 or 40 cards being played. I played 1 point per bet and I was just counting face cards and 10s from the very beginning of play.

After the first 31 cards dealt, the dealer had already dished out 15 faces and 10s. So there are still 21 cards left in the deck, but there should only be ONE face card left. I figure with 21 cards left in a two-man game, it is still too early for a reshuffle. The next hand played 7 cards and two more faces show up! That's 17 face cards in 38 cards!

Okay, so maybe there was a reshuffle after 31 cards. MAYBE. So I keep playing and counting cards. After 65 cards had been dealt, there were 32 faces and 10s dealt. Once again, we hit the limit on face cards in two decks. So guess how many face cards and 10s showed up in the next 19 cards dealt? ELEVEN FUKKIN FACES and 10s!

43 face cards and 10s were dealt in 84 cards! Over 50% of the cards dealt were faces and 10s! When the average should be about 31%!

And needless to say, after surviving over a dozen hands with my 3 points, I lost the last five hands dealt to me!

The game is not just rigged, people. It is breaking the rules of the game!

frostno98 · 12-27-09, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by keyboarding

Just lost 100 straight points on single deck. Dealer never busted on a 2, 3, or 4, always outdrawing my 17 or 18.

I've also stopped doubling down on 10s and 11s. It only hits when I don't double down, so I'd rather save my money.

I'm broke now, so who gives a fukk. Still really, really annoying.

Tell me about it. I just blew $400 dollars worth of freeplay money in less than 10 minutes at Intertops a week ago. Decided to test my luck again by using $60 dollars of my own money only to lose 8 hands in a row by 1 points. Always outdrawing me by a hair. This sh1t never ever happens in a real casino.

eidolon · 12-27-09, 02:13 AM

I demand a refund of the 500 points I have lost! I'm about to just save up 1000 points (or ppl can let me borrow for the testing), and just play 1 point per hand, and then number crunch after every 1000 hands. Odds on every card; odds on when certain cards come up...everything. Time to make this BS stop with some proof.

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Nickelicious · 12-27-09, 02:21 AM

Obviously, SBR is not alone in running this software. And we all know it IS possible to go on a winning run. But if all internet casino blackjack sites are breaking the rules of the game like SBR's, then this should be just as big a scandal as the cheating poker sites were in the past. In countries where it is legal to play online blackjack, the cheating sites should be brought up on charges....

Chi_archie · 12-27-09, 02:23 AM

seems unfair, but unless sbr john gets his way. we'll never know

williams22 · 12-27-09, 03:04 AM

Online casinos reshuffle after every hand. If they didn't you could just count cards all day long make about a 1-2% return consistently.

The advantage gained in Blackjack comes from past results impacting the future. When you reshuffle after every hand, you lose this advantage and therefore will always be playing against a house edge of roughly .5% using basic strategy.

rake922 · 12-27-09, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by lakerboy

try the roulette. i was on red the other night and it hit 9 straight blacks

probability of that is 60% of the time online

Chi_archie · 12-27-09, 03:10 AM

great point will

Chi_archie · 12-27-09, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by rake922

probability of that is 60% of the time online

ha

surely you jest

SBR John would look into this otherwise

Nickelicious · 12-27-09, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by williams22

Online casinos reshuffle after every hand. If they didn't you could just count cards all day long make about a 1-2% return consistently.

The advantage gained in Blackjack comes from past results impacting the future. When you reshuffle after every hand, you lose this advantage and therefore will always be playing against a house edge of roughly .5% using basic strategy.

If online casinos reshuffle after every hand, then what is the difference between a single-deck game and a 6-deck game? With five or six cards played on average in a two-man game, there would be almost no difference in outcomes, yet the single-deck game reduces blackjack payouts significantly.

Of course, you are right that the advantage gained in blackjack comes from past results impacting future results. If past results are removed from the equation (which does NOT happen in a real casino), then it's not really blackjack anymore.

williams22 · 12-27-09, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

If online casinos reshuffle after every hand, then what is the difference between a single-deck game and a 6-deck game? With five or six cards played on average in a two-man game, there would be almost no difference in outcomes, yet the single-deck game reduces blackjack payouts significantly.

Of course, you are right that the advantage gained in blackjack comes from past results impacting future results. If past results are removed from the equation (which does NOT happen in a real casino), then it's not really blackjack anymore.

Well, it's certainly still blackjack, it's just not beatable anymore. Many casinos outside of Vegas have switched to automatic constant shufflers which reshuffle after every hand. However, they have found that it deters those who believe they can count and actually can't, and they lose business. A few places I've played at in the Northeast and Canada once had these machines and have since removed them.

I'm not positive why the BJ payout is different for the single deck, would have to look in to that.

BGS 9.5 · 12-27-09, 12:01 PM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

If online casinos reshuffle after every hand, then what is the difference between a single-deck game and a 6-deck game? With five or six cards played on average in a two-man game, there would be almost no difference in outcomes, yet the single-deck game reduces blackjack payouts significantly.

Of course, you are right that the advantage gained in blackjack comes from past results impacting future results. If past results are removed from the equation (which does NOT happen in a real casino), then it's not really blackjack anymore.

Good post, I was thinking the same thing.

StraitShooter · 12-27-09, 12:10 PM

you guys need to realize SBR is inundated with points ghost

every punk out there has to have 3-4 ghost

I look at all the handles that post..look in the first post of the day for example..I think maybe 20% of this forum has handles that actually post with a serious consistency of valid thoughts and opinions

The SBR book is damn sure rigged..you cannot and will not beat it

You can sit down in front of the slots machines for 20 days in a row with 30 points

you will lose those 30 points before you get to 60..20 times out of 20

this is not gambling..it is points theft..but it is an essential SBR anti virus for the ghost invasion

Stay outta the casino!