Justin (or anyone who knows blackjack), is the SBR blackjack game square?

DrStale · 12-19-09, 03:49 AM

John you're going to get the axe asking questions like this.

tltaylor89 · 12-19-09, 03:55 AM

In my opinion the SBR casino version is sharp any card game that uses a Random Number Generator is sharp ive noticed that the Dealer produces 20-21 at a 5-1 rate.

SBR_John · 12-19-09, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by DrStale

John you're going to get the axe asking questions like this.

Yea it seems I ask a lot more questions than I get answers. Obviously SBR does not produce the casino software. This same suite of games is used by bookmaker, 5dimes, betjamaica and many others. The random generators that produce cards, dice rolls, slot pulls, ect can not be altered. However, rules and payouts can. The SBR casino needs to have the most favorable rules and payouts.

clover12346 · 12-19-09, 04:03 AM

Anyone that knows online is any of this fair

tltaylor89 · 12-19-09, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Yea it seems I ask a lot more questions than I get answers. Obviously SBR does not produce the casino software. This same suite of games is used by bookmaker, 5dimes, betjamaica and many others. The random generators that produce cards, dice rolls, slot pulls, ect can not be altered. However, rules and payouts can. The SBR casino needs to have the most favorable rules and payouts.

Stop spewing BS John the house rake at the SBR book is huge if you were going to do that then I wouldent be out of 700 points

Shortstop · 12-19-09, 04:21 AM

Stay away from the SBR Casino.

SBR_John · 12-19-09, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

Stop spewing BS John the house rake at the SBR book is huge if you were going to do that then I wouldent be out of 700 points

I hear ya. I'm getting whacked in there too. I'm going to find out about the set up and payouts. I mean seriously SBR should have the fairest games on the net. These are loyalty points for Gods sake, loosen the friggin games up already!

Dark Horse · 12-19-09, 04:25 AM

While you're at it, how about no juice bets in the sportsbook? Instead of -110 lines? Zero reason to play there now.

tltaylor89 · 12-19-09, 04:26 AM

I think the program learns how you play and adjusts accordingly (SBR needs to have more points shootouts im losing my ass over here.)

Shortstop · 12-19-09, 04:27 AM

Great suggestion Dark Horse!

tltaylor89 · 12-19-09, 04:30 AM

yep SBR Book has really become Bodog but with the virtual points full juice and no halftime and quarter bets really keeps you going back to Mexi Stallion which will soon be the first points millionaire .

Immortality · 12-19-09, 05:05 AM

SBR it is set for highly rigged.

Grandmaster B · 12-19-09, 05:17 AM

Originally posted by tltaylor89

Stop spewing BS John the house rake at the SBR book is huge if you were going to do that then I wouldent be out of 700 points

SBR_John · 12-19-09, 09:17 AM

The sportsbook will evolve. SBR has a learning curve there and the right people to get into place and trained. There will be half point specials and low juice and other things. I will focus on the casino for now including a bump here.

Boner_18 · 12-19-09, 10:18 AM

SBR Book is an A+ option. Must have.

compaqDikk · 12-19-09, 11:21 AM

need to be able to double for less. get the no funds msg when i double i want to double on a 5 doller bet and only have .50 cents i want to unload

i also want to be able to reup my balance via paypal

TodaysAction · 12-19-09, 12:59 PM

Originally posted by SBR_John

The sportsbook will evolve. SBR has a learning curve there and the right people to get into place and trained. There will be half point specials and low juice and other things. I will focus on the casino for now including a bump here.

The sports book needs to add the following:
* team totals game (all sports)
* quarter wagering (1Q, 2Q, 3Q, 4Q)
* half time wagering (1h, 2H)
* period wagering (1P, 2P, 3P)
* Live/In progress action
* Allow at least a TWO POINT BUY (all sports, non-teaser wagers) UP/DOWN
* Add spread/puck-line to the mix for N.H.L.

I know, it's a work in progress and they can only do so much at a time but it's be nice to see all the above changes in place by January 1, 2010.

nobs · 12-19-09, 01:26 PM

Random Number Generator, my arse.

When the dealer gets a Blackjack and its down card is an ace, the ace is dealt face up, although it should be face down. The fact that the dealer is getting a BJ is known by the system even before both cards are dealt.

That, and the fact that when I have bet 25 or more on one hand, I have lost over 90% of the time.

And its amazing to me, how when the dealer flips up a 6 it busts maybe 10% of the time, if that.

Noone will ever convince me these games cant be set to a certain % payout like slot machines are, in fact I know they can be.

I have played in too many online casinos, and these are no where near as "random" as they would like everyone to believe.

Grux · 12-19-09, 01:28 PM

If you play enough, you can almost guess the next card that is coming out LOL. I have taken a beating in black jack.

nobs · 12-19-09, 01:29 PM

Yeah if I bet 100 points and I have 20 and the dealer has 16, I know for a fact what the next card will be.

spurginobili · 12-19-09, 01:45 PM

The only thing random about the casino is the amount of time it takes to bury you.

Justin7 · 12-19-09, 05:48 PM

I tested it earlier. While a good game for a gambler (very close to 0% house edge with perfect play), I couldn't find a way to beat it.

Bread · 12-19-09, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

While you're at it, how about no juice bets in the sportsbook? Instead of -110 lines? Zero reason to play there now.

Great post. I mean, why not? Just gaining back the points you gave away in the first place.

SBR_John · 12-20-09, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

I tested it earlier. While a good game for a gambler (very close to 0% house edge with perfect play), I couldn't find a way to beat it.

Are there any more settings SBR could make to give the players more of an edge? A rule change like surrender after 3 cards or something, anything?? There should be a rather simple way(s) to validate the random number generator. Simply look at a million hands and the distribution of each card for that sample. Hopefully we could do both; further tweak the game even if it was to have a theoretical hold that is minus and publish the results from testing the RNG.

Justin7 · 12-20-09, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

Are there any more settings SBR could make to give the players more of an edge? A rule change like surrender after 3 cards or something, anything?? There should be a rather simple way(s) to validate the random number generator. Simply look at a million hands and the distribution of each card for that sample. Hopefully we could do both; further tweak the game even if it was to have a theoretical hold that is minus and publish the results from testing the RNG.

Instead of shuffling after every hand, play 6 or 7 rounds before the shuffle.

SBR_John · 12-20-09, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

Instead of shuffling after every hand, play 6 or 7 rounds before the shuffle.

Do you know if the software allows that??? Plus, for us non counters I do not think this will change the % hold? We can make that change but also what else can be done? Does the software allow flexibility? Can A,A splits be allowed to hit after the first card? Can surrender be changed to allow surrenders when the dealer has an A? There has to be quite a few friendly changes we could make.

Nickelicious · 12-20-09, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I hear ya. I'm getting whacked in there too. I'm going to find out about the set up and payouts. I mean seriously SBR should have the fairest games on the net. These are loyalty points for Gods sake, loosen the friggin games up already!

This has been my point from day one of the casino opening. And it goes for the sportsbook as well. Most people here will lose their points even if the casino set up was the best in the online industry and the sportsbook had zero vig.

Besides Mex, I don't see anyone getting rich on points around here. And after several months of the promotional points system with thousands of members, there should be a helluva lot more success stories than just three or four.

SBR_John · 12-20-09, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Nickelicious

This has been my point from day one of the casino opening. And it goes for the sportsbook as well. Most people here will lose their points even if the casino set up was the best in the online industry and the sportsbook had zero vig.

Besides Mex, I don't see anyone getting rich on points around here. And after several months of the promotional points system with thousands of members, there should be a helluva lot more success stories than just three or four.

I'm on and will stay on it. It really pissed me off when I saw that a royal on video poker paid 200-1. I got better chance winning playing in JJ Golds 3 card monty game than in this ultra high rape err rake casino. The SBR guys do not want to make any mistakes but now they are acting way to cautious. Yes, make the games the fairest on the net. That should be the starting point.

The sportsbook will take time. SBR is training guys and had a lot of losing days in the book. A lot of it is angle shooters catching games that are left up a little late. Once the guys get good at running the book there will be low juice and true odds parlays and teasers and bonus nights and a lot of other things.

yisman · 12-20-09, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by SBR_John

I hear ya. I'm getting whacked in there too. I'm going to find out about the set up and payouts. I mean seriously SBR should have the fairest games on the net. These are loyalty points for Gods sake, loosen the friggin games up already!

I'm with you on that one. Loosen it up a little so I can play.

blueghost · 12-20-09, 11:16 AM

agree with nobs and Grux if you doubledown on a 11 against a 6 you will certainly get a rag card and the dealer will get a 5 and a 10 almost every time its impossible to stay on a good run no matter what type of game you play i tried all kinds of different money management against it [same bet] [chase] it dont matter best way to win is win a little if you can leave restart later if not it will grind you downduh

Justin7 · 12-20-09, 12:57 PM

You could set Blackjacks to pay 2:1. This would make the game give the player about a 2% edge with basic strategy. Early surrender would make the game small +EV. How much do you want to give away?

onthewhat · 12-20-09, 01:18 PM

SBR John I don't think SBR wants to give out points, I think the pizza's are draining their bank account

They lowered the points from 15 to every 50 posts, to 7 per day, and now only 6 per day.

Then they open a casino and sportsbook to try to win them back, and have -EV games and 20 cent sportsbook lines.

Can you get the hint?

SBR_John · 12-21-09, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

You could set Blackjacks to pay 2:1. This would make the game give the player about a 2% edge with basic strategy. Early surrender would make the game small +EV. How much do you want to give away?

Lets start with tweaking the surrender rules.

Onner,
As I posted earlier, it will take the sportsbook a while. They are kind of difficult to run with the huge schedules, grading, time changes, ect. Once running the book is mastered there will be some player preferences added.

Yes you are probably right on the points. The long term plan is solid.

WhatAboutMeBitch · 03-03-10, 01:13 AM

unfair. house wins when it shows a face card way way way too much. it seems like way more than half the time it has another face card or ten in this situation. its amazing