A lot of books are looking shaky,now !

[Doug]

Of course Sportsbook.com, and the whole large group of sisters.

Bodog looks bad,IMO

Wagerweb ( and sisters), have a lot of issues

Oddsmaker

SIA

Betmania, looks like a goner

Superior ( Empire)

probably a lot of others too

There will be a lot less books soon,IMO !

[Mark Shark]

I agree. I have money in only 3 books now compared to 5 or 6 a few months ago. I don't have any confidence anymore that my money is safe. Pinn,Match & Canbet are the only books I trust at the moment. I still have 15k in Linesmaker that I am trying to get out.

[SBR_John]

Those you mentioned except Bodog and SIA are bottom dwellers. Well, Wagerweb is not.

There have always been bottom dwellers.

One also needs to not mistake a book with processing problems as a book with financial problems. A book like Sportsbook.com, yes they are in 3 month slow pay mode but the ownership of Sportsbook.com could buy every A+ book out there and still have a $100 million+ leftover.

[Doug]

I don't know who owns Sportsbook, weren't they sold for $1 ?

Reputation is ruined, for sure !

CRIS group does everything possible to make you quit playing there.

Incompetent management ( no processors) is getting old as an excuse.

There are only really 3 companies left, for Americans, IMO :

Greek/ Jam
WSEX/ MB
5D

[betplom]

SIA

Since SIA has added a new e-check processor AND Instadebit I get my payouts same day after using a credit card to fund my account.

No problems here from Sports Interaction.

[BigBollocks]

As usual you're dead on the money Doug. I hope more people are able to read this thread prior to starting up accounts...

[Doug]

Since SIA has added a new e-check processor AND Instadebit I get my payouts same day after using a credit card to fund my account.

No problems here from Sports Interaction.

I don't like this BS: If SIA wants to close the account... OK, but do it right !

06.15.2007 (06:13 PM CST)

SportsInteraction (SBR rating C-) deletes five months of player's wagering activity; states account was supposed to be closed in October 2006. SIA says the player was notified via email on October 8th that his "earnings with us have now exceeded the allowable income on an account" and that his account was closed. The player continued to wager until the end of March, five months after SIA claims they intended to terminate the relationship. The player did not receive his first withdrawal until April 2007. SBR is speaking to SIA management regarding voided wagers that resulted in approximately $15,000 in winnings.

[SBR_John]

Well, SIA has always been heavy handed in disputes. They did not get to be C- for being Pinnacle like. But not a bad book for most players but very heavy handed on self-induced angle shooters.

Doug I agree with your top books...for now. But we are in a period where a book will have a good run with a processor and then have to scramble when that processor drops them. Its a fluid situation. Guys like Bill Dozer are working day and night to stay in a loop that never actually loops without a detour. We are all hopeful that this improves by football.

[spliff]

these junk books do this to themselves. A+ books are finding ways to get business done.

[Doug]

A smaller book has some advantages, in getting payments out more easily, I'll agree with that John, but any book ( even large) needs to be able to pay without it taking two months, if it's going to take that long, volume will suffer tremendously.


There are too many books, I've said that for a good 5 years, it will correct.

It's like owning a gas station... you can't have too many in a small hood.

[BuddyBear]

I like SIA....never had any problems. Will let you guys know if I do though.

[sunnyblue88]

John, does it mean that it is safe to play at sportsbook.com, and its sister books, despite the processing problems, and if you don't mind waiting a little bit long?
I am thinking to make new deposit there, do you think it's a good idea? Thank you.





One also needs to not mistake a book with processing problems as a book with financial problems. A book like Sportsbook.com, yes they are in 3 month slow pay mode but the ownership of Sportsbook.com could buy every A+ book out there and still have a $100 million+ leftover.[/QUOTE]

[Mark Shark]

John, does it mean that it is safe to play at sportsbook.com, and its sister books, despite the processing problems, and if you don't mind waiting a little bit long?
I am thinking to make new deposit there, do you think it's a good idea? Thank you.





One also needs to not mistake a book with processing problems as a book with financial problems. A book like Sportsbook.com, yes they are in 3 month slow pay mode but the ownership of Sportsbook.com could buy every A+ book out there and still have a $100 million+ leftover.

[/QUOTE]

I would like an answer to this as well...

[Joey12345]

John - I like the way you post. I agree there are processing issues etc that cloud things but ya know what.....it is incumbent on the book to get that out ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE WEBSITE. The reason that they don't is because they don't want to jeopardize people NOT depositing because most people lose. That is the problem I have. If they had a post on the front page that had dated updates things would be a ton better for all. Thanks.

[hitbitritz]

you make a great point, and i think a lot of people agree with you. the payouts section also says 24 hrs or whatever. that's a lie.

[Mark Shark]

at least you guys in the US can get your money. I am here in Australia and checks aren't sent outides the US. So at the moment I am screwed.

[SBR_John]

John, does it mean that it is safe to play at sportsbook.com, and its sister books, despite the processing problems, and if you don't mind waiting a little bit long?
I am thinking to make new deposit there, do you think it's a good idea? Thank you.

Yes, They are very well funded. Their customer service is terrible and they are heavy handed if there is a dispute. But if you like the book then continue with them. They are in no way short of money.

[SBR_John]

John - I like the way you post. I agree there are processing issues etc that cloud things but ya know what.....it is incumbent on the book to get that out ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THEIR RESPECTIVE WEBSITE. The reason that they don't is because they don't want to jeopardize people NOT depositing because most people lose. That is the problem I have. If they had a post on the front page that had dated updates things would be a ton better for all. Thanks.

They have started to. And we are watching that. Bodog recently changed the text in their payout section to indicate 30 days. By this football it is reasonable to expect all decent books accurately state payout time frames.

[Mark Shark]

why wont sportsbook.com or linesmaker.com bend and use Neteller to give non US citizens their money back John?

[sunnyblue88]

Yes, They are very well funded. Their customer service is terrible and they are heavy handed if there is a dispute. But if you like the book then continue with them. They are in no way short of money.

I noticed a strange thing recently, their limit for baseball games has been raised significantly and no overnight low limit any more. Is it a red flag?

[Dandy Lion]

One also needs to not mistake a book with processing problems as a book with financial problems.

One also needs to not mistake a book with financial problems as merely one with "processing" problems. All books with financial problems are going to manifest themselves initially as books with processing problems. Any book which doesn't give you your money when you want it is a book with financial problems, no matter how anyone tries to bury that fact, or paint it up as something else.

[DrunkenLullaby]

the ownership of Sportsbook.com could buy every A+ book out there and still have a $100 million+ leftover.

...which, of course, begs the question why they can't afford to pony up for 24 hour competent customer service personnel.

[jjgold]

wagerweb is a C book

Bodog is a B book

Would I play at either ? No.

[dgs0387]

Gamblers Palace

Would love to hear from anyone with any experience (pro or con) playing @ Gamblers Palace......Thx

Of course Sportsbook.com, and the whole large group of sisters.

Bodog looks bad,IMO

Wagerweb ( and sisters), have a lot of issues

Oddsmaker

SIA

Betmania, looks like a goner

Superior ( Empire)

probably a lot of others too

There will be a lot less books soon,IMO !