My thoughts regarding bonus hunters

Dark Horse · 06-12-07, 05:43 PM

There is nothing hateful or condescending about the term 'bonus hunter'.

Wait until you talk to a book manager who, out of the blue and off-topic, starts injecting the conversation with 'bonus whores'.

hitbitritz · 06-12-07, 05:45 PM

'bonus hunter' is not a good name for a player. while i see why books would hate them, the truth of the matter is that if they are not breaking any rules they deserve to be paid.

Dark Horse · 06-12-07, 05:49 PM

I just don't understand why you object against the term 'hunter', which quite accurately describes the mentality; especially when the industry jargon is 'bonus whore'.

hitbitritz · 06-12-07, 05:52 PM

i don't object against the term "hunter", but ive seen a zillion posts such as "They were a bonus hunter they don't deserve to get paid" or something liek "well they just signed up, deposited, won, and wanted to get paid - they shouldn't"

Dark Horse · 06-12-07, 05:55 PM

Are you sure? There have been some disputes where bonus fraud was the problem. Typically the comments you brought up are reserved for such cases, not for bonus hunting.

knicknut · 06-12-07, 05:56 PM

If books don't like the way people are approaching their bonuses, they should change the terms, not make an executive decision ex post facto that one's actions are "not in the spirit" of the promotion.

If someone is acting within the posted terms, they are following all the rules and there is no reason for the book or fellow players to discriminate against them for any reason.

Dark Horse · 06-12-07, 06:01 PM

It's no longer possible, but I loved getting a 50% bonus and bet the entire balance against another account for a guaranteed profit. I remember asking the book where I lost if they wanted to do it again, and they'd go 'sure, just use another deposit method'. It was easy, quick, and clean. And probably bonus whoring.

pico · 06-12-07, 06:46 PM

is there such a term, "bonus pimp"? i think sportsbook.com qualifies as a bonus pimp.

robmpink · 06-12-07, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by picoman

is there such a term, "bonus pimp"? i think sportsbook.com qualifies as a bonus pimp.

Yeah, they are the pimp and everyone waiting to get paid are their whores.

20Four7 · 06-12-07, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Dark Horse

Are you sure? There have been some disputes where bonus fraud was the problem. Typically the comments you brought up are reserved for such cases, not for bonus hunting.

Most of the disputes here seem to be me and 7 other co workers were playing the same site and now we can't cash out. Sure 7 of us shared 4 ips....but what the hell.....

I believe the biggest problem is the books themselves reserve the right to determine who is acting in the spirit of the promotion and who isn't. I"ve seen rules written with such "solid" wording as "steam players will be deemed abusers" or "betting low priced favorites will be deemed abuse" What's a low priced fav? -170? -250? -500 -5000?

Give me my bonus if I roll it over let me have my money. If I bust please offer me a re up bonus since I"ll take it.

katstale · 06-12-07, 09:31 PM

I will introduce everybody to another term--"bonus fool"!!

That is the person who turns down free money from a vampire.

I hope some of the moron books take Justin7 up on his offer--they need the help.

raiders72002 · 06-12-07, 10:46 PM

Bonus whores should be shot.

SBR_John · 06-12-07, 10:59 PM

if someone wants to sign up and take a bonus, they are free to do that. As long as they meet the rollover requirements and rules, they are allowed to cash out. They are then free to go to another book and receive another sign up bonus.

I agree. If the store offers a sale on Coors light beer I stock up. Books are no different. They make the rules and offers and we the consumers buy their goods based on their offer.

20Four7 · 06-13-07, 04:50 AM

John you are correct, however if we beat them at the game some books act like we are stealing. They want all players to be losers. Even if you are a long term loser you can still go on incredible win streaks. I"ve seen it. A sharp player can still go through bad losing streaks. It just bothers me that some books put crappy wording in which basically gives them free rein to determine who is an abuser and who is not.

Patrick McIrish · 06-13-07, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by knicknut

If books don't like the way people are approaching their bonuses, they should change the terms, not make an executive decision ex post facto that one's actions are "not in the spirit" of the promotion.

If someone is acting within the posted terms, they are following all the rules and there is no reason for the book or fellow players to discriminate against them for any reason.

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SBR_John · 06-13-07, 10:48 AM

Keep in mind guys that bookmakers are not normally graduates from the Wharton School of Business.

Many of them were used to running booking monopolies back wherever they came from. They handled disputes by telling someone to f*ck off. Its much better now but they still rivert back to their old ways once in a while.

jjgold · 06-13-07, 10:52 AM

Bonus guys are failed bettors or scammers, nothing else

The ruined many books not much more bonus type stuff out there.

pico · 06-13-07, 12:57 PM

bonus rarely attract me. i rather put my money into a sportsbook where i feel safe than with some site that might take over 2 months to mail out a check. what good is 100% sign up bonus if you're not going to see your money for a long long time.

increasedodds · 06-13-07, 04:44 PM

I am very happy to take bonuses and am not a failed bettor or scammer. The bottom line is if you are going to send significant money to a book, many will negotiate a bonus better than the one advertised. I can't recall ever making a deposit and not getting at least 10% except and usually 20%.

Sean

Computer · 06-13-07, 06:14 PM

Blake, the manager of Gameday ( VIP family ) told me in 2002 "Mr .... you are a bonus shopper".

hitbitritz · 06-13-07, 06:17 PM

great discussions here...thanks for the input guys

the_fredrik · 06-14-07, 09:38 AM

when does the hunter become a whore??

At what number does the the hunter become a whore below:

1. Player A signs up with a book, say, the greek and deposits for a nice bonus. He bets and fulfils the requirements. If he wins he makes a withdrawal, if he loses he makes another deposit and collects the reload bonus. He keeps doing this until he wins, after which he withdraws.

2. Player B does the same thing.

3. Player A and B knows each other.

4. Player A hands B some money.

5. Maybe that money was for making a deposit at the greek?

6. It was.

7. And he helps him to bet.

8. He actually makes the bets, at Bs home.

9. Or in his own home, from another IP.

10. Player A also has another friend called C.

11. Player A has a lot of friends: D, E, F ...

12. And he hedges his bets at the greek at matchbook (feel free to insert this point higher, up to 1.5)

SBR_John · 06-14-07, 10:18 AM

Exactly fredrik...

Dr Ho of the giant Asian online book said it best. He said we offer a bonus and everyone is welcome. We price the bonus so that we make a small profit on the angle shooters and do better up the curve.

Bottomline is guys are not stealing when they take a bonus and scalp it out. Its greed on the BM's part to think they can price a bonus with a negative return and not attract angle shooters.

Dhuepaxuz · 06-14-07, 11:11 AM

I personally don't accept bonuses for the only reason that I don't like my money tied-up with one single Book for a long period of time (rollover, etc.). The industry is too shaky nowadays.

With the above said, many books are surprised and not too happy when I ask them to please remove the bonus

to the players who like and accept the bonuses.

hitbitritz · 06-14-07, 07:41 PM

yup, of course they love giving out bonus's. a lot of players rush to meet that rollover, and lose all their $ on the way. any way to restrict players funds, and a bonus is an easy, fair way for a SB