USA :: Constitutionally , how can the US Govt mandate...

[Sam Odom]

That her citizens buy something or be imprisoned ?

I'm asking about Health Ins

[tblues2005]

They do that to us to buy car insurance don't they? What's the difference here?

[durito]

they mandate all sorts of crap

you have to send your kids to school
you have to pay taxes

you can't gamble online

same shit

[Brock Landers]

car insurance is manditory

[Sam Odom]

Those car laws are state laws , there is a difference. Anyway , I can choose not to drive or own a car

[tblues2005]

It is a federal mandate to get federal funds I am really sure of that just like the seat belt laws are Sam.

[Sam Odom]

2005 , where in the Constitution does it allow the feds to mandate that her citizens (just to live) must buy/purchase anything from a pvt company or be subject to imprisonment?

[mmike032]

if its such a great plan...
why is congress, and the Prez himmself along with his family excluded from partaking in the healthcare being shoved down the throats of the common man.

[tblues2005]

When does it say imprisonment for not buying health insurance? I did not know that was in cards here? The only thing is not to pay income tax can do this to you.

[tblues2005]

I don't like what is coming out of congress on this totally but the issue of pre exisiting conditions part I totally agree with. If I change jobs I cannot be covered for a pre exisiting condition is a bunch of crap. I know of someone that got a new job and he got his health coverage then he told me that they would not cover for his asthma inhalers because it is that. I call that a bunch of crap.

[DwightShrute]

Those car laws are state laws , there is a difference. Anyway , I can choose not to drive or own a car

you took the words right out of my mouth!

Basically, it's a hidden tax. Remember, Obama said that anyone making below 250K a year would not see a tax increase. We all knew he was lying.
User fees and hidden cost s like this, will be his way around breaking that promise. For now.

[FreeFall]

2005 , where in the Constitution does it allow the feds to mandate that her citizens (just to live) must buy/purchase anything from a pvt company or be subject to imprisonment?

It's all interpretation of the current lawmakers. Where does it say they can't?

[tblues2005]

Dwight that is where I am disappointed in Obama is those hidden taxes. Your right. I still think that it is horrible what health insurance is doing to us right now. My landlord told me last week since he lost his job about a year ago that his health insurance for him and his wife it $1,350 a month. It takes his rental property income to make that much not counting all the bills that he has otherwise. I agree with him it is far too expensive and I know the GOP didn't do anything on this issue at all for the years that they had control at all. He was talking to me about this about a month ago and he is concerned that his prices are not going to go down any. That is why I am for giving people a chance to get into medicare at the age of 55 because it will be a benefit for the people that way. I know the health insurance companies are not going to like it but I say who cares about them. They are the ones that are making record profits for their companies anyway. Dwight your right it is like a hidden tax on us requiring people to have health insurance. If you are low income you will qualify for medicaid though if you make below a certain amount which is a good thing for the low income people at this time.

[DwightShrute]

They do this all the time in Canada. User-fee you to death in place of higher taxes. Then they implement higher taxes anyway.

Get used to it. Obama is starting the process of how much, can make and where you can and will be spending it.

This in only the beginning. Change is here.

More government means less money for the common worker, more for the clueless and much more for unions and government employees.

[tblues2005]

I sure think it is a better than the current system we have which stinks.

[Irish Lumberjack]

nobody is truley free

[Dark Horse]

I'm all in favor of the Constitution.

But that's toilet paper in DC.

If we want it back, we have to take it back.


There is no question that the Fed/Rothschild/AIPAC cabal wants to change America into another Europe. With them calling the shots. That's been the battle for freedom (against the British) ever since George Washington. And now we're losing it, because the People are brainwashed by the media, and dumbed down by a terrible education system.

[capitalist pig]

There is now an option in the health care bill to purchase the same govt health insurance that congress and all federal employees have. No idea how much it will cost annually though.

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[capitalist pig]

I'm all in favor of the Constitution.

But that's toilet paper in DC.

If we want it back, we have to take it back.

I remember being a very young man back in the late 60s early 70s and people would take to the streets back then and question authority. It wasnt unusual to have multiple bombing, and riots going on at any one time in multiple cities across the USA.

Those days are long gone, todays generation would sooner watch video games and sit in front of a computer all day. Back then young people werent afraid to confront the govt on issues, now a days peoples idea of confrontations take place on internet message boards.JMO

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[DwightShrute]

I remember being a very young man back in the late 60s early 70s and people would take to the streets back then and question authority. It wasnt unusual to have multiple bombing, and riots going on at any one time in multiple cities across the USA.

Those days are long gone, todays generation would sooner watch video games and sit in front of a computer all day. Back then young people werent afraid to confront the govt on issues, now a days peoples idea of confrontations take place on internet message boards.JMO

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The government isn't scared of people and until they are, they will continue treating it's people with disregard.

[Dark Horse]

I've always considered Gandhi as one of my heroes, and have great affiliation with the Hindu culture. I see Gandhi as the polar opposite of one of his contemporaries, Hitler. And yet, recent events in America have made me see, very clearly, that there is a core of truth in Hitler's accusations against the Jewish financial influence. That doesn't mean I would, ever, support Hitler, because the critique doesn't spill over to the rest of the Jewish people. But it does mean that I agree that this financial influence suffocates America, as it has other nations.

Let me illustrate. Nikola Tesla, the genius inventor, wanted his inventions to benefit all and envisioned free electricity for all. He was financed by JP Morgan, who thought that a very bad idea. When JP Morgan no longer had use for Tesla, he cut off the flow of money, leaving Tesla, who was working on a major project, hang out to dry. The inventor, who should have been a billionaire, died penniless. Instead, Morgan made the profits. Later JP Morgan was a key player in setting up the anti-Constitutional, privately owned Federal Reserve Bank (although he died that year, before it was approved by president Woodrow Wilson).

It always comes down to the battle between darkness and light, doesn't it? Gandhi was on the side of the light. Hitler recognized the satanic nature of the Jewish financial influence, but fought it with darkness and lost all perspective. Darkness can never defeat darkness. Darkness feeds on darkness. The question is: how do we turn on the light?

Maybe it's about inner freedom first; the spiritual side of Gandhi. Maybe that will set the stage for outer freedom. I do find it interesting that India, in spite of its imbalances, is the oldest surviving culture in the world today, and I would attribute that to its spiritual depth and heritage.

[FreeFall]

I remember being a very young man back in the late 60s early 70s and people would take to the streets back then and question authority. It wasnt unusual to have multiple bombing, and riots going on at any one time in multiple cities across the USA.

Those days are long gone, todays generation would sooner watch video games and sit in front of a computer all day. Back then young people werent afraid to confront the govt on issues, now a days peoples idea of confrontations take place on internet message boards.JMO

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Man isn't that the truth. I consider myself a very vocal person and it frustrates me sometimes what it takes to motivate people to get what they want in this world. Regardless it makes for an easier time for me to fiscally beat them, but the social side of me is pissed off how they can just sit and watch it happen.

[Dark Horse]

Agree. This young generation, that should be providing the next impulse, is missing in action. Too busy text messaging, about nothing. The guts and courage to stand up and fight back was sucked right out of them.

Then again, they have no cultural stream (music) to unite them.

[Indecent]

Then again, they have no cultural stream (music) to unite them.

Truer words have never been spoken. Somewhere along the line my generation traded it's spine, brain, and soul for an iphone, wheels that spin, and other shiny things.

[BigdaddyQH]

Thisis absolutely true. Young people today do not worry about their future because that next lottery ticket that they purchase will be the winning one. If not, they can turn a buck into $10,000.00 at their nearest casino. If all else fails, they can go on welfare and let the State take care of them, or simply lead a life of crime. It is all about attitude and values, and today's generation seems to have jumped ship. John Kennedy said: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Obviously today's teens and young adults did not get the message.

[andywend]

I sure think it is a better than the current system we have which stinks.

TBlues2005, you're wrong AGAIN.

The current system works just fine and provides the highest quality medical care on the planet for the 85% of us who have medical insurance.

I pay $1,600/month to cover myself and my family and we can see any Doctor we choose, whenever we choose and for whatever reason we choose.

I challenge you to name one country that has adopted a socialized medicine delivery system where its citizens have these kind of options.

While I agree that quality medical care is very expensive, its worth every penny as long as I know it will be there when we need it.

Under Obama's plan, the cost of medical insurance will probably go down but the quality of medical care is going to deterioriate substantially.

Obama and the democrats have stated the following about their socialized medical plan:
1. All pre-existing conditions will be covered
2. Every single person in the United States will be covered
3. The cost of medical insurance is going to be reduced substantially.

Lets take them at their word and assume all of the above is accurate.

For all of the above to be true, the quality of medical care under Obama's plan has to be much lower than what the current system provides for those that have insurance.

The United States of America is NOT a Fantasyland.

In my opinion, getting the highest quality medical care when any of my family members get sick is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than a new car, taking a vacation or buying that new color TV.

If I was on a limited budget, I would be more than willing to do without all of the above if it meant receiving the kind of medical care the current system provides.

Democrats like Barack Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have consistently said their socialized medical plan is GREAT for America. If they truly believe that, then someone needs to ask them the following 2 questions:

1. If its so great and so important for America, then Obama, Reid and Pelosi need to publicly say they will use this new plan for themselves and their families in the event they need medical care. If they continue to insist on being exempted from this plan, then it proves what HYPOCRITES these people really are.

If its good enough for us, shouldn't it be good enough for them?

If Social Security is any indication, one can only imagine what kind of sweetheart plan they are going to vote in for themselves at taxpayer expense?

2. If the plan is so important and such a great thing for America, then why are the democrats so insistent on getting the bill passed so quickly as opposed to waiting until next year and taking their time and make sure they get it 100% right?

If this plan is so good for America as the democrats are claiming, wouldn't they be fighting tooth and nail to hold off on passage until as close to the mid-term election as possible so they can take the credit just in time to influence the election results in their favor?

Instead the democrats are pushing this thing through as fast as they possibly can because they want it all wrapped up long before next years election.

Only one question comes to mind:
Why are the democrats so concerned about their socialized medical plan negatively influencing the 2010 mid-term elections?

Clearly, they are afraid because they know the vast majority of Americans are opposed to it.

[jon101]

Yeah but where does the greed stop when it comes to doctors?

[losturmarbles]

what does greed have to do with anything?

[WileOut]

That her citizens buy something or be imprisoned ?

I'm asking about Health Ins

Thin line. Mandating school is for the good of everyone who lives in the country. Mandating car insurance is a no brainer too. But where do you draw the line?



In my opinion drugs should be legal. All drugs other than those used solely to poison or kill other people. Cyanide should be illegal. But recreational drugs like cocaine and heroin should be legal IMO.

[jon101]

It has alot to do with the rising healthcare costs of overpaid doctors, and their greed toward collecting per procedure giving them an incentive to practice defensive medicine.

[WileOut]

I remember being a very young man back in the late 60s early 70s and people would take to the streets back then and question authority. It wasnt unusual to have multiple bombing, and riots going on at any one time in multiple cities across the USA.

Those days are long gone, todays generation would sooner watch video games and sit in front of a computer all day. Back then young people werent afraid to confront the govt on issues, now a days peoples idea of confrontations take place on internet message boards.JMO

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People are the same as they were then. Its not like over the past 30 years, people have become different genetically so they think differently. That is what you are insinuating.

Its just that there is more to do to keep people busy, like you mentioned video games, computers, Hi Def TV's, online gambling, etc. People don't get as passionate about political issues as they have in the past because there is more to take their attention away from it now.

However with the radical government we have in place, people are starting to gather in opposition all over the country (tea parties, etc.). In my opinion there could very well be another civil war if Obama gets elected again.

[BestPlay2day]

Whatever plan they pass, everyone in congress should have to use that healthcare plan. No more free healthcare for those bastards. See how they like paying huge monthly fees, co pays, high deductibles they have to pay before insurance starts to kick in. They want to start to save money, cut the free healthcare for these old fukks in office.

[losturmarbles]

It has alot to do with the rising healthcare costs of overpaid doctors, and their greed toward collecting per procedure giving them an incentive to practice defensive medicine.

oh yeah that's right. greedy doctors are coming after your tonsils and diabetic feet.

absurd healthcare costs come from 3rd party payers shielding the true cost.

there are no market forces to keep prices in check.

[jon101]

Not true, doctors performing 85 procedures on a 75 year old woman because she has medicare and they get paid no matter what is just plain greed. Laugh all you want ignorance is all you have to share.

[kchien]

Not true, doctors performing 85 procedures on a 75 year old woman because she has medicare and they get paid no matter what is just plain greed. Laugh all you want ignorance is all you have to share.

Isn't that sort of medicare's fault? I can't see a private insurance company allowing this to happen.