Ratings for $$$$

tacomax · 11-24-05, 12:23 PM

Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't. Even if it was then I'd give kudos to any site that uses whatever means necessary to help players who are victims of a scam book. To ascertain if it is true then just do a bit of research into the person making the claims. If he's a known liar/scammer then you should take everything said with a bucketload of salt.

But in all honesty, anyone with a grudge to bear will spin any story any which way he likes. There are so many dodgy characters in this industry - touts shilling scam books, sites advertising scam books and scam books themselves - that if you have to resort to having a knock at SBR who stick up for the player then you've got your priorities wrong. Or you're a scammer yourself.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 01:34 PM

Once again the ignorant spout off. Dollars were traded for ratings. No biggie as it happens all the time.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 01:39 PM

I'd give kudos to any site that uses whatever means necessary to help players who are victims of a scam book

So get a couple of guys paid and set up more players by giving a book a rating they don't deserve. I'm amazed every day by taco.

jay88 · 11-24-05, 01:48 PM

I can assure that SBR doesn't take any money for ratings...

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 01:51 PM

Jay- You are dead wrong. I'm not saying that SBR isn't doing a good job. SBR does a great job and I would send anyone with a problem to them. Two guys here are questioning me and I'm just setting the record straight.

jay88 · 11-24-05, 01:56 PM

Well at least they have never accepted money from me... We had to do many changes to get a minor upgrade.

bigboydan · 11-24-05, 02:01 PM

i think this post was a shot at me raiders

let me set the record straight. jay has stepped up to the plate and has offered to bailout a few players. but, as jay can atest too. i told him john and bill make the rating and not me. so, i don't want anyone to get the idea that either SBR or me are selling out rating to get people paid !!!

tacomax · 11-24-05, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

So get a couple of guys paid and set up more players by giving a book a rating they don't deserve. I'm amazed every day by taco.

I'm assuming from the fact that you're replying on this thread that it's you making the accusation against SBR. Like I said, anyone with a grudge to bear will spin any story any which way he likes. You've enticed people before on message boards into stiff books and you'll probably do it again. You don't care about the players, you just care about the money you make off the back of them. At least one poster is still owed monies from one of your stiff books.

Any scam artist is going to try and discredit the likes of SBR wherever they can. A scammer thrives on the uneducated bettor - SBR educates the bettors and so is an obvious enemy.

Remember you're the guy who claimed that "some emplyees of SBR almost killed an year ago by some bodyguards from Royal" despite not being there. Dave from SBR was there and said this did not happen. He made you look a bit of a plonker. You're doing the same to yourself now.

tacomax · 11-24-05, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by jay88

I can assure that SBR doesn't take any money for ratings...

How can you be so sure?

tacomax · 11-24-05, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by bigboydan

i think this post was a shot at me raiders

let me set the record straight. jay has stepped up to the plate and has offered to bailout a few players. but, as jay can atest too. i told him john and bill make the rating and not me. so, i don't want anyone to get the idea that either SBR or me are selling out rating to get people paid !!!

I'd be amazed if it was a shot at you. A rating increase from D to D+ is hardly mindblowing by any stretch of the imagination. Sure, a bailout or two is good PR for any book I'm sure no-one will deny that but that's all it is - PR. If I was flashing the cash then I'd be expecting a distinctly higher upward movement.

Originally posted by jay88

Well at least they have never accepted money from me... We had to do many changes to get a minor upgrade.

And those minor changes add up. Keep changing and you'll keep the upward momentum. You're no Bet Jamaica, you can't expect an instant B rating. Just look at Sportbet - gone from a D to a B- within 18 months. If you're expecting to be in business in 18 months, then that's where you can push to be.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 02:27 PM

Dan - You do a great job. I know that SBR can't be bought. The only problem I have is that Taco is clueless and shoots his mouth off. SBR made one mistake. We all make mistakes. Taco just makes more mistakes than the rest of us. SBR traded a full grade to get players paid. Also, as far as PTS everyone that came to me was paid. Taco can't get anything right.

tacomax · 11-24-05, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Also, as far as PTS everyone that came to me was paid. Taco can't get anything right.

The question is, has everyone owed money from PTS being paid? Yes or no - that will be fine.

I'm sure that you can understand that people who you've stiffed are unlikely to come to you for any mediation. Scam mediation is a well-known method for those involved in scam books.

But, hey, what do you care. You've earnt your bounty. That's the main thing.

jay88 · 11-24-05, 02:40 PM

Taco, at least from Betonstars I can assure that SBR is making things hard and I respect that more than anything else. That is the main reason that getting a good raiting at SBR means a lot to a sportsbook.

I know we are no Pinnacle or BetJamaica, but a D+ means "Poor, some risk to players funds. Poor customer service, etc"...

I make it clear to every player that if they are big players or want big limits we are not the place for them, so all the players that we accept have no risk.
I have had guys asking me what bonus I can give them on deposits over the 10k and I send them directly to Pinnacle, we don't cater big post up players.
We have our business plan set really well and we don't care about fast risky cash.
All our players when they win they get paid, we do same day payouts and we pay fast, our customer service is really good and all the customers are treated as persons and not as numbers, we have 24 hours customer service and bookmaking to grade late bets as fast as possible, we have a much bigger selection of lines than many sportsbooks out there with higher rating than ours, plus we try to help as many players as we can that got scammed.

True we are new, but we don't belong at a D...

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 03:03 PM

Taco

You don't care about the players,

If I didn't care about the players then why did I help everyone to get paid. I will make sure that players get paid from any book that I put up and that's a fact.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 03:05 PM

has everyone owed money from PTS being paid? Yes or no

Yes, everyone that came to me got paid.

Did everyone get paid by PanAM even though they promoted PanAM? No.

SBR_John · 11-24-05, 03:32 PM

SBR has never sold a rating. Now we have told books that if they clear up all debts they would be upgraded. Books ask all the time what they need to do to get to the next level. A books want to be A+ as bad as D books want to be C+'s.

I think our envious competitors like to tell their followers that we sell ratings but we don't. We work with 617 books, thats 617 bookmakers. If we ever sold a rating the world would know before the ink dried, there are no secrets in this industry.

The ratings are very valuable because they are accurate. If you sell a B- to a Royal for example, your ratings become instantly worthless.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 03:35 PM

John- Don't make me get your quotes. A book said that they aren't paying you unless you upgrade their rating to a C. You upgraded their rating and then they paid.

SBR_John · 11-24-05, 03:39 PM

John- Don't make me get your quotes. A book said that they aren't paying you unless you upgrade their rating to a C. You upgraded their rating and then they paid.

Thats totally false, go get any quote anywhere any time. No books paid to be rated.... period. "No book has ever paid one cent to be rated." Is that a clear enough quote?

jumper · 11-24-05, 03:48 PM

thank god for sbr.as a player,i prefer this forum to others because it is based upon the evaluation of books.if there is a dispute i feel bill will objectively look into it, and although i,ve offered to compensate bill for the success he has had helping me collect in the past he has never accepted.given that fact,i believe he will grade books objectively too.no one here is perfect-i admit to being a bonus hunter as part of my overall gambling strategy,but i feel this industry needs one voice as the authority.when bill told me to shut down my beard acct i did it.when bill finds a book in error they should accept his decision or be graded f.

jay88 · 11-24-05, 03:50 PM

Totally agree with you Jumper

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 10:29 PM

Pinnacle linesman

You have to be very careful with its lower (B-) rated books - SBR on several occasions has elevated a rating as part of a "private deal" to encourage a stiff book to pay people. I forget the name, but there was a stiff book it raised to a "C". Additionally, I think SBR has no clue about the new books. BetPanam for instance, was rated in the B area, and might have even been on the recommended list (and now is in slowpay mode).

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 10:38 PM

"bigboydan
Nov 24 2003, 06:02 AM
john, are you crazy upgrading theonlinebet to a "C" rating ?
slash
Nov 24 2003, 06:17 AM
No matter if The Online Bet pays all the guys they scammed in the past, they should never be raised from F.
bigboydan
Nov 24 2003, 06:20 AM
maybe a D- at best but i would still grade them an F myself personaly

i really would like to know why john upgraded them to a C though makes no since to me really.
Peep
Nov 24 2003, 08:01 AM
Guess he traded off his "C" rating to try and get some people paid.

Agree it is a joke for them to rated same as All-World.

Does anyone have proof that onthelinebet is the same outfit as skytower? BBD claims they still owe him 7K.
bigboydan
"

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 10:39 PM

John- Theonlinebet is now F-. You traded a C rating for $. If you still want to try and call me a liar on this I'll keep digging and find your qoute on this.

SBR_John · 11-24-05, 10:41 PM

Oh ok now the quotes are un named sportsbook employees who heard third hand? Kind of a far cry from you saying

John- Don't make me get your quotes.

And yes, if a book says how do we get to a C or whatever we will tell them to clear up all your issues such as pay any players you owe. Telling books how to get upgraded is part of the job around here. Kind of a huge difference in that and selling a rating as you suggested.

SBR_John · 11-24-05, 10:44 PM

If you said myself or SBR received even a cent from theonlinebet or any other book for a rating change then yes, you would be a liar.

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 10:46 PM

John- I never said that you received money. I said that the book came to you and said the aren't paying anyone unless you changed their rating to a C. You changed the rating to a C and then the book screwed many others after this.

It's one mistake and like I said it's no big deal and you do a great job. I just don't like being called a liar.

SBR_John · 11-24-05, 11:17 PM

John- I never said that you received money. I said that the book came to you and said the aren't paying anyone unless you changed their rating to a C. You changed the rating to a C and then the book screwed many others after this.

Well your facts are getting closer. You actually are not a liar because you dont even know what happened. You want to know what happened in case you ever want to recall it correctly?? OK, grab a chair

A couple of players came to SBR and I contacted the book. The book made a big presentation about a new vegas owner who would pay everyone and start anew and start with funds I could verify. So I did or tried to verify the owner and started by getting the players paid under the agreement that they would return to their old rating. I could not get anyone in Vegas to vouch for their well funded new owner but he was paying everyone so I accepted that. Within I guess 2 weeks the new owner called me and said they(the old owners in costa rica) were screwing him and he was bailing. They got an instant downgrade and I got a few new death threats but at least we got some players paid. -The End

raiders72001 · 11-24-05, 11:33 PM

I got a few new death threats but at least we got some players paid.

You sure have your priorities mixed up. If it were me, the death threat would hold a little more weight in player's ratings than their money.

pags11 · 11-24-05, 11:45 PM

yeah, I highly doubt that SBR is doing anything for any reason other than what's right...I'm a huge supporter and have gotten to know Bill and the boys a little...they look out for the player, not the book...

SBR_John · 11-25-05, 12:44 AM

Well thanks pags and raiders its actually a great discussion point.

The SBR model is pretty unique. Selling ratings is just dumb and so transparent. Raiders example was 3 years ago and didnt even involve payment for a ratings. But you see JJ Gold sell a B- to Royal and the world knows he was bought and will remeber that for decades if not forever. In a word its all about 'greed'.

bigboydan · 11-25-05, 01:53 AM

i remember that whole ordeal on that book (Theonlinebet).. john made arrangements to get these people paid. and, they backout of it.

looking back on it, i can't fault john at all for keeping up his side of the deal at all. but, i personaly would have never changed the rating before the payments were made.

mad · 11-25-05, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by bigboydan

i think this post was a shot at me raiders

Not at all mate. I think if this was done then it was a selfless act and quite a smart move on SBR's behalf - commendable. It was a shot at what i perceive, rightly or wrongly, to be a little hypocrisy creeping into the forum on this issue.

Raiders, you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and to freely express yourself. However i do have to take issue when with one hand you self promote and then with the other you take a swipe at the very people assisting you in getting your venture off the ground.

natrass · 11-25-05, 03:14 AM

I think thats fair what mad said raiders. SBR have been very helpful to you, while remaining impartial to blatent promotions.

So why you want to try and pin some "grassy knoll" stuff on them seems a bit strange.

raiders72001 · 11-25-05, 06:12 AM

You guys make great points. The only thing is that I didn't start this thread. In the first two posts in this thread you have two guys taking shots at me and questioning me. I just replied.

Even though this thread started off bad, as John said and I agree, a lot of good information has come out of it.