IS IT OK to SCAM your SPORTSBOOK ?

[nobs]

I am just wondering how everyone feels on this.

I have had some books do some pretty low down shit to me. I have had plays cancelled and call bad lines after they played sat as a pending wager for hours, and then only called a bad line after the play won. And the line was only a couple points off the going line at other books, it was a total.

I know that some books deal multiple lines so if they know you like dogs they may make the dog +3 when it should be +4 then if you like to lay the number you might get -5.

I know I have played in online casinos that were just straight rip off BS thieving casinos. Too much BS to be a coincidence, like winning most of my $1 bets but every time I bet $50 + I lose - and I mean every time.

I have been charged $180 for a western union withdrawal that was supposed to be free then was supposed to be $40.

I have had bonus taken back after I played the 8 time rollover and won huge, then they take back bonus plus winnings attached to bonus.

Everytime I complain, either to the books or to other gamblers I hear the same thing. -- If you dont like it dont play there anymore, but a bets a bet and its my own fault. If they screwed me in the casino then its my own fault for betting in the casino.

Maybe thats all true, so here is what I want to know.

If you realize that your book lets you make correlated parlays or some other means which pretty much guarantees you are going to win long term, should you do it or is that stealing ?

Is gambling really like Love and War ? -- everything is fair game ? Or is there really this gamblers honor thing where you would rather lose than do something that might be construed as cheating ?

I am not talking about bad lines or past posting. Those things will likely get cancelled anyway and even if they dont thats not something you are going to be able to take advantage of every day.

I am talking about like if the book takes some type of bet they shouldnt where you actually have + EV or some other way you might find to give yourself + EV.

Is this OK or are you a low down dirty bum who deserves to be killed if you do this.

Thanks for your opinions.

[betplom]

Books are in business to take as much money from you as you will let them.

If you can beat a book any way, go for it.

[Richkas]

IS IT OK to SCAM your SPORTSBOOK ?

No

[FishFace5]

I definitely would not consider this cheating. I've dealt with locals who will take them as well. You've already stated in ur post the books are quick to take advantage anyway they can so I wouldn't feel bad. You know if you start pounding em on it there gonna shut you down though, so pick your spots and you shouldn't have a problem. Which book?

[Ced's shadow]

No

[20Four7]

Scam them no..... beat them every which way till Sunday is fair game......

[Ced's shadow]

Scam them no..... beat them every which way till Sunday is fair game......

Another solid and chivalrious post, but alas, couldn't expect less from 24/7

[nobs]

Easy to say no, I agree with betplom and fishface.

Why is it OK for them to scam the players ( like through cheating casinos ) but its wrong for the players to take advantage of a books mistakes ?

The book already has a pretty huge advantage just with the juice, but they also screw players by dealing multiple lines, by using crooked casino software, by changing the rules mid stream on bonus'es all the time, etc.

Why should the player be held to such a higher standard ?

[betplom]

[nobs]

Is it scamming them or beating them if you put in correlated or other bets which give you long term +EV, bets you know most books wouldnt allow, but they are allowing. Is that scamming them or beating them ?

The fact is that very few if any people can beat the -110 long term. In fact, in all my years frequenting all the gambling forums, I have come across millions of posters who claim they beat the -110 long term, and exactly 0 who were able to demonstrate it long term.

[nobs]

There is a book ( one of the 12 books with a banner on top of this page ) that I used to play at. They supposedly allowed me to bet any amount I wanted per game ( no limit ). When I started winning, I could only put in $50 bets at a time, and the line would be adjusted 1/2 points against me before I could bet another $50.

Yeah, the sportsbooks are real honest with us.

[lyon804]

I myself like past posting. Your right it doesn't happen often, but it does occur. Just this past Sunday I hit two one was a first half and the other a second half. Both worked. LOL

[pico]

i doubt you can scam the book since they're holding your money.

[philswin]

If the website allows it bet it. If they want to stop they should fix their website

[cobalt king]

Gambling is all about getting an edge if you find a way to exploit a system do it. fuk the books

[nobs]

I would never past post unless the outcome was guaranteed.

Most books will let the play pend,

then if it wins --- NO Action it was PAST post you cheating scoundrel.

if it loses, you lost a bet is a bet after all.

[nobs]

philswin and cobalt king,

100% agree

[betplom]

i doubt you can scam the book since they're holding your money.

How naive.

There are quite a few ways of taking shots at a book.

[nobs]

absolutely and I will take every shot I can

[pico]

How naive.

There are quite a few ways of taking shots at a book.

good luck withdraw the money

[nobs]

Does anyone really believe that any online sportsbook actually has an honest casino ?

I bet they laugh their asses off when a player goes into their online casino and loses $1000 or more. You think they worry for 1 second about stealing that money ? Hell no.

Then they want to cry like little biatches when a player takes advantage of their mistakes.

[betplom]

good luck withdraw the money

How about this, use an ewallet to make a large deposit - the max allowed, then bet the game you want, if it wins you allow the transaction to go through, if it loses you put a stop payment on the funds coming out of your bank account.

You can also do this with a credit card and dispute the charge if you lose.

Book gets fukked if you lose and pays out if you win. Easy.

Pico, I thought you slanty eyed guys were smart.

If I could do this for a six figure amount I'd do it in a heartbeat, but it would only likely work for a few thousand dollars, not worth it imho.

[nobs]

No doubt Pico, we still have to get them to pay us out. That sometimes proves to be difficult even when you play 100% fair. Sure, they have the advantage at every turn. But I am just saying, why is a player considered a thieving crook if he notices a mistake and takes advantage of it ? Isnt that the very purpose of their scamming casinos ? They know that after the games are over the winning gamblers feel lucky and figures he is playing with their money anyway, the losing gamblers are looking to get even.

Why is it OK for a sportsbook to take advantage of players stupid mistakes, but if a player does it he is a crook ?

[nobs]

Im sorry, I have gambled too long and I have been fuked by books so many different ways from Sunday that I am not worried about the "gamblers honor" shit anymore.

[20Four7]

Easy to say no, I agree with betplom and fishface.

Why is it OK for them to scam the players ( like through cheating casinos ) but its wrong for the players to take advantage of a books mistakes ?

The book already has a pretty huge advantage just with the juice, but they also screw players by dealing multiple lines, by using crooked casino software, by changing the rules mid stream on bonus'es all the time, etc.

Why should the player be held to such a higher standard ?

Most books don't scam players.... if they hang multi lines then use what your dealt to your advantage..... if you play in the casino your an idiot because you cannot beat on line casino's except by getting lucky. Changing the rules midstream for a bonus is bad... and I would report it to SBR and have them look at it. Not all books out there are theives. I've been booted from many books and all have paid me.

[betplom]

Im sorry, I have gambled too long and I have been fuked by books so many different ways from Sunday that I am not worried about the "gamblers honor" shit anymore.

Exactly, I don't fall for the horseshit either, books/casinos etc are predatory by nature and aren't doing anything honourable by offering their "services".

[20Four7]

plommer don't encourage this guy..... not that he needs much anyways.

[nobs]

Most books don't scam players.... if they hang multi lines then use what your dealt to your advantage..... if you play in the casino your an idiot because you cannot beat on line casino's except by getting lucky. Changing the rules midstream for a bonus is bad... and I would report it to SBR and have them look at it. Not all books out there are theives. I've been booted from many books and all have paid me.

Did BOS pay you ? Did Aces Gold pay you ? Did V-Wager pay you ? Did Gamblers Palace pay you ? Did bet Camelot pay you ?

Most of these had A ratings on this website at one point, so if you were lucky enough to have 0 balance when they stopped paying, then congrats. Most players werent. These werent F books, most were A books.

And yes, ALL books scam players in one way or another. Just like you said, its stupid to play in an online casino because I guarantee the house edge is much higher than in an house live game. That in itself, is scamming players.

Betplom is right, they are predatory by nature. They want your money any way they can, and if thats your rent money they will laugh their asses off while taking it.

I dont disagree with that, if you gamble your rent money you are an idiot. I am just saying, we should be just as ruthless as they are. That is our only chance. And even if you are winning with the -110, it doesnt hurt to win more.

[betplom]

plommer don't encourage this guy..... not that he needs much anyways.

I'm not really encouraging him, he made up his mind a while ago.

The point I'm making is that books worry about themselves, and I understand that.

Players need to take care of themselves.

[nobs]

20four7,

I dont have to be encouraged, I feel how I feel. And for what its worth, I beleive when an opportunity comes up, 95% of gamblers take advantage.

Me and betplom are just admitting what most gamblers wont admit.

[nobs]

I'm not really encouraging him, he made up his mind a while ago.

The point I'm making is that books worry about themselves, and I understand that.

Players need to take care of themselves.

Exactly

[betplom]

Me and betplom are just admitting what most gamblers wont admit.

Right, for books to be successful MANY players must lose money.

Great deal for the sportsbook, and with many of them (Sportsinteraction comes to mind) they will kick you out if you "win too much".

Yeah, sportsbooks are right up there with banks and insurance companies on the list of honourable institutions.

[20Four7]

5% of players win....95 lose.... the books don't need that MANY players...... outside of the 5% bet probably as much as the 95%......

SIA limited me after 5 weeks.... kicked me out after 8. I know a lot of books want losers. BTW I don't get paid by anyone to shill them I tell you my experiences..... Bet365 also kicked me out except for poker and basically called me a bonus abuser and a winner..... funny I only accepted the bonus's they offered me....... But they hung some "questionable" lines that I hammered.

The books are in it to make money we are in it to make money..... it's a dog eat dog world but I wouldn't scam..... If I had a faster feed and was live betting is that ok.... f'n A it is..... past post not so much..... find weak lines and bet them GO for it..... but all this doesn't guarantee a winner. The other day gamebookers hung a line 5 points out of market for the total...... still couldn't hit it. BTW it was NBA.

[pico]

How about this, use an ewallet to make a large deposit - the max allowed, then bet the game you want, if it wins you allow the transaction to go through, if it loses you put a stop payment on the funds coming out of your bank account.

You can also do this with a credit card and dispute the charge if you lose.

Book gets fukked if you lose and pays out if you win. Easy.

Pico, I thought you slanty eyed guys were smart.

If I could do this for a six figure amount I'd do it in a heartbeat, but it would only likely work for a few thousand dollars, not worth it imho.

you can only do it so many times. that is petty theft, not a long time strategy. you can do it for 6-7k max...that is big books. but a lot of books will wait until your fund is clear to let you withdraw. i.e. won;t let you take out money for cc deposits for 2 months. then you won;t able to do a charge back.

if you think couple k is a lot of money, then you haven;t gamble for long.

[betplom]

you can only do it so many times. that is petty theft, not a long time strategy. you can do it for 6-7k max...that is big books. but a lot of books will wait until your fund is clear to let you withdraw. i.e. won;t let you take out money for cc deposits for 2 months. then you won;t able to do a charge back.

if you think couple k is a lot of money, then you haven;t gamble for long.

"If I could do this for a six figure amount I'd do it in a heartbeat, but it would only likely work for a few thousand dollars, not worth it imho."

This is what I said, apparently your eyesight is failing.