Betus

[Estevens]

Wanted to let everyone know how betus works from one of it's employees, these guys are snakes they steal from as many of their clients as they can. They lie about past employees and don't treat their current employees like humans, God forbid you quit you have a better chance of lighting striking you then getting the money they owe you, the only way to get your money from them is to take them to court and then they will slow pay you for the max time they can.

Tommy and Joey will always yell at our managers, fom what I understand Tommy is an ok guy but Joey is just a nut case. I'm sure Joey really thinks he's the God Father. I will tell you the truth if you are looking for a stable book they are not it, even when they give you the 10% back every year you never trully get the 10% because there is what's called Joey's Tax where they take 10% from your 10%.

I just wonder if in their own country they think they are gods gift to man as well. Their Manager Ed <edit> is nothing but a low life Child molester he spends most of his time in his office looking at porn, he is like 500lbs and thinks he's a tough guy with his nica wife, but he's f**king Gianna in the office so he thinks he a king as well. <edit> AKA Dave Johnson was ok but he has always been in Canada, his only problem is he never thought his shit stunk.

They brought this clown Kevin <edit> in to over see the operations of the company, what a joke, this guy could not tell his ass from his elbow, things where bad befor he got their then he taught these guys even more tricks to not only not paying their clients but also their employees I think that's the only thing he knows how to do because everthing else went down hill fast everything started taking twice as long leave us the employees to have to make up reasons why their freeplay where not in or why their payout was taking so long what a joke.

All in all when a company F**ks it's own employees what do you think they will do to you, God forbid if you worked for them and then went to another sportsbook, we would have to lie to all the clients and tell them they where fired because they did things wrong or because the moved to the states, I feel so bad for all the lies I had to tell people because I feared for my job, it makes me want to go take a shower even while I am writing this because what they make you do is so dirty. If you guy's have any questions I will be on most of today then I will have to hide because from what I heard the last guy who did this they put a hit out on him.

[RiverMan]

how do you know all this?

[Estevens]

I worked for them for 2 years

[SBR_John]

I'm going to stick this thread at the top for a day. This guy knows his stuff. His warning could save players from being abused and even ripped off.

Thanks for taking the time to share your expierence Estevens.

[SBR_John]

btw, we are going to edit out last names and first names if requested.

Poster, please do not use real names. Thank you.

[Estevens]

Guy's listen to me this is a company that does not need to be around to steal more money from people come next football season everyone should take their money out, they do not even have enough band with for their company they would always have us closing our CRM so the entire site would not crash, poor excuse for a company

[Estevens]

btw, we are going to edit out last names and first names if requested.

Poster, please do not use real names. Thank you.

John from what I understand sorry about that

[LargeMouthBass]

So how does BetUS screw their emplyees? All the Customer Reps are brainwashed into lying and not get paid themselves?

[Shuswapper]

Wanted to let everyone know how betus works from one of it's employees, these guys are snakes they steal from as many of their clients as they can. They lie about past employees and don't treat their current employees like humans, God forbid you quit you have a better chance of lighting striking you then getting the money they owe you, the only way to get your money from them is to take them to court and then they will slow pay you for the max time they can.

Tommy and Joey will always yell at our managers, fom what I understand Tommy is an ok guy but Joey is just a nut case. I'm sure Joey really thinks he's the God Father. I will tell you the truth if you are looking for a stable book they are not it, even when they give you the 10% back every year you never trully get the 10% because there is what's called Joey's Tax where they take 10% from your 10%.

I just wonder if in their own country they think they are gods gift to man as well. Their Manager Ed Evans is nothing but a low life Child molester he spends most of his time in his office looking at porn, he is like 500lbs and thinks he's a tough guy with his nica wife, but he's f**king Gianna in the office so he thinks he a king as well. <edit> AKA Dave Johnson was ok but he has always been in Canada, his only problem is he never thought his shit stunk.

They brought this clown Kevin <edit> in to over see the operations of the company, what a joke, this guy could not tell his ass from his elbow, things where bad befor he got their then he taught these guys even more tricks to not only not paying their clients but also their employees I think that's the only thing he knows how to do because everthing else went down hill fast everything started taking twice as long leave us the employees to have to make up reasons why their freeplay where not in or why their payout was taking so long what a joke.

All in all when a company F**ks it's own employees what do you think they will do to you, God forbid if you worked for them and then went to another sportsbook, we would have to lie to all the clients and tell them they where fired because they did things wrong or because the moved to the states, I feel so bad for all the lies I had to tell people because I feared for my job, it makes me want to go take a shower even while I am writing this because what they make you do is so dirty. If you guy's have any questions I will be on most of today then I will have to hide because from what I heard the last guy who did this they put a hit out on him.

Very important and courageous post. Sounds like a very similar book to Bodog. I have always felt the two books are owned by the same people. Any thoughts on that? I know this King guy used to be with Royal.

[Estevens]

Very important and courageous post. Sounds like a very similar book to Bodog. I have always felt the two books are owned by the same people. Any thoughts on that? I know this King guy used to be with Royal.

No they are not the same book, from what my manager told me they actually stole alot of Bodogs marketing people last year so Calvin hates them as well

[Estevens]

So how does BetUS screw their emplyees? All the Customer Reps are brainwashed into lying and not get paid themselves?

We are not brainwashed into anything however when you need the work here in Costa Rica we are making better money then if we where lawyers or doctors, so we have do what we are told even if we don't like it

[SBR_John]

Good jobs are very hard to come by in Costa Rica. The ones that get hired into sportsbooks doesnt know a good one from a bad one.

A few books really treat their employees like second class humans. They will threaten them and abuse them and short change them.

[tacomax]

I worked for them for 2 years

So why do you come in here and post with a holier than thou attitude? You worked there for 2 years and quite happily took your wages from them. You were willingly paid above average despite knowing what they do to their customers. But the minute that the gravy train grinds to a halt, you start badmouthing them. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust a thing you say.

[Shuswapper]

So why do you come in here and post with a holier than thou attitude? You worked there for 2 years and quite happily took your wages from them. You were willingly paid above average despite knowing what they do to their customers. But the minute that the gravy train grinds to a halt, you start badmouthing them. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust a thing you say.

So what, Estevens is the problem now. No one with half a brain can blame the sportsbook employees. The man{I assume} has laid it out pretty well how the management operates as thieves, basically. Estevens, I see your post over at MW was not welcomed warmly. Don't take it too hard. This Hawkins guy who runs it is worse than the worst of the sportsbook guys. He's a whore for the money. He'll sell himself for a Range Rover, that's for sure. Apparently he has a fifteen year old kid as one of his mods. You have to understand one thing. Like the guy on MW said, they don't give a f.... You did the right thing. And thanks for answering the question about whether Bodog owns BetUS. Or vice-versa. But don't be fooled, my friend. The Bodog "purported" owner is from the same cloth the BetUs guys are cut from, a real scum-bag. Don't take my word for it, all the major Canadian media are saying the same thing. Oh, and Assistant Internet Fraudster, go smoke some crack and jerk off to gay porn.Something within your capabilities.

[tacomax]

So what, Estevens is the problem now. No one with half a brain can blame the sportsbook employees. The man{I assume} has laid it out pretty well how the management operates as thieves, basically.

I didn't say that he was the problem. What I said that he worked there for 2 years by his own admission getting paid more than a doctor and presumably not requiring the experience or qualifications that a doctor would have. He also worked there for 2 years knowing it was a scam but he thought more about his paycheck than the people being ripped off.

I feel so bad for all the lies I had to tell people because I feared for my job

Yes, I'm sure he felt bad for telling lies for two years. And I'm damn sure that the monetary compensation he received for lying to the customers was adequate recompense.

[Estevens]

So why do you come in here and post with a holier than thou attitude? You worked there for 2 years and quite happily took your wages from them. You were willingly paid above average despite knowing what they do to their customers. But the minute that the gravy train grinds to a halt, you start badmouthing them. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't trust a thing you say.

Taco you are not very smart are you, for a long time you do not even see what's happening because all you do is take the request the owner have to say yes to every payout but by the time you figure it out your not happy, I guess you never had a job you where not happy with you have probably been at the same job your entire life so I guess you could not understand seeing that your such an informed poster lol

[Estevens]

So what, Estevens is the problem now. No one with half a brain can blame the sportsbook employees. The man{I assume} has laid it out pretty well how the management operates as thieves, basically. Estevens, I see your post over at MW was not welcomed warmly. Don't take it too hard. This Hawkins guy who runs it is worse than the worst of the sportsbook guys. He's a whore for the money. He'll sell himself for a Range Rover, that's for sure. Apparently he has a fifteen year old kid as one of his mods. You have to understand one thing. Like the guy on MW said, they don't give a f.... You did the right thing. And thanks for answering the question about whether Bodog owns BetUS. Or vice-versa. But don't be fooled, my friend. The Bodog "purported" owner is from the same cloth the BetUs guys are cut from, a real scum-bag. Don't take my word for it, all the major Canadian media are saying the same thing. Oh, and Assistant Internet Fraudster, go smoke some crack and jerk off to gay porn.Something within your capabilities.

Thanks Shuswapper, To be honest did not care if they liked it figured they would not seeing Betus advertises there but if one person puts there money in a better place then I'm happy

[LargeMouthBass]

I just got a huge package with calendar and everything... Why do they waste all this money and delay people's payments. These a-holes need to get run over by a tractor. DON'T EVER PUT MONEY ON BETUS!!!!!

[statguy]

I just got a huge package with calendar and everything... Why do they waste all this money and delay people's payments. These a-holes need to get run over by a tractor. DON'T EVER PUT MONEY ON BETUS!!!!!

They must do this nonsense to attract NEW suckers' money. After all, how are you going to pay the OLD suckers?

[BuddyBear]

Thanks Estevens for doing this very important public service....if you only end up helping one person you've done your job. Books like BetUs and Sportsbook.com are total trash and should be avoided at all costs. Unfortunately a minute percentage of online sports gamblers access these type of forums that can forwarn players and save them.

Thanks again....

[pags11]

estevens,

appreciate the honesty bro...

[tacomax]

Taco you are not very smart are you, for a long time you do not even see what's happening because all you do is take the request the owner have to say yes to every payout but by the time you figure it out your not happy, I guess you never had a job you where not happy with you have probably been at the same job your entire life so I guess you could not understand seeing that your such an informed poster lol

You might not think I'm smart but I'm smart enough that if I ever worked at a sportsbook I'd pretty quickly figure out if it was a shady operation. Simple things like talking to co-workers and realising that people simply aren't being paid. I'm also smart enough to leave a job I wasn't happy in - especially if that job involved lying to customers and cheating them on a regular basis. But yet not as smart as you, I guess.

I'll give you some credit (well not that much credit if you think about it) and assume it took you a year to find out what they were like. That means you worked there for a further 12 months at a very good wage knowing that you getting a very good wage from screwing the players.

But I'll leave it here. I'm sure you've justified it to yourself how you made some damn good money from BetUS and nothing anyone can say will make you think otherwise. If warning people now about what you have been profiting from for 2 years makes you feel better then carry on.

[Estevens]

You might not think I'm smart but I'm smart enough that if I ever worked at a sportsbook I'd pretty quickly figure out if it was a shady operation. Simple things like talking to co-workers and realising that people simply aren't being paid. I'm also smart enough to leave a job I wasn't happy in - especially if that job involved lying to customers and cheating them on a regular basis. But yet not as smart as you, I guess.

I'll give you some credit (well not that much credit if you think about it) and assume it took you a year to find out what they were like. That means you worked there for a further 12 months at a very good wage knowing that you getting a very good wage from screwing the players.

But I'll leave it here. I'm sure you've justified it to yourself how you made some damn good money from BetUS and nothing anyone can say will make you think otherwise. If warning people now about what you have been profiting from for 2 years makes you feel better then carry on.

I'm sorry taco I did not know your real name was Jesus Christ, I guess you never lie, never cheat, or stole anything in your life. I'm glad you can make money in lots of jobs in the US, maybe you should come down to my country and see what life is like you would leave every job after 10 minutes so go back with Bush and justify why you guys kill lot's of people for no reason so you can have all them jobs

[Shuswapper]

Yes, Estevens, if you had just done a better job, BetUs never would have conducted themselves in such an outrageous manner. It's your fault, damnit. You can't fool young TacoMax. Damnit!

[learn2play]

I am sorry Mr. EStevens but you have been working there for over 2 years. As what a sales clerk or something..... You very well knew what you were doing from day one and all because your fed up with your job or maybe they fired your ass is why you got the attitude you have now.

I know BetUS is shit but pays out and eventually. As long as I get my money is all I care about. Ya they are a half ass book but thats why I play with other books. I use BetUS for only baseball season and that it.

Stop your ranting and maybe get a real job, you stole and did your wrongs now live with the guilt of screwing people who trusted you.

[Estevens]

I am sorry Mr. EStevens but you have been working there for over 2 years. As what a sales clerk or something..... You very well knew what you were doing from day one and all because your fed up with your job or maybe they fired your ass is why you got the attitude you have now.

I know BetUS is shit but pays out and eventually. As long as I get my money is all I care about. Ya they are a half ass book but thats why I play with other books. I use BetUS for only baseball season and that it.

Stop your ranting and maybe get a real job, you stole and did your wrongs now live with the guilt of screwing people who trusted you.

LOL @ learn 2 play, I guess your name say's it all, do you realize you just contradicted your self. You must be so rich that you need money well my be not everyone one else is like that and could use the warning. I have a great idea why don't you go give your money to some poor guy on the street and when he becomes rich he will eventully give you the money back, your so generous not to need the money right now any way jajajaja, got to love smart people, but some day you will learn

[durito]

Some of you all obvisouly don't realize how difficult finding work is in much of latin america. Even for very intelligent and educated people it is difficult. Most people can't just quit their jobs and find a new one.

Imagine how much differen't your life would be if the unemployment rate in the US was 30+% instead of 5%.

[Mason]

Estevens sounds like he makes some valid points. He would have been better off though simply stating his case and not trying to take on Taco.

The use of real names, the uncalled for shot at the guy's wife simply for being Nicaraguan and his thinly veiled hatred for the USA make me think he's a completly racist turd.....Who probably happens to be right about the BetUS operation.

[Mover77]

This Estevens guy is a joke. He has no idea of what is going on in Betus more than the average square. Just some dumbass tico who thinks he's better than others cause he took the time post insults about the company. I have never seen ONE single player ever not get paid what they were owed (unless they were bonus scammers)the only problem is lately(past 2-3 months) the payouts have slowed down significantly because of the new legilsation in the USA makes most CC processors steer clear of Offshore books . what once took 2-3 days (some cases less than a day with neteller- but thats history) now takes 1-2 weeks sometimes(steps are being taken to clear that up). Please dont take information from a SALES CLERK to heart, they only care about themsleves and no one else. Trust me they dont complain one bit about receiveing their hourly wages or especially their COMISSION checks (which are bullshit they dont deserve).
Infact dont take any information from so-called sportsbook review sites like SBR/Gamblin911 they're all full of it too, i remember one site said that 5dimes was a great book because their line guys were the sharpest in the industry!hahahahaha, how stupid is that!@ Not only does 5dimes have some of the stupidest retards running their board (i swear all they do is copy/paste off of cris), but WHY IN THE HELL WOULD A PLAYER WANT A BOOK WITH THE SHARPEST LINEGUYS?????? why would they advertise that? Ok ill pick the book that i have the least chance getting a good line with pffft.... gotta be one of the stupidest things ive ever read. But this does prove that all so-called offshore gambling review sites do is take bribes from the very books theyre supposed to be rating. Dont trust anything you read on here, hell i dont even care if u dont trust what im writing but i gotta say it, ive read enough bs on these sites and i had to comment. The only true review sites ive found to be valid are those based in Europe where sports betting is legal and regulated.

[pags11]

betus= scam...

[Estevens]

This Estevens guy is a joke. He has no idea of what is going on in Betus more than the average square. Just some dumbass tico who thinks he's better than others cause he took the time post insults about the company. I have never seen ONE single player ever not get paid what they were owed (unless they were bonus scammers)the only problem is lately(past 2-3 months) the payouts have slowed down significantly because of the new legilsation in the USA makes most CC processors steer clear of Offshore books . what once took 2-3 days (some cases less than a day with neteller- but thats history) now takes 1-2 weeks sometimes(steps are being taken to clear that up). Please dont take information from a SALES CLERK to heart, they only care about themsleves and no one else. Trust me they dont complain one bit about receiveing their hourly wages or especially their COMISSION checks (which are bullshit they dont deserve).
Infact dont take any information from so-called sportsbook review sites like SBR/Gamblin911 they're all full of it too, i remember one site said that 5dimes was a great book because their line guys were the sharpest in the industry!hahahahaha, how stupid is that!@ Not only does 5dimes have some of the stupidest retards running their board (i swear all they do is copy/paste off of cris), but WHY IN THE HELL WOULD A PLAYER WANT A BOOK WITH THE SHARPEST LINEGUYS?????? why would they advertise that? Ok ill pick the book that i have the least chance getting a good line with pffft.... gotta be one of the stupidest things ive ever read. But this does prove that all so-called offshore gambling review sites do is take bribes from the very books theyre supposed to be rating. Dont trust anything you read on here, hell i dont even care if u dont trust what im writing but i gotta say it, ive read enough bs on these sites and i had to comment. The only true review sites ive found to be valid are those based in Europe where sports betting is legal and regulated.

Now this is a clasic Betus post, this makes me laugh I just winder who posted it james, will, naaah, Dave, or forman. Let's stop and anilize your post.

1st how would you know that I don't no shit if you do not work there, your first give away dipshit, or are you just trying to get my IP address like you did the last time someone who worked for you did the same thing, jaja To bad I use a proxy server and still keep my ip in costa rica you dumb mother fu@@ers.

2nd Betus has always said they don't care what these boards have said because they only go after te sqaures, maybe you dont work for BetUS but I would put my new new salary on it, even it the owners make more then that a minute (it still means alot to me).

Got to love the hit against the sites that posted the truth about BetUS being inditinded not like gambilnig911 or the offshore wire, of course out of the UK, (to funny) they don't even metion Betus name and say no one was using them after the new law went into effect, what a joke, they where using them up to the day they got busted, and this is only the first of many indictments against BetUS you can bet on that for sure.

People listen to me carefully, I'm only trying to help you, I will not give all the info I know in here but this company is dine with if you no any one who has money with them pray because they will not get their money back soon if at all right now. To the bpne head thad that wrote this, don't be so stupid next time remeber I still have friends on the inside and I could f**k you worse then you know, remeber interpol is right down the street from where you are you dumber mother f**kers, and I also no the owners are in Canada right now and you guys are scared because they may get picked up, booo cry me a river, ohhh and btw what made you think I was a sales person, first and last give away that you work for them, and just so your soory ass can think, I acully did not work there I worked for a differnt part of your company, a part where I had privey to a lot of info, I will not say more then that, so let's see if you respond again, I doubt it, jaja

[stuartfl]

go back with Bush and justify why you guys kill lot's of people for no reason so you can have all them jobs

Estevens, you pile of shit , you sound brilliant. Given the chance to live in our great country you would jump at the opportunity, don't kid yourself. Enjoy living in your third world country and blaming people like Bush and Americans for you miserable life.

[stuartfl]

You must be so rich that you need money well my be not everyone one else is like that and could use the warning . I have a great idea why don't you go give your money to some poor guy on the street and when he becomes rich he will eventully give you the money back, your so generous not to need the money right now any way jajajaja, got to love smart people, but some day you will learn

You are a retard.

[Mover77]

Estevens your funny, Im not saying I work for them or i dont work for them, u can think what you want; but i will say ive worked for a few books in different countries and i know that betus is not the kind of operation that doenst pay out customers for what theyre owed.... As far as these review sites go i already stated that they advertise falsehoods about books such as 5dimes(ie sharp lineguys- lol), so whats to stop them from printing bull about books that dont give in and pay them off? It seems to me you have very little industry experience and are just a disgruntled ex-employee whose only reason on this site is too gossip like a little girl. and btw i would bet my salary that you either are(were in ur case) or at least started out as a sales clerk... theyre all them same scum in everybook, and what could u possibly mean as u didnt work in one part of the company? if u were in something like processing then i guess u should really should be ashamed if you know for a fact that betus is a scam, cause you not only must have lied to customers but also threaten them when in fear of chargebacks. sounds to me like your sense of morality is ambiguous at best; at least theres a bunch of ppl on this forum that call you on your BS, enjoy your life and say hi the interpol for me lol.....

[learn2play]

I acully did not work there I worked for a differnt part of your company, a part where I had privey to a lot of info, I will not say more then that, so let's see if you respond again, I doubt it, jaja

OMG man you seriously are a shit eating liar, the reason I said you must be some low life sales clerk, is because you post is similar to a post made by a fired sales clerk a few months ago. After you admitting you didnt work for BetUS just makes you more of a liar and your posts just dig your hole deeper and deeper.

My personal opinion which I dont care if any gives a shit about is that you come off as an angry, racist, low life that has nothing better to do with his time. I have respect for some of the staff at BetUS (Not all) because even though they have this problem thier CS management have the respect to talk to the people and not avoid to speak to thier customers. Yes I have problems dealing with BetUS but I always received every cent I asked for... Yes its an inconvience to me to having to wait almost a month but I got my checks I asked for.

I had the run around too but do you see me posting bullshit...Do yourself a favor and go play in traffic...

take care