NICKY---Should ANYONE here at SBR be losing?????

Nicky Santoro · 11-13-09, 11:05 AM

99% of gamblers will always lose cause they can't stick with a system of only betting off #'s, etc.. they see a tv game, they have to bet it, no matter if there ain't a good price available. and SBR has mostly kids, so they will never listen. that's why most lose. they are too inexperienced to know better.

from age 15-20, i went broke 4x and i was working at mcdonald's and sometimes 3 jobs at once just to pay off gambling debts. that was not fun.. i learned from my mistakes and it made me a better gambler. i realized what i was doing wrong, and that was just betting games i liked at any line. I thought i was Jimmy The Greek, i thought i was good at predicting sports but predicting sports has nothing to do with winning. it's all about getting the best #..

until everyone here at sbr realize this, there will be no winners here.. they will all end up broke.

Fishhead · 11-13-09, 11:13 AM

Good insight and resume of your early life, thanks again Nicky.

G's pks · 11-13-09, 11:19 AM

If you seriously think only 1% are winning... I am part of the minority... I have a feeling a lot more than 1% are winning... maybe 15-20%...and i don't just mean this forum...where it does seem like the percentage due to 15-20 year old kids that are clueless causes a much lower rate.

Fishhead · 11-13-09, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by G's pks

If you seriously think only 1% are winning... I am part of the minority... I have a feeling a lot more than 1% are winning... maybe 15-20%...and i don't just mean this forum...where it does seem like the percentage due to 15-20 year old kids that are clueless causes a much lower rate.

The correct figure worldwide is about 2.89%..............

For this forum, between 3.7% and 4.9%

Nicky Santoro · 11-13-09, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by G's pks

If you seriously think only 1% are winning... I am part of the minority... I have a feeling a lot more than 1% are winning... maybe 15-20%...and i don't just mean this forum...where it does seem like the percentage due to 15-20 year old kids that are clueless causes a much lower rate.

come on man, you're saying close to 1 in 5 gamblers end up winning money over a lifetime?? funny, i must know the wrong crowd. i've come across in my lifetime of over 1,358 gamblers and i can only name 3 off the top of my head that are up lifetime. the rest are still paying off debts to their bookies or have gone broke or their wives have left them or are dead.

if you went with total % of gamblers worldwide that bet on sports..

i'd say 1-2% will end up in the black over a lifetime, and that's being generous..

G's pks · 11-13-09, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

The correct figure worldwide is about 2.89%..............

For this forum, between 3.7% and 4.9%

I think what changed me from when I was a kid to now is the fact I bet small, do this for entertainment and do not need the money now. That took all the pressure off me... Oh and me 2-7 plays max a week also helped.

G's pks · 11-13-09, 11:26 AM

I was the same way when younger I would lose... beat my head on the wall..overbet and like most here have that desperate feeling that I have to win it all back or go all in... In the end always fails...

Sam Odom · 11-13-09, 11:27 AM

95% of us are on the wrong side of the gambling counter. In all honesty I'm surprised Nicky isnt a bookie by now (if he isnt)

G's pks · 11-13-09, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

come on man, you're saying close to 1 in 5 gamblers end up winning money over a lifetime?? funny, i must know the wrong crowd. i've come across in my lifetime of over 1,358 gamblers and i can only name 3 off the top of my head that are up lifetime. the rest are still paying off debts to their bookies or have gone broke or their wives have left them or are dead.

if you went with total % of gamblers worldwide that bet on sports..

i'd say 1-2% will end up in the black over a lifetime, and that's being generous..

I have no way to prove disprove over a lifetime numbers... But hopefully it is over 1 to 2%! But looking and reading some of the reasoning in these forums for some of the plays makes you want to move over seas and run a book.

Fishhead · 11-13-09, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

95% of us are on the wrong side of the gambling counter. In all honesty I'm surprised Nicky isnt a bookie by now (if he isnt)

Why in the world would Nicky and myself want to be a bookie?????????

Nothing but a pain in the ass for what, a few bucks more(POSSIBLY).

Nicky and I have hashed this on many forums before.

IT IS MUCH BETTER TO BE A WINNER ON THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTER THEN ON THE OTHER.......FOR MANY REASONS!!

ONE BIG ONE is that this side is not ILLEGAL!!

Nicky Santoro · 11-13-09, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

95% of us are on the wrong side of the gambling counter. In all honesty I'm surprised Nicky isnt a bookie by now (if he isnt)

sammy, i was for a very long time before i found offshore. i figured i'd sleep better at night knowing my door won't be busted down anymore, like it was a few times when i was a bookie.i had sleepless nights, not anymore..

offshore and online gambling is the GREATEST thing that ever happened..

thank you AL GORE for inventing the INTERNET..

Fishhead · 11-13-09, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by Nicky Santoro

sammy, i was for a very long time before i found offshore. i figured i'd sleep better at night knowing my door won't be busted down anymore, like it was a few times when i was a bookie.i had sleepless nights, not anymore..

offshore and online gambling is the GREATEST thing that ever happened..

thank you AL GORE for inventing the INTERNET..

I would like to give thanks to AL also.........

Sam Odom · 11-13-09, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Fishhead

IT IS MUCH BETTER TO BE A WINNER ON THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTER THEN ON THE OTHER......

That statement is true however

But what % are winners on our side v. the 'winners' who are taking our bets on the WHOLE ?

Nicky Santoro · 11-13-09, 11:35 AM

Originally posted by Sam Odom

95% of us are on the wrong side of the gambling counter. In all honesty I'm surprised Nicky isnt a bookie by now (if he isnt)

i am a bookie now, but legally and by that, i mean by betting offshore. here is how.

when bookies have yankees -170/+160..

i most often can get dog +170 at matchy, thus making it like i am a bookie booking bets at -170 from my customers and i can put as much or little as i want. i am in control. so i am a bookie, but legally..

Chi_archie · 11-13-09, 11:36 AM

the question really should be, how can anyone be winning here at sbr?

we are mostly retards

Fishhead · 11-13-09, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by nicky santoro

i am a bookie now, but legally and by that, i mean by betting offshore. Here is how.

When bookies have yankees -170/+160..

I most often can get dog +170 at matchy, thus making it like i am a bookie booking bets at -170 from my customers and i can put as much or little as i want. I am in control. So i am a bookie, but legally..

bingooooooooooo!

ABEHONEST · 11-13-09, 12:22 PM

I disagree about all these losers .
I would say more like this ...under the age of 30, 90,95 % lose...over the age of 40, 85% lose .
But the sharp player's are winning a great percentage of money that the suckers lose .

So now,I am guessing that the sharp player's win 60 %,the very good,maybe 75% of the time ?
#1 What it comes down to win winning or losing is...self discipline,[don't blow all your winnings for example,on one evening game when you have rocked your book with 4 winners in a row that same day.
#2 The other key factor is simply being a smart gambler .

I,for instance ,was usually a smart gambler,but my downfall, sometimes, would be that #1 factor ,"trying to break the bookie's bank "!

ABEHONEST · 11-13-09, 01:26 PM

There are some flawed estimates on the winning percentages !

I actually meant ,...the sharp player's probably win 60,to 75 % percent of the time .
So I am going to edit the above post .

durito · 11-13-09, 01:28 PM

no one wins 60% of the time at -110

poker_dummy101 · 11-13-09, 01:30 PM

Another thread to show how big fishhead thinks his e-pene is

Chi_archie · 11-13-09, 01:31 PM

60-75% of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

where would they play if that were THAT good??? after a year you'd be almost a billionare and who would book your action if you were that sharp at the #'s you needed to get down for your bankroll?

ABEHONEST · 11-13-09, 01:35 PM

WRONG !
It certainly was better 20/25 years ago for the gambler .
There were many more sharpies beating the less smarter Books ,in those days .

Nowadays ,what I would describe a "sharpie" as being,would be is the one's that are dedicated to winning ,and must work many hours getting that high winning percentage !

durito · 11-13-09, 01:39 PM

I'll bet you 100k at +150 you can't hit 65% or better on your next 1,000 plays at -110

ABEHONEST · 11-13-09, 01:44 PM

Didn't say I was one of those "sharpies" Durito !

Fish might disagree with you though ?