Is BETPHOENIX underrated at B+ ?

tblues2005 · 11-10-09, 02:03 PM

I have Bet phoenix and the only problem is that I have to have a 8x rollover or at times a 12x rollover and that is kind of high to me. This is a minor problem though. It is not a big deal to me on that. Other than that I seem to have no problems with them at all currently.

Ruifgalmeida · 11-10-09, 02:12 PM

standart bonus roolover with high odds bookie it think it is just fine

Thremp · 11-10-09, 02:34 PM

Expanding payouts would be a big plus. Neteller is still a non-standard withdrawal option despite taking deposits and advertising it as such. The payouts weekly are extremely low for a book that wants to be a larger player. In addition there is a limited ability to xfer to other books.

All these things are being addressed. Neteller went from "lol doesn't happen" to "sometimes it works, sometimes no, maybe we send you NT... maybe MB..." which is an upgrade. The payouts need improvement along with the ability to xfer to other books, incoming/outgoing.

In addition, the support of PPH shops needs something different. The BetOT fiasco was a little loltarded. Does Phoenix back all its minion shops or will it cut them loose?

BubbleBobble · 11-10-09, 02:36 PM

Usually i would say no, because they haven't beem around long enuf for A, but....
Bet Online is A so Phx should be at least that too shrug.

fixxer · 11-10-09, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by betphoenix

We did some tech changes that affected emails for a few days due to exchange policy, and also memory size for the server. I will take that one on the chin as my fault. Has it been ok recently?

We share a main principal with DSI, which is no Industry secret.

I cannot answer this question, as since this, I didn't play at Betphoenix.

Such bad experiences can make bettors reconsider playing at a bookie....the quality of the support is a main factor for me.

If I read good reviews from the improving of the support, I'll probably give BP a chance in the future tho...

fixxer · 11-10-09, 02:49 PM

About rollover...

8x rollover, which is on the winnings from the freebet, with only risk/win ammount count in the rollover seems a little bit too much compared to other bookmakers, yes...BUT....

...Betphoenix offers very generous (100% up to a lot...) bonuses VERY OFTEN (last time at Halloween), so it's very acceptable IMHO...I rather like a bookie offering lot bonuses with relatively big rollover, than a bookie what offers nothing, or offers "unbelievably good" bonuses, which ends in a closing bookmaker, just as Gold Victory did.
Not to mention, offering bonuses have nothing to do with the grade of a bookmaker....IMHO Pinnacle is the best office in the market, and they just ended all their actual and future bonus offers.

Dark Horse · 11-10-09, 03:21 PM

Can SBR ratings still be a guiding light in a shadowy world, when the transition from watchdog to sportsbook is in full swing?

patswin · 11-10-09, 04:24 PM

B+ or A- is about right I think. Top notch book right now

Stumpage · 11-10-09, 04:37 PM

Looks like you can have payouts processed directly on line now, as a drop-down box now appears under "Payout Method" listing a variety of withdrawal options. This didn't exist previously, as I was told by CS that all withdrawal requests had to be submitted either through email or Livechat.

Anyway, that's a good move, as personally I always found it a little disconcerting that the standard online method was not available in the first place, while every other book in the known universe has it.

king · 11-10-09, 05:38 PM

BetPhoenix is not a new sportsbook. I have found them a long time ago but could not find any infomation on this forum at that time. when I use to lurk on the forums, but for sure they have been around for some time when I found them in 2006. I have seen BetUS with a B a couple of months ago and BetPhoenix is way better then them in many aspect. From the reviews I see from people here they do thing like most of the A books do.

j-e-t-s jets · 11-10-09, 08:46 PM

Originally posted by Stumpage

Looks like you can have payouts processed directly on line now, as a drop-down box now appears under "Payout Method" listing a variety of withdrawal options. This didn't exist previously, as I was told by CS that all withdrawal requests had to be submitted either through email or Livechat.

Anyway, that's a good move, as personally I always found it a little disconcerting that the standard online method was not available in the first place, while every other book in the known universe has it.

I noticed the only payout options are Neteller and Money Bookers....are either of these available for US residents.

BetPhoenix...help us understand this one...why don't you have the **, cashiers check, or bank wire available in the drop down??

Thanks

acarmelo1 · 11-10-09, 08:50 PM

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durito · 11-10-09, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by king

BetPhoenix is not a new sportsbook. I have found them a long time ago but could not find any infomation on this forum at that time. when I use to lurk on the forums, but for sure they have been around for some time when I found them in 2006. I have seen BetUS with a B a couple of months ago and BetPhoenix is way better then them in many aspect. From the reviews I see from people here they do thing like most of the A books do.

BetUS has never been higher than C-

davidchong · 11-10-09, 09:17 PM

rated books with A, A- and A+, should have the hability to process withdrawl maximum 6 hours from the time of request; and books rated B, B- and B+, maximun 12 hours...

then, the quality of customer services, lines, odds, promos, and other, will determinate the final grade of each one,

Fishhead · 11-12-09, 12:24 AM

SirChevron · 11-12-09, 12:30 AM

I love the quick payouts, my new favorite book

Donadon · 11-12-09, 04:30 AM

I like betphoenix alot, one of my fav books around.

Their email support is almost non-existent I agree, but live chat is always on and phone service is excellent too, I had been ordering plays and b2b transfers with matchbook over the phone and they all went smooth, no chasing required.
CS is great, always spot on.

The only downside I see are their limits, if they up them say twofold I would vote for them to become an A+ book with both hands

saro7 · 11-12-09, 07:33 AM

I would say so.

Chi_archie · 11-12-09, 07:37 AM

they are very solid

j-e-t-s jets · 11-12-09, 10:24 AM

Not an A book

I take back a little of my earlier praise. BetPhoenix is not in the class of Greek etc yet becasue of their withdrawal policies.

I made a request this week for 3,000 (check)....and later in the week asked for a book to book transfer for 1,500....I was told that I can not make the book to book transfer based on my previous request this week (the max per week is 4,000).

My problem with this is two fold:

1) I've received bank wires for 8,000 + from the Greek in 2 days (no questions asked or limits per week). At the greek you are entitled to YOUR money whenever you want (THE WAY A true A book operates).

2) If BetPhoenix gives the excuse that the limits are due to processor restrictions and it is the government to blame- this should no impact book to book transfers. If you want to limit weekly payouts to 4,000/week via check I completly understand but this SHOULD NOT impact book to book transfers.

A solid book that I like- but need not A class for sure

j-e-t-s jets · 11-12-09, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by j-e-t-s jets

I take back a little of my earlier praise. BetPhoenix is not in the class of Greek etc yet becasue of their withdrawal policies.

I made a request this week for 3,000 (check)....and later in the week asked for a book to book transfer for 1,500....I was told that I can not make the book to book transfer based on my previous request this week (the max per week is 4,000).

My problem with this is two fold:

1) I've received bank wires for 8,000 + from the Greek in 2 days (no questions asked or limits per week). At the greek you are entitled to YOUR money whenever you want (THE WAY A true A book operates).

2) If BetPhoenix gives the excuse that the limits are due to processor restrictions and it is the government to blame- this should no impact book to book transfers. If you want to limit weekly payouts to 4,000/week via check I completly understand but this SHOULD NOT impact book to book transfers.

A solid book that I like- but need not A class for sure

Also must call out- NO LIMITS on incoming book to book transfers............................... ... If you don't have limits on incoming how can you limit outgoing??? BetPhoenix...if you want to play with the big boys you need to step up and act like them. BetPhoenix is a solid B book at this point in time. I will be the first to give them an A or A+ if they step up some of these issues.

themajormt · 11-12-09, 11:04 AM

Have they acknowledged WHY they are not paying true odds on parlays?? I have posted a few times about this...

SBR_John · 11-12-09, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by katstale

Doing my good deed for the day. Now you have heard. They will shy away from INTERNET business, not phone business. But the record should always be kept as straight as possible. Wally, can I come back?

There is a book on here right now that bought itself an A- rating and never earned it at all. Everyyone knows who that is. They have since been shipped down to where they always belonged, B-

Everyone knows I am not a shill. Only a few books will treat me kind. Richard and Phoenix, from day one, has been a class act. Not many books take the short end of the stick to bolster their image. Phoenix has done this consistently.

Once they had their Neteller issue worked out--they should have been raised to an A- then. SBR is aware of the deep pockets behind Phoenix.

One year from now will be A+. I am drooling over being able to play at an exchange run by these folks.

Full disclosure: I can not receive any more bonuses, so this is not a paid adv.

Good write up.

They certainly remind us often that they should be in the A group.

And yes they do have deep pockets but they also have a lot of expenses ramping up a new facility and have a lot of aggressive business/investment plans.

They probably will be a A- book in the near future or next year but way too early to call them a future A+ book imo.

Johnpoints · 11-12-09, 11:44 AM

Well said SBR John

Santo · 11-12-09, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by themajormt

Have they acknowledged WHY they are not paying true odds on parlays?? I have posted a few times about this...

I thought Richard updated your thread a few days ago that they are now paying true odds?

shady08322 · 11-12-09, 12:15 PM

Wish I could play at Pinny. Miss that place

JELLYBEAN · 11-12-09, 12:22 PM

So who owns this place.........deep pockets means shit............I know a lot of guys with deep pockets whose arms are always the same length. Does an asian crew own it? Does a former guy who has offshores in the past, left for a while, then came back own it?

This book will not take a bet on the net. Once they are not scared to book everyone, then you can consider them more elite. I am sure there credit side is allowed to wager what ever they want. I have yet to get myself in, the agent I know who can I do not trust.

Wait 3 years and get back to me with this place

soxwin1917 · 11-12-09, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by JELLYBEAN

So who owns this place.........deep pockets means shit............I know a lot of guys with deep pockets whose arms are always the same length. Does an asian crew own it? Does a former guy who has offshores in the past, left for a while, then came back own it?

This book will not take a bet on the net. Once they are not scared to book everyone, then you can consider them more elite. I am sure there credit side is allowed to wager what ever they want. I have yet to get myself in, the agent I know who can I do not trust.

Wait 3 years and get back to me with this place

themajormt · 11-12-09, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Santo

I thought Richard updated your thread a few days ago that they are now paying true odds?

Santo, I went back and searched all the threads I posted in and couldnt find it...

tblues2005 · 11-12-09, 02:08 PM

SBRJohn good point. The only thing that I have against them is the phone calls to deposit more into your account. That is an issue with me especially when I am ahead for this year and I don't need to deposit more. That is why I put Bet Jamaica ahead of them because I don't get any phone calls from them at all and I am even in a contest with the pick 15.

Dunder · 11-12-09, 06:19 PM

Any bookie that only offers accounts in one currency (USD in this case) can´t be A rated in my book.
Whilst it is easy for me to get around/minimise transaction costs, others are not so lucky.

Every A rated book allows you to deposit/withdraw in at the very least USD, EUR or GBP.

Aside from this they are a good bookie.

pjesnik24 · 11-12-09, 06:24 PM

I believe that they offer euro currency. at lest I am playing in euros at sports-1

Dunder · 11-12-09, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by pjesnik24

I believe that they offer euro currency. at lest I am playing in euros at sports-1

They can show your account balance and you can make bets in EUR, but can you deposit/withdraw in EUR. If so, how? All their banking options are USD only (same for Sports-1).

HedgeHog · 11-12-09, 07:47 PM

Took me a long time to come around, but they are definitely an A Book.

pjesnik24 · 11-12-09, 07:54 PM

just contact their CS. withdraw also goes through livechat.