Was this the badbeat of the decade ?

TarHeelJ · 11-03-09, 12:38 AM

F*ck Mike Bell

DrStale · 11-03-09, 12:39 AM

Are you seriously questioning the decision by the Falcons to kick the field goal down by 11 on 4th and 13 with 28 seconds left?

ipickwinners · 11-03-09, 12:42 AM

ive had over 20 worse backdoor losses than this game and ive only been betting for 4 years....this in no way is even close to top 50 worst backdoor covers for the dog....maybe for saints backers, i have no idea....but ever? not even close

Hotdiggity11 · 11-03-09, 12:43 AM

They had to kick a FG anyways to get within 8. Duh.

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 12:43 AM

Nooo,I was only joking !
Dr.Stale get in the real world of gambling,95 % of Saints better's will hardly sleep tonight over that brainbashing loss !

mr. leisure · 11-03-09, 12:43 AM

Indiana was alot worse

zubzub · 11-03-09, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by DrStale

Are you seriously questioning the decision by the Falcons to kick the field goal down by 11 on 4th and 13 with 28 seconds left?

I really hope the hell not

zubzub · 11-03-09, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by mr. leisure

Indiana was alot worse

yeah, Indiana/Iowa was way worse than this.

pavyracer · 11-03-09, 12:46 AM

+11 was only available late. And thank the refs for the Saints ML win because they called a phantom hold on 3rd and 5 on an incomplete pass on Saints 20 yard line with the score 28-24.

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by mr. leisure

Indiana was alot worse

Originally posted by zubzub

yeah, Indiana/Iowa was way worse than this.

Nope Leisure !
You were supposed to lose that game right ?
When did Iowa score their last TD ?
This game was bagged for probably 75 %, or even 85% of all players on this game !
Why go for a risky FG,you still have to score a TD and 2pnts. and with only a few seconds left by then .
Get the TD and you may kick a 60 yard FG with few seconds left .
That call just doesn't make good mathematics [Mr.Stale] or whomever disagrees !

Gemoka · 11-03-09, 12:56 AM

wow
switched it off thought Saints had covered

DrStale · 11-03-09, 01:46 AM

Dude, you are out of your mind. What are the odds they would convert a 4th and 13? Let alone getting out of bounds afterwards. You had 3 points locked up and you needed 2 scores regardless. This wasn't even questionable. Good luck finding anybody on this forum to back your opinion.

landers781 · 11-03-09, 01:53 AM

They needed to try for the fg and go for the onside kick which they got. If they don't convert the game is over, if they get the 3 points then then have another shot to get a hail mary td

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 01:58 AM

Well duh Dr. Stale !
To be honest I wasn't watching the game ...but what better chance did ATLANTA have to score a TD ?
Right there while they were close and time running out !
Then ,after that miracle they could then kick that crappy FG .
Find me someone with better math logic on that one Doc because you just don' get it !
And there is no gimmie Fg,didn't Atl miss two already ?
Go to bed Doc and wake up tomorrow and start thinking like the old pro .
Uh,that's me !

Help ,you SBR loser's that lost on the Saints ?

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by DrStale

Dude, you are out of your mind. What are the odds they would convert a 4th and 13? Let alone getting out of bounds afterwards. You had 3 points locked up and you needed 2 scores regardless. This wasn't even questionable. Good luck finding anybody on this forum to back your opinion.

And further more silly boy ,what are the odds that they will ever in that crazy game, get that close to the end zone again ?

zubzub · 11-03-09, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by ABEHONEST

To be honest I wasn't watching the game

Gee, what a shock.

You put the points on the board, take the 3, get yourself within range of the tie with another score. I understand your train of thought re: heightened probability of getting the TD from the 23 yd. line as opposed to where an onside kick would be recovered but I say you take the 3 there. Most coaches I think would agree and so much so in fact that they'd think to do otherwise would not be a consideration.

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 02:11 AM

Originally posted by landers781

They needed to try for the fg and go for the onside kick which they got. If they don't convert the game is over, if they get the 3 points then then have another shot to get a hail mary td

Really Landers ?
The game was 99.5 % over when the idiots kicked a 40 yard Fg .
With a TD it's only 85 %,95% over!
That's winning math !

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by zubzub

Gee, what a shock.

You put the points on the board, take the 3, get yourself within range of the tie with another score. I understand your train of thought re: heightened probability of getting the TD from the 23 yd. line as opposed to where an onside kick would be recovered but I say you take the 3 there. Most coaches I think would agree and so much so in fact that they'd think to do otherwise would not be a consideration.

Now that does sound a little more reasonable,but, with a TD and the recovery,you still have approx. 20 seconds to set up for that winning FG .
With a recovery after the FG ,you still have to throw crazy desperation passes .
Which scenario who you rather have ?

zubzub · 11-03-09, 02:33 AM

Its true, there can be a debate made for what you're saying. So much ingrained into the psyche of coaches/fans is "take the points" though that it'd take a very brave coach to bypass taking the 3.

Especially here bcuz they were down 11 so they'd have to have gotten the 2 point conversion as well which, yes, you'll say they'd have to have gotten that at some point anyway but bottom line is if they'd have gone for the TD, gotten it, then missed the 2 pointer they'd still have needed another TD and Atlanta media would have crucified Falcons Coaching staff.

Down 10 your argument is (at least) more viable: Get TD (from 23 yd. line is certainly not a "desperation" pass), get PAT, get onside kick. Then all you have to do is work the sidelines to setup for FG.

I see where you're coming from.....arguably your approach takes desperation passes out of the equation but if failure is encountered at any step along the way.....getting initial TD, making 2 pt conversion, recovering onside kick, accomplishing sideline pass(es) then making FG......

It would take ages to explain your decision to not just take the 3......to the fans and media. And many of them would never understand it.

Shortstop · 11-03-09, 02:53 AM

Kicking the field goal was the right decision. There's no debating this.

Shortstop · 11-03-09, 02:56 AM

I don't understand why it would even be considered a "bad beat"

I've seen much, much, much worse than this...

zubzub · 11-03-09, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by Shortstop

I don't understand why it would even be considered a "bad beat"

I've seen much, much, much worse than this...

It was a "bad beat" for those who got -9.5s, -10s and -10.5s (even those who took -11 cuz they coulda got out with Push instead of Loss) cuz Mike Bell needs to have both hands on the ball and not fumble it there.

Both hands on the ball like Michael The Burner Turner was doing....all night long.

But yeah, it was nowhere near the worst of "bad beats".

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by zubzub

It was a "bad beat" for those who got -9.5s, -10s and -10.5s (even those who took -11 cuz they coulda got out with Push instead of Loss) cuz Mike Bell needs to have both hands on the ball and not fumble it there. Both hands on the ball like Michael The Burner Turner was doing....all night long. But yeah, it was nowhere near the worst of "bad beats".

Excellent points ZubaDubDub,however,it has to been a terrible terrible way to lose for all the players both sides !
That alone is why it is one of the WORST BADBEATS forever !
The poor souls betting on Saints-8,8 1/2,9,9 1/2,-10 lose the heart breaker .
here's is the major reason it's a classic...
90/95 % of wagers on both teams were going to cash in,but up jumped the "devil",and probably only 45 % percent of wagers were cashed in !
That's a Major Tsunami of difference !

blix177 · 11-03-09, 01:32 PM

Iowa and Penn St. beat this by a mile

Sam Odom · 11-03-09, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Shortstop

I don't understand why it would even be considered a "bad beat"

I've seen much, much, much worse than this...

What he said

zubzub · 11-03-09, 01:38 PM

"Devilz in the details", or so I've heard.

Detailz such as, when you just need to RUN CLOCK

don't UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE FUMBLE.

Mikey Bell, just another brick in the wall....sqaurebettor's prison

only rare glimpses of sunlight

Full disclosure: I was amongst them, Saints -10, -11.

45% cashed there? Oh you're high so high.

OperatorX · 11-03-09, 01:41 PM

The last UFC fight between Machita and Rua had to be up there too, that wasn't even close.. that one really hurt me.

ABEHONEST · 11-03-09, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by blix177

Iowa and Penn St. beat this by a mile

Huge diff. shorty !
When did Iowa score their last touchdown ?
And after scoring 3 TD'S in the 4th Q,Iowa was certainly scaring the hell out of the Indiana betters by then,so ,no shock .

But last night ...ugh,the game is 95% over, right ?
Then the turnover to Atl.,and it's still 95% over with [+11,or -8 1/2 ]
No one on earth is looking for a FG,trailing by 11, with under a minute to go in the fkd up game ?

ABEHONEST · 11-04-09, 06:53 PM

Just bought this back for one more deserving closing statement.....