Baseball Total Grading Issue in Suspended Game

[Newguyintown]

Rule: When wagering on total runs (Over/Under) the game must go 9 innings (8.5 if the home team is ahead) to have Action. If a game is called or suspended in extra innings, the score will be determined after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie, or takes the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in which case the score is determined at the time the game is called.

I had Milwaukee/Florida UNDER.

Does anyone understand what the hell this is saying? Did I win this bitch?


NG

[bigboydan]

I understand what your saying bud, but I don't know the answer at this time.

What book did you bet it with?

[Halo]

Which book is this?

[moses millsap]

if they cALL the game and it ends in a tie, i believe you will win the wager...this rule just happens to grade the last full inning, which seems to be irrelevant in this game

[Relentless]

had under also - graded a win.

game went 9 innings.

[bigboydan]

Heres the rule on this one:

If a game goes past 9 innings and is not completed (ie suspended, curfew, rain delay, etc.), there is action on game total and runline wagers.

[Newguyintown]

Another dispute form GREEK

# For runlines and game totals (over/under), a baseball game becomes official after 8 1/2 innings if home team is winning, or 9 innings if visiting team is winning.

# If a game goes past 9 innings and is not completed (ie suspended, curfew, rain delay, etc.), there is action on game total and runline wagers.

They graded it a PUSH and I called and they have corrected it. LOL 2 books grade it as push and I call them up and they immediately change it. LOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Just if you bet this game, look at the rules closely and call and bitch.

NG

[bigboydan]

If you bet it at 5Dimes make sure you check it out for sure. They have been notorious in the past to grade winners as losers.

[Newguyintown]

Third set of rules- WSEX

# If the home team is leading, the game is official after 4 1/2 innings. Thereafter, if a game is called or suspended, the winner is determined based on the score after the last full inning unless the home team scores to tie or take the lead in the bottom half of the inning, in which case the winner is determined by the score at the time the game is called.

# For Interactive wagering, all proposition bets, and wagers on total runs and run lines, the game must go 9 innings (8 1/2 if the home team is ahead) for there to be action.

(LIVE INNINGS * If game is postponed or cancelled, all completed innings are final.) *not sure if relevant

Unlike the others they do not get specific and this is as close as it gets. Right now they have not graded it, but to me this sounds like it should be a win. Doesnt it?


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[Newguyintown]

Good to know Dan!

Every now and again I start grading religiously and actually FIND mistakes....its scary because I normally don't even look. This one was the exception cuz I had no idea.

NG

[Newguyintown]

I called WSEX, they are going to grade it in the morning and aren't sure how to adress this.

LOL- my first foray into baseball betting and I have a situation that undoubtedly must come up 50 times a season and they have no rule to address this?? WSEX is one of the pioneers of the industry and how coudl there not be anything that specifically addresses this? From what I quoted above, it does sound like a win to me and I hope they grade it that way.


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[Santo]

Actually the continuance of a game is a new rule this year. If the game had been called and had to be restarted it might be easier.

[DrSlamm]

rules changed this year is why

[LT Profits]

As far as I know, EVERY BOOK has the same rule on this:

Totals and Run Lines are official after 9 innings (8.5 if home team is winning)

Money Lines are official after 5 innings (4.5 if home team is winning)

For Totals and Run Lines, if a game is called in extra innings after a new inning has started, the official score will be what the score was at the end of the last completed inning.

For Money Lines, if a game is called after the 5th inning after a new inning has started, the official score will be what the score was at the end of the last completed inning unless the home team has just tied the game or taken the lead, in which case the official score will be the score at the time the game was called.

I think that covers all the possibilities. Am I missing something?

For this specific game, the Under is a Winner.

[LT Profits]

Oh and I might add that if one of the situations is not specifically addressed in the rules of a particular book (apparently run lines and totals needing to go nine innings at WSEX), they usually state somewhere in the rules that they use Las Vegas rules unless otherwise stated. Vegas rules are same as the ones I just posted in prior post.

[LT Profits]

Actually Newguyintown, reading your post, even WSEX is quite clear on this:

# For Interactive wagering, all proposition bets, and wagers on total runs and run lines, the game must go 9 innings (8 1/2 if the home team is ahead) for there to be action.

Therefore it is clear as day that the Under is a winner, and I do not see the need to wait until morning to grade it, but whatever.

[Newguyintown]

WSEX winner too.

Thanks for the help!

[Kaps]

so for run lines then, florida -1.5runs is a loser and milw+1.5runs is a winner?

Is that the take?

[RickySteve]

LOL- my first foray into baseball betting and I have a situation that undoubtedly must come up 50 times a season and they have no rule to address this??

You think games get suspended in extra innings 50 times per season? Betting on baseball may not be a good idea for you.

[LT Profits]

Kaps, you are correct.

[Newguyintown]

You think games get suspended in extra innings 50 times per season? Betting on baseball may not be a good idea for you.

5 times?

[crackerjack]

I called WSEX, they are going to grade it in the morning and aren't sure how to adress this.

LOL- my first foray into baseball betting and I have a situation that undoubtedly must come up 50 times a season and they have no rule to address this?? WSEX is one of the pioneers of the industry and how coudl there not be anything that specifically addresses this? From what I quoted above, it does sound like a win to me and I hope they grade it that way.


NG

50 times? This is actually one of the first times that I can remember this happening in many seasons...

[Justin7]

The guys who grade games aren't nearly as bright as the linesmakers. I've seen some horrendous mistakes in grading, and received blank stares when I tried to explain why a decision was wrong.

If you have a complicated (or somewhat complicated as in this case) problem, the key is to speak to a person who is smart enough to follow you. If your first discussion with CSD doesn't resolve it (and it often won't - the first line of CS are average folks, and don't usually have a sports betting background), ask for either a CS manager or a lines manager.

When you speak to the manager, have your misgraded wagering ticket and the relevant rule from the website pasted into a text file - you can quickly refer to it, and forward it. With management types, you don't want to waste their time. If you give them the information they need for the correct decision, they'll do the right thing quickly.