Rampant in other professional sports, but these guys are supposedly squeaky clean? Are you telling me that LeBron hasn't dabbled? Or Kobe -- who is suddenly 35 going on 24 -- isn't sucking down antler spray right now?
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03-10-13 02:05 PM #1
Why are NBA players never linked to PED's?
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03-10-13 02:07 PM #2
I believe the majority of the players are clean.
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03-10-13 02:11 PM #3
Why would the league want to suspend Lebron or Kobe?
Just bad business.
Since there's no outcry from the general public and media it is all swept under the rug.
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03-10-13 02:14 PM #4
^^^ this guy is right.
Originally Posted by k13
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03-10-13 02:15 PM #5
Originally Posted by No coincidences
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03-10-13 02:17 PM #6
cause it doesnt matter how big they are, they only talk shit they actually dont fight or get rough only talk tough its the way of the NBA who cares how big they are
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03-10-13 02:22 PM #7
If you think taking PED's is just about getting "bigger".... Originally Posted by Mitchell88
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03-10-13 02:27 PM #8
Turkoglu is suspended for them right now isn't he? I'm sure there are a bunch of players using something.
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03-10-13 02:32 PM #9
didnt you hear? they are just big black dudes, only the whites are on the roids
It is wild how nobody in the nba ever gets caught with anything
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03-10-13 02:35 PM #10
The ped tests are skewed by all the marijuana in their systems.
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03-10-13 02:36 PM #11
Originally Posted by opie1988
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03-10-13 02:45 PM #12
come on opie we all know that was "doctor prescribed" just like aderall
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03-10-13 02:57 PM #13
getting bigger doesnt mean you will shoot the ball better
getting bigger in mlb means more home runs
nba is more of a skill game than baseball
baseball is all power
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03-10-13 03:00 PM #14
PED's aren't just about power though vyom. They help with endurance, getting over injuries quicker, etc. Originally Posted by vyomguy
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03-10-13 03:01 PM #15
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03-10-13 03:05 PM #16
Originally Posted by vyomguy
simple physics. 1/2MV(squared)
Transfer of kinetic energy. PED increases "power" by allowing these guys to swing the bat much faster. So the result of taking PED's will be much more noticeable in games like baseball, golf, tennis and to a less extent, football. However, the advantage gained in basketball would be minimal and mainly coming in the form of increased recovery time.
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03-10-13 03:06 PM #17
Yes it was. Thanks for the link k. Originally Posted by k13
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03-10-13 03:09 PM #18
You don't think that's a huge part of being a professional athlete? Originally Posted by The Kraken
Hell, I honestly believe that's why most athletes take PED's -- not necessarily to get bigger, but to improve endurance and ability to recover quicker from injury and/or fatigue.
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03-10-13 03:13 PM #19
Oh absolutely, we agree on that. But IMO, that's the biggest advantage gained by a basketball player taking PED's. at least in other sports, they get that plus an improvement in their skills and game, and not just related to the increased recovery time. Like vyom was saying, baseball guys hit more hr's and for better average and this is because increased hand speed, directly linked to the PED's. this wouldnt really benefit Kobe. It just seems basketball players have less to gain by taking them than guys that play other sports but not nothing to gain, just less.
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03-10-13 03:30 PM #20
PED's doen't really help in on-court performace. Thats why nobody talks about it in basketball. Originally Posted by No coincidences
But in baseball, it makes a HUGE difference in on-field performance. Thats why people talk about it.
You need to look at on-court performance improvement versus off-court improvements.
People dont care how quickly kobe recovers from injury...but they care how he performs on the court. PEDs doesnt help there.
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03-10-13 03:33 PM #21
So explain the rampant use among pitchers? Or cyclists? Originally Posted by The Kraken
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03-10-13 03:33 PM #22
Did you read the article k13 linked vyom? Originally Posted by vyomguy
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03-10-13 03:38 PM #23
Anything that compromises the integrity of the game and gives you an unfair advantage in any way, shape or form over the competition is wrong -- whether that means you're bigger and stronger or you've improved your endurance and ability to recover from injury.
I'm not willing to dismiss it with NBA players just because they haven't ballooned up like Barry Bonds.
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03-10-13 03:41 PM #24
Because arm speed is crucial in velocity and movement. At least scientifically. And PED's improve arm speed. I also think pitchers need more recovery time after throwing 100 pitches than a basketball player would need after playing a game. I played both basketball and baseball and even in high school after pitching a game, my arm or shoulder would be sore a day or two. On the other hand I could play bball all day and night 6 nights a week.
but I see your original point and would be surprised if it came out one day that most basketball guys are using some sore of PaeD's. anytime this much money is on the line people look for every advantage.
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03-10-13 03:43 PM #25
People are ignorant thats why. Look how long it took people to admit the baseball heroes were taking, people like Rick Barry would protect Bonds for years on the radio saying he seen Bonds work ethic, crap crap crap.....
But your right they wont bust people like Lebron, can you imagine if Lebron was caught, basketball would go upside down
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03-10-13 03:44 PM #26
Rashard Lewis was suspended for PED's a few years back
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03-10-13 03:44 PM #27
I have no doubt that it is personally -- I just don't think anything will ever be done about it because no one seems to be interested (short of a big-name guy getting busted, which given the NBA's lack of interest in the truth and protection of its stars, I'd say has less than zero chance of happening). Originally Posted by The Kraken
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03-10-13 04:21 PM #28
There has been whisper of scandal brewing involving LeBron and a PED clinic in Florida. People I talk to believe their sources. Who knows though.
If it comes out to be true, LeBron fanboys will go off the deep end.
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03-10-13 04:27 PM #29
its very possible that nba players use PEDS
look no further than the lakers
howard less than a year removed from back surgery is playing full time basketball
kobe in his 16th year, led the league in scoring for much of the year and is his highest fg% as well
although i doubt either one is doping, people should not dismiss the notion that PEDs do not help nba players
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03-10-13 04:47 PM #30
California/Florida is where its at. Originally Posted by ChalkyDog
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03-10-13 04:49 PM #31
Check out the acronym for PED and educate yourself before you try to claim that PED's can't help basketball players. Those things turn people into super athletes. Jumping higher, running faster, playing sports for longer, and it makes them a step quicker than the clean athletes. They have roids to help with all kinds of different things, but not all PED's are steroids, and they are not just associated with gaining strength, although who wouldn't benefit from being a little bit stronger playing any sport?
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03-10-13 04:51 PM #32
Originally Posted by vyomguy
Dumb post above...are you saying PEDs won't help a hoops guy run faster, jump higher, be more explosive, perform at a higher level day in or day out? If you don't think PEDs won't increase performance in all sports you are wrong.
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03-10-13 04:53 PM #33
I think his point is that PED's don't enhance performance with drugs. Originally Posted by Mr. Peepers
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03-10-13 04:57 PM #34
Originally Posted by Pabinator
Would it really send the NBA upside down? Nobody in there right mind can honestly think these thugs are clean...if the whole league was busted it wouldn't matter. People would still go to 0-3 games a yr. League is in trouble regardless. It's a step below the WWE
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03-10-13 05:16 PM #35
I don't think it's really an issue in the NBA.
Lebron was a freak of nature in high school and Kobe has always been a great player. Also, it's not like we have seen any crazy transformations in the player's physiques like we saw with all the MLB players.
The only real use I could see in basketball is endurance but I think the majority of the league is probably clean as far as PEDs. Weed is another story but who cares.
I've worked out with people that have used PEDs and have a pretty good knowledge of them. If players are using them in the league, it's most likely for endurance purposes.
Lebron's physique doesn't look like someone on roids. He just looks like a big black man with great genetics other than his hair line.
It's not like Kobe is really buff either. He has a rather lean physiques and looks like someone who has been playing basketball for a living 16 straight years.
Look at Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook. Do those guys look like they are on roids? I realize you don't have to be huge to be on something (Lance Armstrong) but I don't see all the freakish veins popping out of these guys like you would with all the sknny cyclists that were on them.
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