Beat The Prick Payouts

[StraitShooter]

I still have not beat the prick despite how shitty he is doing, meanwhile I go 5-1 and in the BetPhoenix linesman contest this week and only the top player gets paid.

hopefully i can beat the prick this week

yeah..I had that damn thing..Mon nite goes under and I was the top point dog

[EaglesPhan36]

DSI is slow.

[rm18]

hurry DSi i want to go all in on Minny ML

[konck]

It helps to read the rules first....they stated if you beat the prick you win. The only time you dont win is when he goes 4-0 thats the nature of the game.

[DeluxeLiner]

I want to put money on the futures with my freeplay...i doubt we get paid today today

[onthewhat]

Same

This is unacceptable

SBR call up DSI and get this done

[hhsilver]

i realized this a couple of weeks back.

they dont get paid on the percentage they beat the prick by, their share is based on their whole unit size.

like lets say
group A goes 4-0 +5.00 units
group B goes 3-1 +3.00 units
prick goes 3-1 +2.90 units

group A wins 5/8 of the prize pool (who really BEAT the prick)
group B wins 3/8 of the prize pool (who actually TIED the prick)

when it should be based on the amount you beat the prick by.
so
group A's MOV is 2.1 units
group B's MOV is .1 units

group A's share is 2.1/2.2 or 95% of the prize pool
group B's share is .1/2.2 or 5%


the way they are currently grading the contest, they should also let anyone who goes 4-0 +5.05 win vs prick going 4-0 +5.00. and let the couple of posters who beat the prick's 4-0 +5.00 split the 5k.

I don't agree with your logic. To me, the way it is now makes more sense. +3 units get 3/5 of what +5 units gets. looks good to me. You want it so that 3 units get 1/19 of what 5 units gets. I realize this is frustrating for those who ended at 2.90 units and tied the prick, but I think taking the exact units into account adds to the fun. Had the lucky few who ended at 2.95 or 3.00 been cut down to almost $0, as you want, what they are getting would have been divided among the far greater number of 5 unit people. If you calculate it you'll see it isn;t a whole lot more than what they are getting now. The way it is now gave a relatively few more people a decent prize.

Last years way didn't take units into account , so the least you could beat the prick by was 1 pt and we had winners with negative points. This led to some strange results.

If prick got -5 then 3 pt people got 8/10 of what 5 pt people got .

If prick got +1 then 3 pt people got 1/2 of what 5 pt people got.

I think this year's way is better ---- 3 units is always worth 3/5 of 5 units whenever both beat the prick.

[SBR Lou]

Same This is unacceptable SBR call up DSI and get this done

The credits should be there today, will confirm when I'm told they are finished.

[DeluxeLiner]

The credits should be there today, will confirm when I'm told they are finished.

Huray! Thanks Lou!

[SBR Lou]

I am told all accounts have been credited.

[billmunny]

I am told all accounts have been credited.

Confirmed that mine is there. Thanks!

[EaglesPhan36]

Yeah. Paid & they even rounded up on my $0.88. Gracias.

[billyloco]

FKN LUV IT!!!!!!!! i BEEN IN REHAB AT THE HOUSE FOR 7 MOINTHS...THIS SURE BEATS TV!!

[losturmarbles]

I don't agree with your logic. To me, the way it is now makes more sense. +3 units get 3/5 of what +5 units gets. looks good to me. You want it so that 3 units get 1/19 of what 5 units gets. I realize this is frustrating for those who ended at 2.90 units and tied the prick, but I think taking the exact units into account adds to the fun. Had the lucky few who ended at 2.95 or 3.00 been cut down to almost $0, as you want, what they are getting would have been divided among the far greater number of 5 unit people. If you calculate it you'll see it isn;t a whole lot more than what they are getting now. The way it is now gave a relatively few more people a decent prize.

Last years way didn't take units into account , so the least you could beat the prick by was 1 pt and we had winners with negative points. This led to some strange results.

If prick got -5 then 3 pt people got 8/10 of what 5 pt people got .

If prick got +1 then 3 pt people got 1/2 of what 5 pt people got.

I think this year's way is better ---- 3 units is always worth 3/5 of 5 units whenever both beat the prick.

yeah but it's called beat the prick, not tie the prick and edge out a little juice to be including in almost half the prize pool.

if the prick is negative then the optimal way would be to divide the positive units like it is currently being done.

however if the prick is +units, then those who beat him, their share should be based on the margin of victory.

If prick got +1 then 3 pt people got 1/2 of what 5 pt people got.

currently no. 3 pt people get 3/5 (60%) of what 5 pt people get.

if graded correctly (by MOV) 3 pt people would get 1/2 of what 5 pt people get.

[hhsilver]

yeah but it's called beat the prick, not tie the prick and edge out a little juice to be including in almost half the prize pool.

if the prick is negative then the optimal way would be to divide the positive units like it is currently being done.

however if the prick is +units, then those who beat him, their share should be based on the margin of victory.

currently no. 3 pt people get 3/5 (60%) of what 5 pt people get.

if graded correctly (by MOV) 3 pt people would get 1/2 of what 5 pt people get.

Yes , and 3.00 units did beat the pricks 2.90 units. And the people who got 3 units got 3/5 of the units the 5 unit people got and, in my opinion, deserve 3/5 of the money the 5's get. It's only a diff of 1 win.

If the contest has juice involved, unlike previous years, it should mean something. Otherwise they shouldn't post odds, just lines, and go back to the way it used to be. I think the current way makes it more interesting and fun. I guess we can just disagree about this.

By the way, I am not involved this time. I finished below 0.

[losturmarbles]

Yes , and 3.00 units did beat the pricks 2.90 units. And the people who got 3 units got 3/5 of the units the 5 unit people got and, in my opinion, deserve 3/5 of the money the 5's get. It's only a diff of 1 win.

If the contest has juice involved, unlike previous years, it should mean something. Otherwise they shouldn't post odds, just lines, and go back to the way it used to be. I think the current way makes it more interesting and fun. I guess we can just disagree about this.

By the way, I am not involved this time. I finished below 0.

i don't have a huge issue with it like it is, but it unfairly allows people to use it as strategy in picking the lines. you would have to be a dummy to not play at least one game that has a + price. doing so increases your chances to win exponentially.

if they are going to allow those that clip the prick by a nickel juice to loot the prize pool from the true winners, then they should also allow the same winners when the prick goes 4-0 +5.00 units and a few people go 4-0 +5.05 units.

i've asked would these people get paid in the BTP announcement thread and it was never answered by SBR.

[losturmarbles]

http://forum.sbrforum.com/handicapping-contests/222691-beat-prick-2009-5-000-weekly-prize-pool.html

[hhsilver]

I read somewhere that the official rule has that exception. If the prick goes 4-0 , he gets it all and nobody collects. I didn't read the entire thread where you asked about that, but it was addressed - somewhere.

[pavyracer]

This mess can be avoided if dog ML's are allowed. The probability of people having the same units as The Prick will be reduced exponentially.

[SBR Lou]

I read somewhere that the official rule has that exception. If the prick goes 4-0 , he gets it all and nobody collects. I didn't read the entire thread where you asked about that, but it was addressed - somewhere.

Correct if the Prick goes 4-0 nobody gets paid that week. View official rules.

[SBR Lou]

Yes , and 3.00 units did beat the pricks 2.90 units. And the people who got 3 units got 3/5 of the units the 5 unit people got and, in my opinion, deserve 3/5 of the money the 5's get. It's only a diff of 1 win. If the contest has juice involved, unlike previous years, it should mean something. Otherwise they shouldn't post odds, just lines, and go back to the way it used to be. I think the current way makes it more interesting and fun. I guess we can just disagree about this. By the way, I am not involved this time. I finished below 0.

I appreciate all the feedback. One of the upsides of SBRpicks to me is the line-shopping. It's not a wise strategy to just settle for full juice when lines are dynamic and move here and there, I think that helps make the contest more modernized and with the times.

[capitalist pig]

I liked it better a few years ago when SBR sent you a check in mail. However, I still want to thank you for the $166 that hit my account today.

later

[blackbart]

"its free money so who cares, turn the money you win into a more money"

+
best response in the whole thread

[losturmarbles]

This mess can be avoided if dog ML's are allowed. The probability of people having the same units as The Prick will be reduced exponentially.

ideally the best way would be to allow all MLs and have say 10 units available to RISK each week that had to be divided by at least 4 bets. minimum bet 1 unit. so if you wanted to risk 1,1,1,7, or (10) 1 unit bets, it would be up to you.

the way it is now, if you pick a line that lets say is -125, then technically you are allowed to risk more units than someone who picks all -110. but the small advantage is offset with the way the payouts work with the nickel clip on juice winning a full share in the prize pool.

[stevek173]

The contest is great, the price is right, and wtf is wrong w playing for units?
Grow up suckers honestly, and enjoy it. That's what she said.

[soli]

I can't complain being that I can't beat the Prick

[KKoz9]

Maybe they should pay 4-0 guys only

I think the $20 payouts are dumb, guys bet 8 team parlays and blow it

Maybe SBR should make you the omnipotent arbiter of all posters to assess their worthiness of receiving prizes that they earned according to the rules posted. Then you could instruct them how to wager said funds.

I say leave the rules as they are...if someone takes a different line than the standard -110 then more power to them. The same options are available to everyone and it is fair. Changing midstream is what would be unfair to those who lost out on funds or won them thus far.

BTW, I was 3-1, +2.90, same as the Prick last week and received no prize.

[losturmarbles]

nobody was saying to change the rules. i like the dynamic lines.

it's just the way the payouts are calculated goes against the premise of the game. if the intent of the game is to beat the prick and you edge out the prick with the same record but got a cheaper price on one of your games, your share of the prize pool should either be equal to everyone who beat the prick or based how much you beat the prick by. it should NOT be based on your total overall units.

it defeats the purpose of trying to beat the prick. why not just have payouts divided by all that finish with + units then.
to arbitrarily give the group of nickel clippers who finished +2.95 60% of what a perfect 5.00 gets and give those who finished 2.90 0% makes no sense to me. they both essentially tied the prick.

why even base the payout on units if it's not going to be based on the margin of victory units. why not just give all those who beat the prick (nickel clippers included) equal payouts then?

am i really being that irrational here? seems like common sense to me.

and yeah i'm not advocating changing midstream, i'm just throwing it out there for future btp style contests.

i'm just surprised a forum of supposedly sharp bettors don't see the flaw in how the payouts are calculated.

btw i was 0-4 -5.00 this past week like that has anything to do with anything.