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  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #36
    Just some thoughts, trying to grasp where the industry is coming from and heading to.

    The higher withdrawal fees are obviously a way to discourage (smaller) players from cashing out. At a time when it is much harder to get money into books, and many players want to cash out because of the uncertainty in the industry, this little survival mechanism could help a book more than we may realize. It's all about liquidity. There is no point for any of us to play at a book if that book doesn't have money.

    Much of the industry is in survival mode. A time to reevaluate. Lack of flexibility can be deadly now. Cascade stuck with its 105 juice (without Pinny!) and now apparently can't pay their players. (Cascade seems to have a big problem. They can't really move away from 105, because that's the only reason people play there, but as long as they stay at 105 they're going to get hammered.)

    There are better ways for books to maintain liquidity than increasing fees. Personally, I like the idea of paying bettors an annual interest on their balance. Guardian offers 10% interest. They give back 10%, but in doing so practically guarantee liquidity. That's a long term strategy, and a far cry from the short term policies that books like CRIS revert to now.

    Overall, I'm quite disappointed by the way books have dealt with the transition over the past months. In spite of all the rumors, there never was a 'plan B'?!
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    • Jamie_UK
      SBR MVP
      • 01-12-07
      • 1103

      #37
      Overall, I'm quite disappointed by the way books have dealt with the transition over the past months. In spite of all the rumors, there never was a 'plan B'?!
      There always was a plan B, unfortunately for the American market (who are just one part of the market) Plan B does not apply to you.

      Its obvious to see that Cris is courting the non US market, they have shifted your action to bookmaker.com and are putting up 101% over round books on football (soccer) Asian handicap markets .

      Just live with it, Cris has moved away from the US market, they have shifted US accounts as undesirables.

      For all you whinnying players, Cris did not ask you to elect a government that phucked you over , they are not a slow pay book, not for the majority of us anyway
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      • Dark Horse
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-14-05
        • 13764

        #38
        Originally posted by Jamie_UK
        For all you whinnying players, Cris did not ask you to elect a government that phucked you over , they are not a slow pay book, not for the majority of us anyway
        Do you see any supporters here for this government?

        What you just said is pretty close to accusing the German opposition of electing Hitler.
        We have to live with this every day. To you it's just a side show.

        So f*ck you too, as*hole.

        What is your point in being here, anyway? Just to jeer from the sideline and toast to yourself while we're trying to navigate a minefield?
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        • Jamie_UK
          SBR MVP
          • 01-12-07
          • 1103

          #39
          Do you see any supporters here for this government?
          everyone here voted democrat, lol, you only have yourselves to blame .
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          • Dark Horse
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 12-14-05
            • 13764

            #40
            Fine.

            Enjoy your life of drunken ignorance.
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            • Jamie_UK
              SBR MVP
              • 01-12-07
              • 1103

              #41
              Originally posted by Dark Horse
              Fine.

              Enjoy your life of drunken ignorance.
              Yeah, K, should I post my bet with pinny? betfair? wilhill? laddies? mansion? daq? coral? ...............................

              what do you think is the best Dark Horse......ahhhhh, except you cant advise
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              • goldengoat
                SBR MVP
                • 11-25-05
                • 3239

                #42
                Originally posted by Jamie_UK
                everyone here voted democrat, lol, you only have yourselves to blame .
                you're a dumbass

                go away

                it's debatable whether bush won either election as there is a high possibility of voter fraud (i believe there was)

                the usa is run by big corporations and crooked politicians at the present

                don't laugh cause the UK is not far behind
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                • Dark Horse
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 12-14-05
                  • 13764

                  #43
                  When others are having a hard time you have a choice, Jamie UK.

                  1) You do nothing
                  2) You try to help out
                  3) You laugh and take pleasure from their situation.

                  Your choice makes absolutely no difference to me. All it does is reflect your character.

                  Since the latter is something you have to live with every day, I believe it is safe to say that the joke is entirely on you. But that's just my limited vision.

                  Enjoy.
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                  • Jamie_UK
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-12-07
                    • 1103

                    #44
                    1) You do nothing
                    2) You try to help out
                    3) You laugh and take pleasure from their situation.
                    4) You recognize that people who vote for Bush get what they deserve.
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                    • Dark Horse
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 12-14-05
                      • 13764

                      #45
                      Do you mind if we go back to CRIS now, and identify some of the problems in the industry, or would you like to celebrate a little bit more?
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                      • Jamie_UK
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-12-07
                        • 1103

                        #46
                        Originally posted by Dark Horse
                        Do you mind if we go back to CRIS now, and identify some of the problems in the industry, or would you like to celebrate a little bit more?
                        I'd like to celebrate some more.

                        But what problems with Cris? the fact they do 1.98 asian handicap lines? or the fact they do 10 min moneybooker withdrawals?
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                        • austintx05
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-24-06
                          • 3156

                          #47
                          jamie uk doesnt bet real money
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                          • Jamie_UK
                            SBR MVP
                            • 01-12-07
                            • 1103

                            #48
                            Originally posted by austintx05
                            jamie uk doesnt bet real money

                            lol Frisco (is that a cooking oil?)

                            I always bet at the max limit they will allow, its the best way to get betpoints ya know!!!
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                            • austintx05
                              SBR MVP
                              • 08-24-06
                              • 3156

                              #49
                              Originally posted by Jamie_UK
                              lol Frisco (is that a cooking oil?)

                              I always bet at the max limit they will allow, its the best way to get betpoints ya know!!!

                              its actually a suburb, but I am suprised you didn't know that.

                              The mere fact that you claim to bet at the max limit tells me you don't. Its the ones who do that do not need to showcase it.
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                              • Jamie_UK
                                SBR MVP
                                • 01-12-07
                                • 1103

                                #50
                                Originally posted by austintx05
                                its actually a suburb, but I am suprised you didn't know that.

                                The mere fact that you claim to bet at the max limit tells me you don't. Its the ones who do that do not need to showcase it.
                                Dude! (is this frisco style?) I bet at limits, but I am a dirty arber so it dont count mate
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                                • Yoshi
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 08-29-06
                                  • 548

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by Jamie_UK
                                  Dude! (is this frisco style?) I bet at limits, but I am a dirty arber so it dont count mate
                                  Yeah iam sure you come straight from arbforum.uk, i go there for laughs sometimes
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                                  • ShamsWoof10
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 11-15-06
                                    • 4827

                                    #52
                                    There are a lot of good and interesting points here... From reading all the posts I would have to say there is some validity to cris moving away from the amercian market.. BetFair taking a million and more on soccer games is amazing and that is one trade on one sport.... Football is big in the US and a lot of money is bet but even tough there may be more volume I have never heard of amounts anywhere near a million.. Vegas asks for ID for 5 or 10K and I don't know of an offshore that will take a million on an NFL game unless BetFair does... I say cris is moving away from the us and they are also trying to keep liquidity in the books US or non US...

                                    BTW Bush barely won the first time and that was rigged... There were LINES upon LINES of people voting in 04' and NOT FOR BUSH... If you don't think this past election was fixed then you don't think..

                                    Good points guys it is really helping my understanding of what books are what... Never ilked cris anyway unless playing middles since they move their numbers so much.... Keep the good info. coming and stop attacking yourselves...
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                                    • capitalist pig
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-25-07
                                      • 4998

                                      #53
                                      Well, this thread has gone to Hell, I thought it was about $60 fees. But on a bright note I did get a tracking # today.

                                      later
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                                      • ShamsWoof10
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-15-06
                                        • 4827

                                        #54
                                        I am glad to hear that... This is good news..
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                                        • austintx05
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 08-24-06
                                          • 3156

                                          #55
                                          I don't understand why everyone think that CRIS is a bad book? Is it just because of the fees?
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                                          • pags11
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 08-18-05
                                            • 12264

                                            #56
                                            a lot of bad CS austin...its their downfall right now...
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                                            • imgv94
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 11-16-05
                                              • 17192

                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by Jamie_UK
                                              4) You recognize that people who vote for Bush get what they deserve.
                                              I didn't vote for Bush.. Neither did most people in 2000 either.
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                                              • austintx05
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 08-24-06
                                                • 3156

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by pags11
                                                a lot of bad CS austin...its their downfall right now...

                                                So who is ther upgrade from CRIS? Only other book I could think of is OLympic that would take that kind of action and actually pay.
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                                                • RickySteve
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 01-31-06
                                                  • 3415

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                                  Do you see any supporters here for this government?
                                                  I'll bet a big number that the majority of this board voted for Bush at least once.
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                                                  • imgv94
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 11-16-05
                                                    • 17192

                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by RickySteve
                                                    I'll bet a big number that the majority of this board voted for Bush at least once.
                                                    YEAH

                                                    You're probably right.
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                                                    • capitalist pig
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 01-25-07
                                                      • 4998

                                                      #61
                                                      For the record I voted for Bush twice, not proud of where its gotten the USA. However,with my son having served in Iraq (US Army) for 2 tours, I felt at the time I made the right choice.

                                                      later
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                                                      • capitalist pig
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 01-25-07
                                                        • 4998

                                                        #62
                                                        I never had any bad experiences with cris, I just didnt like them switching names in the USA. I pulled 75% of my $ out when it switched to bookmaker, probably not a well thought out move.

                                                        later
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                                                        • ShamsWoof10
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 11-15-06
                                                          • 4827

                                                          #63
                                                          I agree with the Cris bashing, for the moment anyway, because whether it happened to you or not an A book liying and holding money should be bashed... Holding money and liying as some have reported (I DON"T CARE WHAT THE REASON) is not right... Liquidity and the US market are NO EXCUSE!!! I'm not saying they are a bad book I am just saying the bashing is valid... The ratings on here for the most part are ok but they are not all right that's for sure... Hey Bill has to pay the bills too I guess...

                                                          As far as the election.. IT WAS RIGGED!!! god damn people how obvious does it have to be..? I don't care if the whole f*ckin' country voted Kerry... Bush would have won... Also don't be foolish in thinking Kerry would have done it differantly because they both don't call the shots... I am sorry to hear that your son (CapPig) was in IRAQ.... No offense but I do not support the military in anyway shape or form... The military GLOBALLY is a joke... The idea that it's to defend a country, US or any other, is absolutely absurd...
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                                                          • capitalist pig
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-25-07
                                                            • 4998

                                                            #64
                                                            Got my check today, it wasnt really that bad of a wait. I requested funds on the 2-27, and today is 3-7. Seven business days. Thanks cris!

                                                            Later
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                                                            • goldengoat
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 11-25-05
                                                              • 3239

                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by capitalist pig
                                                              For the record I voted for Bush twice, not proud of where its gotten the USA. However,with my son having served in Iraq (US Army) for 2 tours, I felt at the time I made the right choice.

                                                              later
                                                              i'm glad your son made it back OK but he could have easily been killed, and for what????

                                                              i'm thinking you might reconsider had something bad happened

                                                              I support the troops but not the jackasses using them as pawns

                                                              I don't now how your son serving translates into making the right choice in the election

                                                              I can see being proud of your son but I would like to hear why your son serving means voting for bush was the correct choice
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                                                              • capitalist pig
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 01-25-07
                                                                • 4998

                                                                #66
                                                                goldengoat, I voted for Bush the 2nd time because I honestly thought the US was doing the right thing. Its not the 1st time I was wrong and Im sure it wont be the last time.

                                                                I just felt Bush would do the best job of looking out for the troops in Iraq. I know this sounds far fetched but the majority of troops over there(according to my kid) all support Bush.

                                                                later
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                                                                • Ganchrow
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 08-28-05
                                                                  • 5011

                                                                  #67
                                                                  Originally posted by vanzack
                                                                  Betcris and other books are trying to discourage people from moving money around on whims. It costs Betcris 80% of their money processor costs for 20% of the betting population, and most of the time that 20% is betting 20 bucks a game.

                                                                  They dont care if this guy gets pissed and leaves. The guy who is betting reasonable amounts and doesnt deposit and withdraw every other day is the guy they want - and that guy doesnt care that there is a $60 withdrawal fee. They care that they get their money and that its safe, and they know that at Cris.
                                                                  If it were indeed true that CRIS had instituted this policy to discourage small bettors and encourage larger bettors, why would it be the case that:

                                                                  1) CRIS is generally not allowing "large" bettors to take advantage of the 2.500 betpoints withdrawal option?
                                                                  1) CRIS is capping betpoint withdrawals at $2,500 and bank draft withdrawals at $4,900.
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                                                                  • Wassymac
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                                                                    • 02-22-06
                                                                    • 1090

                                                                    #68
                                                                    Originally posted by Ganchrow
                                                                    If it were indeed true that CRIS had instituted this policy to discourage small bettors and encourage larger bettors, why would it be the case that:

                                                                    1) CRIS is capping withdrawals at $2,500, and
                                                                    2) CRIS is generally not allowing "large" bettors to take advantage of the 2.500 betpoints withdrawal option?
                                                                    When did Cris start capping W/D's at $2500?
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                                                                    • Ganchrow
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                                                                      • 08-28-05
                                                                      • 5011

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by Wassymac
                                                                      When did Cris start capping W/D's at $2500?
                                                                      I'm sorry. I miswrote.

                                                                      They're capping check withdrawals at $4,900 and capping "free" 2,500 betpoint withdrawals at $2,5000.

                                                                      Original post corrected.
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                                                                      • Wassymac
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 02-22-06
                                                                        • 1090

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Originally posted by Ganchrow
                                                                        I'm sorry. I miswrote.

                                                                        They're capping check withdrawals at $4,900 and capping "free" 2,500 betpoint withdrawals at $2,5000.

                                                                        Original post corrected.
                                                                        No worries. Thanks for the info. Guess I didn't pay attention but now I do see the $4900 cap on a check W/D. Kind of a bummer if you're ready to clear out an account after a gambling season since they urge you to limit W/Ds to one every 7 days.
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