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  • RandyMarsh
    SBR Rookie
    • 11-02-05
    • 4

    #1
    MAC Games Fixed?
    Sorry if this has been discussed here but I thought some of you who got screwed by Toledo on the both the side and total last night might find this interesting.

    BOOKMAKERS HANG DARK CLOUD OVER MAC GAMES, ESPECIALLY TOLEDO…

    While bookmakers have no evidence of wrong doing they are still focusing a tremendous amount of attention to what they say are strange betting patterns in the Mid-American Conference, especially those involving Toledo.
    Bookmakers say there has been a tremendous amount of line manipulation in the MAC this season and they point to two Saturday games as examples of that. Toledo opened a -10 road favorite at Central Michigan and has been bet down to -7½. In a second game they are watching, Western Michigan opened a -4 home favorite over Kent State and has been bet out to -7.
    Pointspread shifts such as this are not uncommon but bookmakers say it is happening too often on MAC games and they have the evidence to prove it, as they have been hit hard by “middle” bettors. For those not familiar with the term, a “middle” bettor is one who bets both sides in the same game, laying different prices and then hoping the game falls between that which he gave and that which he took. When that happens he collects both bets.
    For instance, if the Toledo-Central Michigan final score falls on an 8 or 9-point difference middle bettors will win on both sides. If the Kent State-Western Michigan falls on a 5 or a 6, they will also collect both bets.
    Bookmakers have already been stung twice this season with Toledo—first in the Rockets game at Temple on September 17 and again on their game at Ball State two weeks ago.
    In the Temple game, Toledo opened a 30-point favorite and was bet down to -24½. The final score was 42-17, which meant the Rockets won by 25 and the game fell in the middle. This game costs bookmakers tens of thousands of dollars.
    In the Ball State game, Toledo opened -19½ and was bet out to -23½. The Rockets won that on by 20 points, 34-14, again putting the game in the middle and cost bookmakers another small fortune.

    ODDS AGAINST SAME TEAM PRODUCING MULTIPLE
    MIDDLES ASTRONOMICAL…
    Bookmakers say the odds of one team producing two middle winners during a single season are astronomical and the heavy two-way action on both games was traced to a small group of individuals, all of whom knew one another.
    "We may look stupid, but we're not," said one bookmaker from Antigua, "And we will get to the bottom of this."
    The mechanics of middle betting tell the entire story, since a middle gives a player 20-1 for his money in a world where most bets return even money on a winning wager. Here is how the middle works, using the Temple-Toledo game as an example.
    Bettors would take Temple +30 and then bet in a manner that gave the appearance of continued action on the underdog. When they felt their actions had driven the number as far as it would go, they would step in and bet Toledo -24 ½.
    The math is simple: If a person bet $110,000 to win $100,000 on Temple +30 and then made a similar bet on Toledo -24 ½, he is risking just $10,000 to win $200,000 because it is impossible to lose both bets. If the game falls in the middle of the +30 and the -24 ½, he collects $200,000, or gets 20-1 for his money.
    Bookmakers have their own crew of investigators studying every aspect of any game with a suspicious betting pattern; from who officiated the games to how touchdowns were scored and if there were bogus penalties or turnovers at key points of the game.
  • bigboydan
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-10-05
    • 55420

    #2
    last nights toledo/ohio game looked a little strange there at the end too. they had a chance to kick the field goal with 1 minute left and, went for it instead. i guess i can see the logic pinning ohio on there own 2 yard line. but, i myself questioned that call.
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    • JoshW
      SBR MVP
      • 08-10-05
      • 3431

      #3

      Bookmakers say the odds of one team producing two middle winners during a single season are astronomical and the heavy two-way action on both games was traced to a small group of individuals, all of whom knew one another.
      "We may look stupid, but we're not," said one bookmaker from Antigua, "And we will get to the bottom of this."
      Are you kidding me, no way that is a real quote from a bookmaker or else he is just an idiot. The odds of it happening are certainly not astronomical whatever that means.

      Whole thing was written by someone with a creative mind, but certainly isn't based in the factual world or written by a journalist. Would guess is just post some guy made up who lost on the game. Where did you copy it from RandyMarsh?

      Almost fell out of my chair laughing.
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      • RandyMarsh
        SBR Rookie
        • 11-02-05
        • 4

        #4
        Yeah I think you are right Lakerfan. Just thought it was an interesting read especially after watching the end of last night's game. Toledo intercepted the ball on Ohios 7 yard line with 4 minutes left, committed a 15 yard penalty. They ran the ball successfully and got to 4th and goal from the 3, went for it and the back dove down at the 1. The whole thing was probably created by a paranoid bettor who lost a bundle but interesting nonetheless.
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        • Aces
          SBR MVP
          • 09-22-05
          • 1278

          #5
          I question the call but im sure glad they did go for it and miss it. Whew that was a close one for me.
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          • pags11
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 08-18-05
            • 12264

            #6
            same here aces...I had Ohio +11...if you watch the Toledo coach, he always goes for it...
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            • bigboydan
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-10-05
              • 55420

              #7
              you both got extremely luck in the last minute of that game.
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              • AK
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 08-10-05
                • 814

                #8
                Bookmakers say the odds of one team producing two middle winners during a single season are astronomical and the heavy two-way action on both games was traced to a small group of individuals, all of whom knew one another.
                I hit the second middle.
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                • moses millsap
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 08-25-05
                  • 8289

                  #9
                  Lots of people hit the middle on the total last night, lol
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                  • why
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 447

                    #10
                    all I will say is , "that Miami/BG game was very sketchy".
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                    • rm18
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 09-20-05
                      • 22291

                      #11
                      I would be surprised if Toledo does not win by between 7 and 11 points tonight
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                      • BuddyBear
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 7233

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rm18
                        I would be surprised if Toledo does not win by between 7 and 11 points tonight

                        This is ridiculous...if it hits 3rd time in one season you know something must be up.

                        I am on the under tonight but I am with you see if you can find a margin of victory prop!
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                        • picantel
                          SBR MVP
                          • 09-17-05
                          • 4338

                          #13
                          I bet toledo(-8) this morning. A few minutes before gametime it was toledo(-11). that is an awfully big swing over a 12 hour period. more middle opportunities.
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                          • rm18
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 09-20-05
                            • 22291

                            #14
                            Originally posted by rm18
                            I would be surprised if Toledo does not win by between 7 and 11 points tonight
                            Well that didn't happen, I guess the fixers were trying to be a little slicker and hit a middle on the total tonight.
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                            • picantel
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-17-05
                              • 4338

                              #15
                              bah I did not get the 52. I had 51.5 under. bah
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                              • Relentless
                                SBR High Roller
                                • 08-23-05
                                • 176

                                #16
                                I can tell you in the bowl game last year between Toledo and UConn, a well respected poster had key information before hand that the Toledo QB was much more seriously injured than was let on. The Toledo QB started the game and was horribly ineffiecient and UConn buried Toledo as around a 4ptdog.
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                                • onlooker
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 08-10-05
                                  • 36572

                                  #17
                                  Your not talking about ACE ACE are you Relentless? Because that info he posted was known before the start of that game. Cant remember if it was that game or not.
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                                  • Relentless
                                    SBR High Roller
                                    • 08-23-05
                                    • 176

                                    #18
                                    Yes I am. OK, I didn't think it was well known that that QB could barely throw. I was just looking over there tonight and he said something fishy may be up with tonights Toledo basketball game. And he seemed to be right again. I haven't followed these things very closely, but he seems to think there is something a little off.
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                                    • pags11
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-18-05
                                      • 12264

                                      #19
                                      the only thing fixes about tonights game was how secret NIU kept RB Wolfe's health status...the guy is a difference maker and keyed their victory tonight...
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                                      • bigboydan
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 08-10-05
                                        • 55420

                                        #20
                                        last weeks central michigan/western michigan game looked a little odd to me too. did anyone seen the end of that game. they snapped the ball over the guys head and screwed the bettors who bet western michigan that day.

                                        what about the other night with miami ohio. i know it didn't really matter much, but i just found it to be odd there to have 3 safetys in a game
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                                        • BuddyBear
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 7233

                                          #21
                                          I don't think it ever hit 52...please don't tell me it did

                                          Weird to see two MAC favorites by DD get blown out at home. This is shaping up to be a wild weekend fellows.
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                                          • rm18
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 09-20-05
                                            • 22291

                                            #22
                                            it hit 52.5 BB
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                                            • bigboydan
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 08-10-05
                                              • 55420

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by rm18
                                              it hit 52.5 BB
                                              he told you not to tell him that rm
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                                              • moses millsap
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 08-25-05
                                                • 8289

                                                #24
                                                Is the fix in for the Toledo/BG matchup tonight?
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                                                • Shawn01
                                                  SBR Sharp
                                                  • 10-23-05
                                                  • 252

                                                  #25
                                                  Weather here is cold and breezy. Last night the forecast for the game was 22 degrees and snow. No snow yet but the temps are dropping.
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                                                  • pags11
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 08-18-05
                                                    • 12264

                                                    #26
                                                    Toledo gets the cover tonight...thought their coach was going to butcher this one again...
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